Kolkata: Trinamool student leader held for being Pakistan spy

[scorpionx]

No body expects security to be tight at GRSE due to the fact that its in Bengal ...... at least i don't.

You do realize that GRSE falls under the administrative control of Ministry of Defence? And the matter of its internal security is not state government's responsibility?

 

[Mamsalaphala]

You do realize that GRSE falls under the administrative control of Ministry of Defence? And the matter of its internal security is not state government's responsibility?

BSF also falls under MoD my friend. Same problem.

End of the day they can only be CORRECTIVE action by MoD, the PREVENTIVE action has to come from the Bongs.

Preventive trumps Corrective every-time. (remember "prevention is better then cure" ?)

 

[scorpionx]

BSF also falls under MoD my friend. Same problem.

End of the day they can only be CORRECTIVE action by MoD, the PREVENTIVE action has to come from the Bongs.

Preventive trumps Corrective every-time. (remember "prevention is better then cure" ?)

Sorry, I don't see why only Bengalis need to feel the urge to take preventive course and not the entire country. Most of the RaW defectors hitherto do not belong to Bengal, neither this is the first story of ISI's penetration in a government organization. The only problem or say opportunity, here it seems is that the perpetrator is a member of a political party that the op conveniently grabbed to prove the inherent and inescapable sufferings of a non-BJP state.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

Sorry, I don't see why only Bengalis need to feel the urge to take preventive course and not the entire country. Most of the RaW defectors hitherto do not belong to Bengal, neither this is the first story of ISI's penetration in a government organization. The only problem or say opportunity, here it seems is that the perpetrator is a member of a political party that the op conveniently grabbed to prove the inherent and inescapable sufferings of a non-BJP state.

Only in this particular context since BD borders W. Bengal and GRSE is in Bengal.

Rest of your post is a Strawman since non has claimed ISI has penetrated ONLY Bengal, likewise for RaW.

Since this happened in Bengal, I fail to see what the OP was expected to do ?

Play equal equal like Aamri Khan by dragging in Punjab, Kashmir etc and then make the post ? Not everybody subscribes to such Aadarsh Liberal tactics.

 

[scorpionx]

Only in this particular context since BD borders W. Bengal and GRSE is in Bengal.

Rest of your post is a Strawman since non has claimed ISI has penetrated ONLY Bengal, likewise for RaW.

Since this happened in Bengal, I fail to see what the OP was expected to do ?

Play equal equal like Aamri Khan by dragging in Punjab, Kashmir etc and then make the post ? Not everybody subscribes to such Aadarsh Liberal tactics.

Your argument is ridiculously flawed. This is a failure of GRSE and has nothing to do with illegal immigration from Bangladesh.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

Your argument is ridiculously flawed. This is a failure of GRSE and has nothing to do with illegal immigration from Bangladesh.

Another stawman ...... I never mentioned "illegal immigration from Bangladesh".

However GRSE too has to share the blame. No one is claiming otherwise.

 

[scorpionx]

I never mentioned "illegal immigration from Bangladesh".

Only in this particular context since BD borders W. Bengal and GRSE is in Bengal.

So, what exactly was being implied by this?

 

[Mamsalaphala]

So, what exactly was being implied by this?

BD because I mentioned BSF, not to mention that the ISI agent mentioned frequent travel of BD made possible by a blooming industry in W.B than support such activity.

BTW good to see your denying any Bengal complicity, especially when the news report specifically mentioned that the accused helped the Pakistani ISI agent to get voter I-card and passport AND helped him get a job in GRSE by exercising his influence at the Trinamool trade union.


Excellent defence of ISI Trinamool nexus. Good work.

 

[LaBong]

Mamata did what even CPM never did, she sent goons for booth capturing in elite localities of Salt Lake, and they literally have thrashed and beaten up the Bengali upper class including some prominent 'poribartan ponthis'! That was apparently quite heart-breaking for our buddhijibi mahal of half-literates.

Most of the budhhibjibis are now live on the crumbs doled out by mamata, so its fine for them as long as they can do their little village level melas in acadamy and Nandan while clapping each other on back.

BTW good to see your denying any Bengal complicity, especially when the news report specifically mentioned that the accused helped the Pakistani ISI agent to get voter I-card and passport AND helped him get a job in GRSE by exercising his influence at the Trinamool trade union.

So he got him a voter id card of Bareily and Bengal is complicit?

Sorry, I don't see why only Bengalis need to feel the urge to take preventive course and not the entire country. Most of the RaW defectors hitherto do not belong to Bengal, neither this is the first story of ISI's penetration in a government organization. The only problem or say opportunity, here it seems is that the perpetrator is a member of a political party that the op conveniently grabbed to prove the inherent and inescapable sufferings of a non-BJP state.

Most of these guys have inherent anti Bengali lean which comes out whenever something happens in Bengal. I know there are lot of things which are wrong in Bengal which deems criticism however there's no other way of explaining the quack psycho analysis being done on bengalis because of some ISI agents happens to live in Kolkata and made it to TMC and central govt agencies. I have many mallu friends in states and wont fall in the trap of foul mouthing a whole community because of an internet troll, but if he really wants to show is balls which we lack supposedly, kerala is better place for him, he knows the language and area and its already on its way to become middle east extension with people chopping of hands among other things.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

So he got him a voter id card of Bareily and Bengal is complicit?

Considering the Bongs got him the voter id card and passport it is unlikely they were from bareilly. In any case it is quite well known that W. Bengal is a haven for BD's when it comes to getting voter id and other papers. Don't bother to deny this.

Most of these guys have inherent anti Bengali lean which comes out whenever something happens in Bengal. I know there are lot of things which are wrong in Bengal which deems criticism however there's no other way of explaining the quack psycho analysis being done on bengalis because of some ISI agents happens to live in Kolkata and made it to TMC and central govt agencies. I have many mallu friends in states and wont fall in the trap of foul mouthing a whole community because of an internet troll, but if he really wants to show is balls which we lack supposedly, kerala is better place for him, he knows the language and area and its already on its way to become middle east extension with people chopping of hands among other things.

Playing the Victim again ? is this your favourite sport ?

 

[scorpionx]

BD because I mentioned BSF, not to mention that the ISI agent mentioned frequent travel of BD made possible by a blooming industry in W.B than support such activity.

BTW good to see your denying any Bengal complicity, especially when the news report specifically mentioned that the accused helped the Pakistani ISI agent to get voter I-card and passport AND helped him get a job in GRSE by exercising his influence at the Trinamool trade union.


Excellent defence of ISI Trinamool nexus. Good work.

Controlling illegal immigration is responsibility of a central organization, not state. And the entire system (of getting a proof of Indian nationality) is crippled with so many deficiencies, that anyone can buy off one or more proof for himself in this country. I am not, however surprised to see you identifying this problem with West Bengal alone. In the heart of the capital, an aadhaar card is available to an illegal immigrant for just Rs.500/-. And if in an organization which is supposed to built highly secretive weapons it is so easy to get access by exercising political influence, it is the fault of those who are responsible for its security i.e. the defence ministry.

I am not defending anything here. It is just an effort to understand the logic of yours and that of others so called real 'seculars' and true patriots of this soil that state government's policy has anything to do with it.

Most of these guys have inherent anti Bengali lean which comes out whenever something happens in Bengal. I know there are lot of things which are wrong in Bengal which deems criticism however there's no other way of explaining the quack psycho analysis being done on bengalis because of some ISI agents happens to live in Kolkata and made it to TMC and central govt agencies. I have many mallu friends in states and wont fall in the trap of foul mouthing a whole community because of an internet troll, but if he really wants to show is balls which we lack supposedly, kerala is better place for him, he knows the language and area and its already on its way to become middle east extension with people chopping of hands among other things.

I am not surprised. After Bihar election these fellas were showering hell on the people of Bihar, calling them bhaiyas, rapists, labors and what not. They have made it an unenviable habit to relate everything with ethnicity, secularism and Muslim appeasement for the fault of some one else.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

The entire system (of getting a proof of Indian nationality) is crippled with so many deficiencies, that anyone can buy off one for himself in this country. I am not, however surprised to see you identifying this problem with West Bengal alone. In the heart of the capital, an aadhaar card is available to an illegal immigrant for just Rs.500/-. And if in an organization which is supposed to built highly secretive weapons it is so easy to get access by exercising political influence, it is the fault of those who are responsible for its security i.e. the defence ministry.

I am not defending anything here. It is just an effort to understand the logic of yours and that of others so called real 'seculars' and true patriots of this soil that state government's policy has anything to do with it.

But You ARE defending something here. Only you are unwilling to admit it

You are required to offer "proof" to validate your theory of Delhi being a heaven for illegals. Or do you think its not required ?

This thread highlights West Bengals role in this problem so that is being discussed. But like a good Aadarsh Liberal you want to bring in Dlehi, Punjab, kerala, caste, toilet and rape.

What I fail to understand that even if your claims are true, how does it matter ? Does it make Bongs and Trinamool any less culpable ?

GRSE might be owned by MoD but the Trade Unions are by Trinamool and it is they who have facilitated the ISI agent. I am sure there would be some legal working arrangement between the Trade unions and the Management for this to happen. The leadership of the Trade union in GRSE will be Bongs too.

Finally I do not need any Certificate from you for "patriotism". you "seculars' have a compulsive need to issue them at short notice ..... some things never change.

 

[scorpionx]

But You ARE defending something here. Only you are unwilling to admit it

You are required to offer "proof" to validate your theory of Delhi being a heaven for illegals. Or do you think its not required ?


What I fail to understand that even if your claims are true, how does it matter ? Does it make Bongs and Trinamool any less culpable ?


Finally I do not need any Certificate from you for "patriotism". you "seculars' have a compulsive need to issue them at short notice ..... some things never change.

A mere google will give you the proof that in Delhi it can be bought with just Rs.500/-.

This thread highlights West Bengals role in this problem so that is being discussed. But like a good Aadarsh Liberal you want to bring in Dlehi, Punjab, kerala, caste, toilet and rape.

This thread is about an ISI penetration in Bengal and the problems that were identified by YOU and NOT me that it is Bengalis in general who are responsible for easy come and go between borders and getting proof of nationality which I said has NOTHING to do with as per say the state government or TMC alone. It was you who claimed that Bengalis need to adopt course correction measures which you are repeatedly failing to explain why they alone and not the entire country by your incomprehensible logic.

GRSE might be owned by MoD but the Trade Unions are by Trinamool and it is they who have facilitated the ISI agent. I am sure there would be some legal working arrangement between the Trade unions and the Management for this to happen. The leadership of the Trade union in GRSE will be Bongs too.

Nothing can compromise security protocols in a defense organization, hope you have minimum understanding how the system works there. Your arguments were flawed from the beginning that you saw it ok that an organization could not detect a mole from a handful of employees but expected a party to identify one which has millions of workers.

 

[LaBong]

sidering the Bongs got him the voter id card and passport it is unlikely they were from bareilly. In any case it is quite well known that W. Bengal is a haven for BD's when it comes to getting voter id and other papers. Don't bother to deny this.

But the if the voter card is from Bareily then authorities in Bareily has to issue it no? And if it's fake you have to be far off from reality if you think Bengal is the only place you can get fake voter id card.

Once again BD immigrants have nothing to do with it, these guys are traditional urdu speaking bihari and UP muslims who have been living in kolkata for three centuries and have relatives in Pakistan.

Anyway I don't fault you. Initially I thought you are just another north indian snob, but a lot of things make sense after knowing you are from kerala. People like you regularly get bumped off and beaten by commies and mostly relegated to second class citizen in better part of the state. I guess the forceful show of religious and ethnic supremacy in internet comes from living like mouse in real life. Now all your rant about bengalis getting trampled on makes totally sense!

Playing the Victim again ? is this your favourite sport ?

Dont know about mine, but fake bravado and hilarious racism seems to be yours. As I correctly diagnosed before - internet tough guy through and through!

 

[Mamsalaphala]

This thread is about an ISI penetration in Bengal and the problems that were identified by YOU and NOT me that it is Bengalis in general who are responsible for easy come and go between borders and getting proof of nationality which I said has NOTHING to do with as per say the state government or TMC alone. It was you who claimed that Bengalis need to adopt course correction measures which you are repeatedly failing to explain why they alone and not the entire country by your incomprehensible logic.

When did I say Bongs are are responsible for easy come and go between borders ?

How is this even relevant ?

The preventive action is when political parties do not pander to ISI agents and provide them cover.

Where did I say it does not happen elsewhere ?

It is YOU who wants to adopt the aadharsh Liberal attitude of dragging in everybody else in an article about ISI Agents CAUGHT IN BENGAL

Nothing can compromise security protocols in a defense organization, hope you have minimum understanding how the system works there. Your arguments were flawed from the beginning that you saw it ok that an organization could not detect a mole from a handful of employees but expected a party to identify one which has millions of workers.

I work in the defence sector so I have a pretty good understand of how it works. I am certain it is much better than your theoretical models.

No one is expecting Trinamool to weed out moles, the whole argument was about Trinamool weeding out "minority appeasement" and "jihadi appeasement" which leads you to pander to criminals and anti nationals who then go on to support the ISI as the news has so readily demonstrated.

No amount of obfuscating this reality can work. Nor can strawmen which you are trying to build and demolish will give you any moral victory here.

But the if the voter card is from Bareily then authorities in Bareily has to issue it no? And if it's fake you have to be far off from reality if you think Bengal is the only place you can get fake voter id card.

Unlike you I do not deal in fantasy, so when the news report says the ISI agents got in from a couple of Bongs, I tend to believe it

Once again BD immigrants have nothing to do with it, these guys are traditional urdu speaking bihari and UP muslims who have been living in kolkata for three centuries and have relatives in Pakistan.

No one has said otherwise

Anyway I don't fault you. Initially I thought you are just another north indian snob, but a lot of things make sense after knowing you are from kerala. People like you regularly get bumped off and beaten by commies and mostly relegated to second class citizen in better part of the state. I guess the forceful show of religious and racial supremacy in internet comes from living like mouse in real life. Now all your rant about bengalis getting trampled on makes totally sense!

I am not looking for Dr. Phil. ...... go play with someone else.

Dont know about mine, but fake bravado and hilarious racism seems to be yours. As I correctly diagnosed before - internet tough guy through and through!

Ad hominem attacks on me only tend to make you look like a Frustrated closet Islamist ..... Time to craw out of that closet ?