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Korea threaten to strike Kim Jong Eun's palace if Seoul is attacked

I thought the almighty ROK army doesn't need US's help.
Remember who commands whose US troops. Do you think the ROK command is going to leave those US troops behind when they are under their command?

if the War starts missles will fly not only over Seoul, but Tokyo as well, I don't think US is that crazy, otherwise it would've taken the action before NK's nuclear development.
North Korea missiles capable of reaching Japan and Guam cannot just launch from nowhere like short-range ballistic missiles; they must be erected, fueled, and prepared for hours if not days. Guess what the ROK military would do to those launch sites in the open hours of war? Yup, missiles away!

Even with peaceful unification, it will drag down SK's economy and it will take a long long time to recover.
Goldman Sachs posted an extremely rosy analysis for the future of United Korea in 2050.

Goldman Sachs: Unified Korea could have larger economy than France, Germany or Japan by 2050

See the Germany example
German example doesn't apply because they are going for a SAR model.
 
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If South Korea attacks North Korea, all we have to do is cut off South Korea's oil and food with our nuke subs and they'll be signing a peace treaty within months. Or, the alternative is the South's population will rise up against their unstable military regime as food and oil prices skyrocket. Any attack on our nuke subs will be regarded as an attack on the sovereign territory of China and will be met with strategic force.

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If South Korea attacks North Korea, all we have to do is cut off South Korea's oil and food with our nuke subs and they'll be signing a peace treaty within months.
It won't last a month. Beside, Chinese nuclear subs are so noisy they can't leave the Bohai Bay.

http://www.agile-news.com/news-1170...marines-can-only-activities-in-Bohai-Bay.html

Photo: Han and said that 094 Chinese nuclear submarines can only activities in Bohai Bay
Published: 10:01:08 March 29,2012 Views: 7 Chinese Version

Liu Kun, reporter of the World Wide Web reports: a << Han and defense review >> magazine (April 2012) China's 094 nuclear submarines to be concerned about the original title, 'look at the JL-2 nuclear missiles from 094 strategic nuclear submarine design.

Han and the article said, the United States and Europe naval scholars, technical experts talk about the 094 nuclear submarine design features and noise, even without considering the greater noise of the reactor 094 is still a nuclear submarine in the Bohai Bay, once they left the coast, it is easy to be in Europe and America modern anti-submarine detection system to detect.
 
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Even with peaceful unification, it will drag down SK's economy and it will take a long long time to recover. See the Germany example, not to mention NK is much poorer than east Germany and SK is not as advanced as West Germany. That's the reason most South Koreans want the unification emotionally but don't like the idea from economic perspective. Even US/China can magically dismantle NK's army and hand the country to South Korea, South Korea will think twice whether to accept it.

The Economic Costs of Korean Reunification - SPICE

Nevertheless, despite such tense relations, the desire for reunification that is rooted in a sense of common ethnicity, cultural experience, and historical justice remains strong. In South Korea, public survey results commonly indicate that the majority of citizens support the idea of unity. For example, in a recent January 2011 survey by the Korean Broadcasting System (KBS), 71.6% of respondents favored reunification of the two Koreas.[iii] In addition, in the same survey, nearly 70% of respondents indicated that they were willing to pay the costs of reunification, while 26.6% said they would not.[iv] The survey did not specify the level or manner of costs of reunification. The general idea of financially supporting reunification may be acceptable, but when it comes down to actually taking money out of one&#8217;s pocket or paying taxes, individual responses may change.

While the majority of South Koreans seem to favor reunification, there is growing ambivalence about the timing and nature of reunification. Nearly half of the respondents in the KBS survey envisioned a relatively gradual process of unity, with 24.6% indicating that it could happen within 10 years and 24% citing a time frame of 20 years.[v] This protracted time frame recognizes that there are very complex and difficult issues involved in reunification. There are the seemingly intractable political differences and mistrust between the two Koreas, some of which are embedded in ideological conflicts. In addition, the North Korean nuclear weapons issue over the past two decades has only made reunification even more difficult to achieve. Finally, the social cleavages stemming from division and war and the generation shift to a younger generation that grew up in a divided peninsula all make the idea of reunification more a long-term dream rather than a near-time reality that requires preparation.

Conclusion

For some Koreans on both sides of the border, reunification is a goal that should be achieved regardless of the economic cost. While such sentiments have sustained a consistent desire for peace and unity on the Korean peninsula, the political and economic realities mandate leaders in both Koreas to confront and adequately prepare for them.
 
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And don't forget about the human loss. Check how much civilians perished from last Korean war with WWII weapons. A lot of people talk about wars like a Sunday picnic or a chess game. I just feel it is especially funny that a Korean (real Korean??) guy living in a foreign country promoting an unpredicable bloodshed between his brothers. Luckily leaders from neither sides are not that crazy.
 
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And don't forget about the human loss. Check how much civilians perished from last Korean war with WWII weapons.

Think Iraq War and Afghan War in the initial phase(Not the insurgency phase as there won't be one in North Korea). It would be over very quickly and cleanly.
 
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i have met some Iranians on forums praising North-Korea only because they are anti-US and they have helped Iran with missile technology...

turning a blind eye to the sick and disgusting things this regime does to it's own people. saying they are "just talk" is completely wrong. either you lack knowledge or you don't do enough research. when NK used artillery on the SK island SK responded and destroyed most of the artillery that aimed at the island.

just because you hate USA doesn't mean you should show support to everyone who hates USA.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I have a problem with people forcing their ideology onto others. Even if your own ideology is "superior" doesn't justify the subjugation of another.


Interesting to see how many of our Iranian brothers have been recruited by the Chinese to support their causes.

Iran need China's support.


I think both US and China oppose unification and move towards that direction.

If the US is serious in controlling it's finances then they'll support unification which will justify them closing one of their bases in the region.


What we need is for South Korea and Japan to bury their differences, come together on the issue of joining hands with ASEAN and create a regional bulwark against interference from big super powers from near or far in the affairs of all of us, the little guys.

One day but not today.


I thought the almighty ROK army doesn't need US's help.

Trust me US won't be this stupid, if the War starts missles will fly not only over Seoul, but Tokyo as well, I don't think US is that crazy, otherwise it would've taken the action before NK's nuclear development. ...

Normally I would agree but the previous and current US administration is a bit batty.


Think Iraq War and Afghan War in the initial phase(Not the insurgency phase as there won't be one in North Korea). It would be over very quickly and cleanly.

It would be unwise to not expect any insurgent activities. I highly doubt the Americans will allow your military commanders to use them on the front lines as meat shields. More likely the ROK military commanders will have access to US hardware to conduct their war.
 
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You let the NKoreans acquire a weapon of mass destruction and amass a huge stockpile of disastrous weaponry.
SKoreans have no one to blame but themselves for their inability to think in terms of future necessity of crushing her enemy.

SKorea is far more advanced than NKorea but SKorea will the big loser in any actual war, since your economy and lifestyle are so developed when NKoreans would welcome the possibility of death in exchange for food.

The only way here for SK to win is not through war, perhaps go ask for help from secret agencies who are more familiar with the art of assassinations and commando operations necessary to take control of such sensitive sites.
 
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:lol:no point attacking the kim jr.'s palace....i bet he has a 100 foot bunker under it....a nation that has huge experience in digging tunnels, i bet they have a safe room underneath.
 
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You let the NKoreans acquire a weapon of mass destruction and amass a huge stockpile of disastrous weaponry.
SKoreans have no one to blame but themselves for their inability to think in terms of future necessity of crushing her enemy.

SKorea is far more advanced than NKorea but SKorea will the big loser in any actual war, since your economy and lifestyle are so developed when NKoreans would welcome the possibility of death in exchange for food.

The only way here for SK to win is not through war, perhaps go ask for help from secret agencies who are more familiar with the art of assassinations and commando operations necessary to take control of such sensitive sites.

IMO, such actions will make matters worse.
 
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If South Korea attacks North Korea, all we have to do is cut off South Korea's oil and food with our nuke subs and they'll be signing a peace treaty within months. Or, the alternative is the South's population will rise up against their unstable military regime as food and oil prices skyrocket. Any attack on our nuke subs will be regarded as an attack on the sovereign territory of China and will be met with strategic force.
:lol: Please...Give your fingers a rest. Chinese subs will quietly turn tail once they have been 'pinged' by US subs and not knowing where the directions of those warnings.
 
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Interesting to see how many of our Iranian brothers have been recruited by the Chinese to support their causes.

Seoul can be flattened yes with some minimal loss of lives, but Seoul is prepared for it. Buildings can be reconstructed. But the N Korean Kim dynasty will be finished, while the Army will be kept intact or absorbed with South Korean army.

Unless Kim dynasty become more friendly and work with the South Koreans to open up the country and economy and go for reforms, any adventurism, like the repeat of the sinking of the ship, will trigger a South Korean invasion. I think it is good that South Korea has finally on the war footing and getting prepared for it.

Having said that, there is a problem in the South Korean side also. I heard Kim Dae Jung and his party was more supportive of the peaceful unification project of Sunshine Policy. But the current party in power, a chaebol 1% elite and US stooge, has rolled back that policy and going for more provocation, because that would justify the US base and military presence in the area.

I think both US and China oppose unification and move towards that direction. As usual big bully nations playing their super power games to increase and keep their influence. What we need is for South Korea and Japan to bury their differences, come together on the issue of joining hands with ASEAN and create a regional bulwark against interference from big super powers from near or far in the affairs of all of us, the little guys.

Japan opposes the Korean unification more than China. you should keep this in mind before commenting.

That was when Korea was weak and a 3rd world country. Now the ROK military is very powerful.


Yes.

Powerful? But also directed by uncle sam. this is a shame for a country called itself &#45824;&#54620;&#48124;&#44397;&#12290; Dont insult the word &#45824;!
 
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Japan opposes the Korean unification more than China. you should keep this in mind before commenting.
And you should keep in mind history. You are obviously too young to know the Cold War. The Soviet Union was helpless and watched the communist bloc crumbled, first with the Berlin Wall. I was active duty at that time and I was among the majority who genuinely believed in an eternal Soviet Union. That belief was so strong that it even made it into novels...

The Mote in God's Eye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
MacArthur and the battleship Lenin are sent to the Mote: the star from which the alien ship came. MacArthur carries civilian research teams intended to meet with and investigate the Moties, while Lenin is there to ensure the security of humanity's technology and secrets, avoiding all contact with the aliens.
The Mote In God's Eye is a sci-fi classic alongside the likes of Ringworld and Asimov's Foundation series.

Anyway...I was still on active duty when the communist world begins to fall apart, starting with East Germany. Just like then, WHEN East Germany begins to fall apart and the Soviet Union and China was helpless, neither China nor Japan will be able to do anything about North Korea when it begins to break. Even if China invade North Korea and take over the country, the time of colonialism is over, and that half of Korea will be a millstone around China's neck, economically and morally.

The current Germany is the notional West Germany. The abomination call 'North Korea' will cease to exist and the unified Korea will be the notional South Korea.
 
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South Koreans must have been binge drinking...........

Special Weapons Doctrine

DPRK chemical weapons would compliment conventional military power. In a surprise attack, DPRK forces are expected to use chemical weapons to demoralize defending forces, reduce their effectiveness, and deny use of mobilization centers, storage areas, and military bases without physically destroying facilities and equipment. Non-persistent chemical agents could be used to break through defensive lines or to hinder a CFC counterattack. Persistent chemical agents could be used against fixed targets in rear areas, including command and control elements, major LOCs, logistic depots, airbases, and ports.

It is likely that chemical weapons would be used early in the conflict, rather than held in strategic reserve. Virtually every stage of US military operations would be made more complicated by the requirement to operate after the use of chemical weapons, beginning with deploying through vulnerable ports and staging facilities. Far from being weapons of last resort, chemical weapons may be a weapon of first resort.

The introduction of chemical weapons in a conflict would have profound political consequences, raising the possible use of nuclear weapons in response. US nuclear weapons might play only a limited role in deterring North Korean chemical weapons use against military targets in the South. While a nuclear response may be seen as credible in retaliation for use of nuclear or biological weapons against urban populations, such a response could be seen as less credible against the use of chemical weapons on the battlefield, since it could be perceived as totally disproportionate.

The perceived value of nuclear weapons for North Korea is reflected in the often cited statement attributed to former Indian Army Chief of Staff Sundarji: "one principal lesson of the Gulf War is that, if a state intends to fight the United States, it should avoid doing so until and unless it possesses nuclear weapons."

In the face of a credible threat of use of nuclear weapons, the United States and its coalition partners could be forced to change the way the US would conduct operations. North Korea may see the threat of use of nuclear weapons against US coalition partners or allies as a powerful tool in undermining US options for coalition warfare, or in seeking through coercion to undermine US basing or other support for operations. North Korea must also perceive enormous value threatening Japan in order to deny the United States access to key ports and airfields in the south.

Nuclear weapons would also serve to coerce and deter the United States from responding to a North Korean attack on the South by launching a counter-offensive aimed at, for instance, seizing Pyongyang.

If i were south korean i would be really scared of these little men with big guns..........

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If i were south korean i would be really scared of these little men with big guns..........
Then it is a good thing for the South Koreans that you are not one of them. The SKReans are not cowards.
 
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