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What he sai was very right. No blasphemy here. This looks like a rented mullah and there is a political reason for such an incendiary statement. And what better weapon to incite and sustain violence than religion to arouse sentiment?
 
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Bareilwi Mullahs (who are derogatorily called 'Ahl-i-Bidat' and Ahle-i-Shirk') should take it easy. What if some one issues a fatwa that those celebrating 'Milad' or dancing on 'Urs' are wajib-ul-qatal?
 
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Bareilwi Mullahs (who are derogatorily called 'Ahl-i-Bidat' and Ahle-i-Shirk') should take it easy. What if some one issues a fatwa that those celebrating 'Milad' or dancing on 'Urs' are wajib-ul-qatal?

Ahle barood already does that.. who was behind attack on shrines? Barelwis? who killied 60000 Pakistanis? Barelwi?

Your kind should not open their mouth when talking about Takfir, bcoz your kind is worst in this matter..
 
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if we allow every scholar to declare Kafir, Mushrik, there will be total mess.. we saw result of this in 80's when shia were opposed to Zakat laws and wahabis were chanting shia kafir.
So instead of trying to find common grounds you all should just voluntarily separate? Meanwhile the problems are allowed to fester. I see that's working for Western governments.
 
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Excuse me . You're just portraying my image as a hypocrite to satisfy your anger on the blasphemy law in our country .

As much as my kind are supporters of punishments on gustakh Rasool , we're also equal supporters of minority rights .

And the Punishment should not be death , I dont support it but can be any other form which rulers thinks best .
Leave him be, he doesnt know that minority rights is a concept introduced by islam and even today minorities are better protected in.muslim countries than in western ones, only 20 yra a go in Us the klu klux was burning crosses on porches,lol, the only knowledge they have comes from hollywood, they never bother to open a book and their iq is nill they just act western cause they think its cool and helps them to hide that deep seated inferiority complex, they are like that pathetic guy at school that wants to be part of a cool group and wanders after them like a dog with his tounge out, they have no idea what their dear secular westerns have and are doing to this world, what they did and are doing in africa, what they did to native redindians, u shouldnt argue with a man whose brains has chains on it, every right known to man has been given by islam, these leaches dont knw that many european nations accept that they follow the model of govt of umar(ra), they dont know that benjamin franklin was a persistent reader of quran and didnt convert only because of social and family pressure, they dont know that napoleon turned muslim after his egyptian campaign and wanted to establish a system of govt based of islamic caliphate in france..
 
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Leave him be, he doesnt know that minority rights is a concept introduced by islam and even today minorities are better protected in.muslim countries than in western ones, only 20 yra a go in Us the klu klux was burning crosses on porches,lol, the only knowledge they have comes from hollywood, they never bother to open a book and their iq is nill they just act western cause they think its cool and helps them to hide that deep seated inferiority complex, they are like that pathetic guy at school that wants to be part of a cool group and wanders after them like a dog with his tounge out, they have no idea what their dear secular westerns have and are doing to this world, what they did and are doing in africa, what they did to native redindians, u shouldnt argue with a man whose brains has chains on it, every right known to man has been given by islam, these leaches dont knw that many european nations accept that they follow the model of govt of umar(ra), they dont know that benjamin franklin was a persistent reader of quran and didnt convert only because of social and family pressure, they dont know that napoleon turned muslim after his egyptian campaign and wanted to establish a system of govt based of islamic caliphate in france..

Indeed , islam is the first great take carer of all humans , be it minorities etc .

Seculars like him are impressed from West . But they forget that 'har chamakti cheez sona nahi hoti ' .

Allah mere is bhai ko hidayah de .
 
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Indeed , islam is the first great take carer of all humans , be it minorities etc .
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There are other religions far older than Islam who give great emphasis on well being and taking care of humans as well as animals. Basically all life.
 
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There are other religions far older than Islam who give great emphasis on well being and taking care of humans as well as animals. Basically all life.

well we muslims claim that Islam's birth is as old as the birth of first human being Adam(Peace be Upon Him) ever walked on the earth
 
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well we muslims claim that Islam's birth is as old as the birth of first human being Adam(Peace be Upon Him) ever walked on the earth
Its a claim. Not a fact. There is a difference between the two.

Fact would be when Mohammad came and started preaching Islam.
 
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it is a fact ..and i know the facts about my religion ... Adam (Peace Be upon Him ) is considered 1st prophet in our religion
 
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Fundamental problem: the state doesn't have any religious credibility.
Solution: Caliphate
Roadblock: Many people in the country are averse to basic religious observation even.
Problem: Diminishing fire of faith (Iman)
Practical Solution: Tableeghi efforts to work on the Iman and A'amal of people. Once the light of faith illuminates hearts, the problems will simply go away.
 
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Indeed , islam is the first great take carer of all humans , be it minorities etc .

Seculars like him are impressed from West . But they forget that 'har chamakti cheez sona nahi hoti ' .

Allah mere is bhai ko hidayah de .
Ameen..

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There are other religions far older than Islam who give great emphasis on well being and taking care of humans as well as animals. Basically all life.
And would you be kind enough to mention a few of them, hinduism maybe??, where one group of people are automatically born inferior and a woman has to die with her husband??, someother great religion u have in mind??, like christianity for example which burned witches at the stake and believed god doesnt love the blacks,lol, islam is the first religion which is complete code of life, nonothr religion offers such complexity..
 
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Fundamental problem: the state doesn't have any religious credibility.
Solution: Caliphate
Roadblock: Many people in the country are averse to basic religious observation even.
Problem: Diminishing fire of faith (Iman)
Practical Solution: Tableeghi efforts to work on the Iman and A'amal of people. Once the light of faith illuminates hearts, the problems will simply go away.

caliphate is not a a solution in this complex and unjust environment and the caliphate will be back but as we muslims know that imam Mahdi will bring it back... soo we have to look for localize solutions at present

tableeghi efforts r not enough and tableeghis themselves are not good when it comes to practicing basics of islam & moreover why do we let mullahs and tableeghis hijack our religion...no way....

we need to educate people and should be made part of our curriculum ...
1. to understand the Quran better we must ensure that Arabic should become part of our curriculum
2. Quran and Hadeeths should be taught as subjects and replace Islamiyat in school education
3. scientific, historical, social facts that are described in Quran & Hadeeths should be added in their respective subjects
4. ethics of Islam should be taught as a subject too that should start from primary level..
5. Friday sermons should be state controlled
6. Imams should be educated --- minimum level graduates in Islamic Studies and Arabic also should cover ICT, Science & Nature, astronomy, & ethics

anymore suggestions??
 
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Ameen..


And would you be kind enough to mention a few of them, hinduism maybe??, where one group of people are automatically born inferior and a woman has to die with her husband??, someother great religion u have in mind??, like christianity for example which burned witches at the stake and believed god doesnt love the blacks,lol, islam is the first religion which is complete code of life, nonothr religion offers such complexity..
Perhaps like Islam where a woman's testimony is considered lower than that of a man's. Perhaps like Islam where a non-Muslims testimony is lower in value than a Muslims ? Or perhaps Islam where men can marry multiple women but women cannot marry multiple men? Or perhaps like the great religion of Islam where a woman needs 4 male witnesses to prove rape.

In any case, the religion that predates Islam and that I am talking about is Hinduism. Where life of an animal is no less than a Human's. The born superior and inferior thing is a bad mutation of our great religion. Burning of woman has nothing to do with our religion either. It is a social custom spawned out of invasions.

You can continue to believe that Islam is the first religion that offers a complete way of life. Just as you can believe that the first humans were born on mars. There is no limitation against having wrong belief's. There is a limitation against facts.

I have no objections against however good you believe Islam to be. Good for you. The problem is with the wrong fact someone claimed - that it is NOT the first to offer dignity of life to minorities and everyone. There are other's that predate Islam and offer the same if not better.
 
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caliphate is not a a solution in this complex and unjust environment and the caliphate will be back but as we muslims know that imam Mahdi will bring it back... soo we have to look for localize solutions at present

tableeghi efforts r not enough and tableeghis themselves are not good when it comes to practicing basics of islam & moreover why do we let mullahs and tableeghis hijack our religion...no way....

we need to educate people and should be made part of our curriculum ...
1. to understand the Quran better we must ensure that Arabic should become part of our curriculum
2. Quran and Hadeeths should be taught as subjects and replace Islamiyat in school education
3. scientific, historical, social facts that are described in Quran & Hadeeths should be added in their respective subjects
4. ethics of Islam should be taught as a subject too that should start from primary level..
5. Friday sermons should be state controlled
6. Imams should be educated --- minimum level graduates in Islamic Studies and Arabic also should cover ICT, Science & Nature, astronomy, & ethics

anymore suggestions??

Caliphate is the solution provide by Quran and Sunnah. Or, at least a state under an Ameer-ul-Momineen. Since Islam has been given for practice till Day of Judgement, you can't say "caliphate is not a solution in this complex and unjust environment". Caliphate WILL be back, but it is our job also to do everything in our power to establish the state in the same pattern as Holy Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Aalihi Wasallam. But for that you need a critical mass of Muslims. What recent years have shown (Afghanistan, Syria) is that a Caliphate imposed upon people will simply not work. And many years before that, our Ulema already realized that.

Before Hazrat Maulana Ilyas Rahimahullah started the work of Tableegh, he spent a considerable amount of time in a state of extreme distress and restlessness at the state of the Muslim Ummah. It is reported that at night he would keep awake and his wife questioned this. His reply, 'If only you had the same pain that I have in my heart, there would be two people staying awake'. After pondering the situation of the Muslims at length, the conclusion he reached was that we are as a large group missing a very critical teaching of Quran and Sunnah: Amr bil Ma'aroof wa Nahi 'Anil Munkar.

The Tableeghi work is an attempt to rekindle the observance of this huge Command of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'aala. If you read 'Fazail-e-Tableegh' you will find many verses and ahadith that show how we will become backward if we leave this. But since we are ourselves extremely weak, instead of teaching people to go out and start commanding others to do something and stop from something, the work is oriented towards commanding one's ownself to do good and stopping one's own self from evil through immersing oneself in an environment where it is easy to do this. And give verbal invitations to others towards this auspicious work, discuss them softly, gently, and at the same time seek help from Allah the Almighty.

And the basic fuel that powers the engines of good deeds and the shields from bad deed is Iman. The key observation is that something becomes established in the heart if you keep looking at it, keep hearing about it, keep talking about it, and keep thinking about it. And so in the work of Tableegh you are provided an environment where Iman is discussed. You see, hear, speak, and think about Allah and His Greatness.

Once Iman gets strong, all other religious matters are easy to achieve.

Tableeghis because of human weaknesses and limitations may have many problems as humans. But you can't say that the theory and the actual practice of Tableegh is flawed.
 
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