Know Thy Enemy: Build up defense to thwart US provocation

[TaiShang]

If you can execute the perfect plan to get rid of the US troops and their infiltration in Japan govt, then all possibility for a Greater East Asia is doable. As I said before, the biggest steps you should take is to gain an independent thought and shall not fear of being abandon. Be self-sufficient in military and not dependent on US system. For our part, we will continue to mature our weapon system and head toward a fully developed status. Only until then, we can become an attractive option for freedom of people movement across Korea, Japan, and China. Think of it like a Schengen Agreement.

To execute this grand plan, all parties have to work diligently and doing their part.

I wonder, deep in their mind, whether the Japanese and Korean elites simply wish to wait for China to gain strength to remove the US from the region in one way or another and thus open the room for these two countries to gain independent status as normal polities.

Talking about free-riding, LOL...

@Nihonjin1051

 

[Viet]

China need to have a major rethink in its military buildup. This includes how much to spend and reviewing the no-first-use nuclear policy.

China thinks by being nice and timid that others will leave it alone.

Incredibly naive!

Have you ever wasted a second thinking what and how your neighbors will respond if you publicly declare spending more money on weapons and abandon no first use policy on nuclear weapon?

Shall we as non nuclear state stand up and applaude you?

 

[Jlaw]

Yes. Seriously, did China developed those advanced weaponries to deal with Japan or her military backer.

China does not need weapons e.g. 15,000 km DF-41, 2500 km DF-25 or hypersonic HGV WU-14 to deal with Japan. Any short range SRBM e.g. DF-15 will be sufficient to reach ev ery part of Japan.

It is now common knowledge that USA had been supplying downgrade weaponries to all her allies including Japan for ages as deep inside USA still harbor a FEAR of a revived militarized Japan. USA will not hesistate to destroy Japan if she ever threatened her again e.g. the Plaza Accord that force Japan to revalue her yen resulted in Japan dire economic situation today.

The Plaza Accord is a protectionist agreement that contributes to Japan asset price bubble that ended up in a recession. IMO TPPA will be the new century USA protectionist trade agreement that will ended up with none of the participating nations benefitting.

Some Vietnamese will disagree with you. TPP will spell the end of China according to some PDF Vietnamese think tank

Have you ever wasted a second thinking what and how your neighbors will respond if you publicly declare spending more money on weapons and abandon no first use policy on nuclear weapon?

Shall we as non nuclear state stand up and applaude you?

Yes. They will bitch and try to buy more shitty weapons from the west. Nothing more.

There will not be an Asian arms race because your economy will collapse having an arms race with China.

Let me remind you that HK by itself has a higher GDP per year than all of Vietnam.

 

[TaiShang]

Yes. They will bitch and try to buy more shitty weapons from the west. Nothing more.

There will not be an Asian arms race because your economy will collapse having an arms race with China.

If China decides to accelerate defense spending, it will be the US only to be forced to dedicate more resources to counter it. Regional countries will remain as significant as they are now because they do not have the economies of scale, like you said, to support such aggressive arms race. They will not even enjoy being a Soviet Union before their collapse under their own weight.

Before challenging China, these countries need to spend some good 3o years on exclusive development. The question is do they have the required strategic mind and patience; or, will they resort to the incredible lightness of purchasing weapons made by others and thus burning money that would otherwise be spent on real national development.

Hopefully, by then, China will have acquired more strategic assets from the West so part of the money spent by Vietnam and the likes would in fact go to China's deep pockets.

 

[Jlaw]

If China decides to accelerate defense spending, it will be the US only to be forced to dedicate more resources to counter it. Regional countries will remain as significant as they are now because they do not have the economies of scale, like you said, to support such aggressive arms race. They will not even enjoy being a Soviet Union before their collapse under their own weight.

Before challenging China, these countries need to spend some good 3o years on exclusive development. The question is do they gave the required strategic mind and patience; or, will they resort to the incredible lightness of purchasing weapons made by others and thus burning money that would otherwise be spent on real national development.

Hopefully, by then, China will have acquired more strategic assets from the West so part of the money spent by Vietnam and the likes would in fact go to China's deep pockets.

It's not even about development. At this point, every developed countries know what the developing countries are trying to do. They will not let another country to grow like China for 30 years to challenge them. They have learned their lessons. IMO the developed countries will toss a carrot once in a while for these 3rd world countries to do their dirty deed, but they will not move investments on a massive scale like they did to China in the 80s.

In fact I wish these other 3rd world countries leaders think like some of these PDF ultra fantasy nationalists. It will make China's job so much easier to squash and contain them.

 

[TaiShang]

In fact I wish these other 3rd world countries leaders think like some of these PDF ultra fantasy nationalists. It will make China's job so much easier to squash and contain them.

I guess some of them are really getting closer to that point; the Philippines being the likely first candidate. China may have the opportunity to test its certain capabilities on this country as well as see the reaction from the other peers such as the US.

 

[Aepsilons]

What I tried to say is don't do stupid thing when we're still weak, Han emperiors already shown us a good guidance on how to deal with tough adversary such the Hun, they waited over 100 years until Han Wu Di time when his army was strong to decisively engage the Hun once for all. Sure Americans will not sit idle but we need to buy time to fully know how to deal with American's threat...I think that what Chinese leaders are doing , for over 30 years...Americans had none stop with the military, diplomatic and commercial provocations but our leaders knew how to hold their temper and keep cool.

Permit me to add two more Sons of Heaven to your list, brother. Aside from the Great Han Wu Di, I would also exult the names (that have been preserved even in Japanese historical posterity) of Tang Tai Zong and Tang Xuan Zong. Both of whom were eminent rulers, enlightened in their reign and brought glory unto the Great Tang Dynasty. It was under their rules (tho i would deign to identify the entire Tang Dynasty was universal in economic policies) that the Chinese Empire became the richest in the world, its commerce had extended throughout the known world, Chinese political science and health science was brought to existence in its current form in Japan and Korea. China , during the Tang Dynasty, was at the height and zenith of her cultural excellence and civilizational influence in the Great East Asian region. Her inclusive policies that brought revitalization into the nation-state realization in ancient Japan as well as ancient Korea --- is a model for any present and future Chinese administrations of the present epoch to base upon.

I guess some of them are really getting closer to that point; the Philippines being the likely first candidate. China may have the opportunity to test its certain capabilities on this country as well as see the reaction from the other peers such as the US.

I think a military based solution in the Philippines is antithetical to the long-term interests of China and East Asia. The Philippines have largely merged culturally to the East Asian cultural paradigm and even on a genetic societal level -- the very identity of the Filipino people is unique. Unlike their largely unmixed Austronesian kin in Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei , the Filipinos have a large Sino ancestral presence. It is estimated that over 1/4th (25-28%) of all Filipinos have Chinese ancestry , a product of the Chinese diaspora into the Philippines that had started as early as the 17th century (and continues to this day). To give organic credence and example, @TaiShang , their National Hero, who is Dr. Jose Rizal, was actually a Chinese Huaren, whose father was of Chinese ancestry. They adopted Spanish surname as it was the policy of Spanish-controlled Philippines at the time to force assimilate immigrants into the Philippines. So in productive and transformative contextual analysis, the Philippines is actually the ground where Chinese influence from the Mainland had led to the genesis of nation-state ideation in colonial Asia. As China, by way of her peoples migration, influenced the Philippines in the grassroots demographic level, so , too, can she shed off the obfuscation of political-based animosities and understandings. Perhaps under a more productive( but as well as reform-minded platform as Aquino ) leader , the Philippines can balance and emplace an equidistant policy regarding Beijing and Washington.

From my interaction of Filipinos on the ground, their elites as well as academic class --- tend to have and hold a suspicious visage on American interventionism in their country. So let us take that into consideration. China can better cooperate with the rest of Asia , particularly in ASEAN, through a more enlightened approach in dealing with much smaller states. I suppose China, as a gargantuan and continental sized 5 millennial aged Great Power --- has this weight and mantle of Responsibility. And I think despite political and media speculation, the region awaits China's rise.


Regards, my friend.

If China decides to accelerate defense spending, it will be the US only to be forced to dedicate more resources to counter it. Regional countries will remain as significant as they are now because they do not have the economies of scale, like you said, to support such aggressive arms race. They will not even enjoy being a Soviet Union before their collapse under their own weight.

Before challenging China, these countries need to spend some good 3o years on exclusive development. The question is do they have the required strategic mind and patience; or, will they resort to the incredible lightness of purchasing weapons made by others and thus burning money that would otherwise be spent on real national development.

Hopefully, by then, China will have acquired more strategic assets from the West so part of the money spent by Vietnam and the likes would in fact go to China's deep pockets.

I think the Academic Elites of China , Hong Kong, Taiwan -- have seen the failure of radical political changes and economic-military policies seen in Perestroika and Glasnost, in context to the collapse of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Gradual implementation is necessary. We have seen , in today's time, the result of radical political change and the detrimental effects to local demography e.g, Libya, Syria, Tunisia, Liberia, Sudan, Ukraine. Gradual rise --- is preferable to the European notion of 'rapidity', my friend. China is over 5,000 years old, a wait of 10-15 years is nothing. Nothing.

 

[Zero_wing]

Permit me to add two more Sons of Heaven to your list, brother. Aside from the Great Han Wu Di, I would also exult the names (that have been preserved even in Japanese historical posterity) of Tang Tai Zong and Tang Xuan Zong. Both of whom were eminent rulers, enlightened in their reign and brought glory unto the Great Tang Dynasty. It was under their rules (tho i would deign to identify the entire Tang Dynasty was universal in economic policies) that the Chinese Empire became the richest in the world, its commerce had extended throughout the known world, Chinese political science and health science was brought to existence in its current form in Japan and Korea. China , during the Tang Dynasty, was at the height and zenith of her cultural excellence and civilizational influence in the Great East Asian region. Her inclusive policies that brought revitalization into the nation-state realization in ancient Japan as well as ancient Korea --- is a model for any present and future Chinese administrations of the present epoch to base upon.



I think a military based solution in the Philippines is antithetical to the long-term interests of China and East Asia. The Philippines have largely merged culturally to the East Asian cultural paradigm and even on a genetic societal level -- the very identity of the Filipino people is unique. Unlike their largely unmixed Austronesian kin in Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei , the Filipinos have a large Sino ancestral presence. It is estimated that over 1/4th (25-28%) of all Filipinos have Chinese ancestry , a product of the Chinese diaspora into the Philippines that had started as early as the 17th century (and continues to this day). To give organic credence and example, @TaiShang , their National Hero, who is Dr. Jose Rizal, was actually a Chinese Huaren, whose father was of Chinese ancestry. They adopted Spanish surname as it was the policy of Spanish-controlled Philippines at the time to force assimilate immigrants into the Philippines. So in productive and transformative contextual analysis, the Philippines is actually the ground where Chinese influence from the Mainland had led to the genesis of nation-state ideation in colonial Asia. As China, by way of her peoples migration, influenced the Philippines in the grassroots demographic level, so , too, can she shed off the obfuscation of political-based animosities and understandings. Perhaps under a more productive( but as well as reform-minded platform as Aquino ) leader , the Philippines can balance and emplace an equidistant policy regarding Beijing and Washington.

From my interaction of Filipinos on the ground, their elites as well as academic class --- tend to have and hold a suspicious visage on American interventionism in their country. So let us take that into consideration. China can better cooperate with the rest of Asia , particularly in ASEAN, through a more enlightened approach in dealing with much smaller states. I suppose China, as a gargantuan and continental sized 5 millennial aged Great Power --- has this weight and mantle of Responsibility. And I think despite political and media speculation, the region awaits China's rise.


Regards, my friend.



I think the Academic Elites of China , Hong Kong, Taiwan -- have seen the failure of radical political changes and economic-military policies seen in Perestroika and Glasnost, in context to the collapse of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Gradual implementation is necessary. We have seen , in today's time, the result of radical political change and the detrimental effects to local demography e.g, Libya, Syria, Tunisia, Liberia, Sudan, Ukraine. Gradual rise --- is preferable to the European notion of 'rapidity', my friend. China is over 5,000 years old, a wait of 10-15 years is nothing. Nothing.

Comrade your wasting your time with these fools

 

[Aepsilons]

But it will be easier if it gets started with just these three nations initially - China, Japan & South Korea as they are all mature and very strong economies.

The possibility is endless and eventually it may lead to the eventual goal, a UNITED ASIA but it won't be easy as all these would make USA and the North very insecure.

From past histories, we know an insecure USA is dangerous as she will create trouble everywhere.

WE won't be surprised if one scandals after another will soon appeared in these states apart from China. USA will made it her first priority to sabotage this relationship unless she gets to control it e.g. in the IMF, only USA is accorded the VETO power. That is why Obama viewed China's AIIB as a threat and what Obama means when he says he will NOT allow China to make the trade rules. Ironically all the trade rules in the WTO is certainly NOT made by China. So what is Obama talking about? The future, off course. Obama has almost conceded that China will be the world BIGGEST economy and hence is setting all the trade rules that favour USA to safeguard her own interest.

As I have always says and proven by others - USA is a self interest nation and mainly a trade protectionist state.

The TPPA which was negotiate in secret is foremost the instrument of the hegemonic USA and that is why President "Read my lip" Obama WARNED the USA Senate not to delay it. Why? Because it was documented to does not serve the INTEREST of the American Taxpayers or the citizens of those participant states.

I have no doubt that China (Mainland) will reach GDP per capita status in level with Japan and South Korea, very soon. I would even deign to estimate within 1- 1.5 decades' time. Just due to the shear growth of such a massive economy that is China's. Even as Western analysts claim Chinese growth of 7% as being tantamount to collapse, i'm sure our Western colleagues would wish to have such a growth rate in their respective economies. LOL. Seriously, growing at 7% and be a $12 Trillion USD economy is something enviable for greatly developed states such as Japan, United States, United Kingdom, Germany, South Korea et al.

I think we have to learn to analyze nation-specific and region-specific interactions outside the confines of western media and web searches. Have you gone to google and typed up "Japan China Relations" ? Results from western media sources herald a situation that seems as if war will erupt any day now, LOL! I always find it hilarious and also insulting when American or British news agencies reporting the dire situations between Japan and China --- more so than even the Japanese and Chinese themselves, LOL.

As an academic and who has extensive contacts with Chinese academics --- we all agree on the historical grievances. Besides that one particular static point in history, the developments since then out-rival any peer-to-peer interactions on all levels, bar none. One has to find objective news pieces and journals for information, not only sensationalist media outlets.

 

[Lure]

China feels that the US is circling to contain it

China is actually helping US in this front. Other than Vietnam there is no nation in South East Asia that China has historical problems. So it's understandable that China-Vietnam relations has some ups and downs. But what about Philippines? Those guys literally kicked back US out of their country and was very eager to form an allience with China in not so distant past. China could've acted more elegantly to prevent Philippines from going back to lap of the US. Philippines has no technology to extract any resource in that area. Before 2012 they had no intention to invite US either. So resources in Philippines claim and control would most probably stay untapped. Besides there could've been a lot options on the table. I mean China had a lot to offer to Philippines. Philippines could've handed over the islands with some economic beneficiary status. Or the problem could've been solved in a distant future where China has more military options. You win a war before you fight it. That's why you don't enter a war if you can't win it.

What happened between Philippines and China is also very bad influence for other friendly nations like Indonesia and Malaysia. There are very good relations between China and Malaysia and Indonesia. Just like there was a huge possibility for good relations between Philippines and China. I hope those problems will be handled cautiously and without China losing friends in ASEAN.

If we talk about the propagand front. China has still have the upper hand. I mean US killed millions of people in the ME in the last decade. Of course with the brilliant "de-humanization" techniques killing "arabs" or "muslims" in general is justified. Because as we all know muslims are "terrorists" and "savages". However still in many people's eyes in Asia and Europe, US is a very violent nation that caused a lot of destruction on Earth and definitely needs a rival that stops it from doing what it wants to do. China is the best candidate.

The defense expenditure of a big power must constitute a certain percentage of its overall expense. China's military budget only takes up 2 percent of its GDP, much lower than the US figure of 4 percent.

Don't agree with that. You have a lot of bottlenecks in such projects. Money is only one variable. More money is not equal to more output. Forming a military industrial complex takes time. You need to have experienced engineers that has prior experiences in such projects. I mean think about it US makes stealth planes since 1980's and the R&D for it has started in 1970's. So there is a 40 years of experience. Hence it's not hard to say that the guy who started to work on stealth plane project in 70's and if that guy is still doing stealth planes today, that guy has 40 years of experience. That guy would probably be in his late 60's or early 70's. Think about how many engineers he trained for that project. Think about his know how. You can't buy trained and experienced technical person with money. You can raise them with time and with throwing a lot of projects in front of them. Money won't be a bottleneck for China, that's why throwing more money to R&D won't particularly be needed.

US pays a lot lease fees for hundereds of bases around the world. US military salaries are much more then China. US is involving in regular wars. US war machine rarely stopped since 1950. US military outsources services (like haircutting, cleaning etc.) to private US companies and pays for them, in China just like Turkey such services arr provided by soldiers for free or for low cost. Hence US has a lot of other reasons to have such a big budget.

In the short-term future, we will have limited means to counter the US.

Don't agree with it. China goes for asymmetrical development and investing heavily on game changers. That's why I expect that until China actually matches US with the raw size, there would be some game changers in the field which will mitigate the existing shortcomings.

ASAT is a good example. Carrier Killer surely causing a lot of headache. Hypersonic glider will definitely be a gamechanger and I bet Chinese development of this project is closely monitored by CIA and Pentagon. J-20 is a game changer.

If J-20 is actually not observable by US radars, I wouldn't worry much about the size of my navy in SCS. You guys have the logistics advantage in the area. There are hundereds of air bases where China can lift a plane. How about US? If J-20 won't be detected by US radars China would probably turn SCS into a logistical nightmare for US Navy.

 

[dichoi]

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'Nearly All' Australian Patrols in South China Sea Are Challenged by China
Australia’s air force chief said more and more Australian patrol flights were being warned away by China.

By Shannon Tiezzi
February 05, 2016

An Australian AP-C3 Orion surveillance aircraft.

Australia’s air force chief said that China now challenges “nearly all” Australian surveillance flights over the South China Sea. Air Marshal Leo Davies toldSydney Morning Heraldthat the number of Chinese warnings to routine Australian patrols had increased, a byproduct of an increasing Chinese presence on disputed islands in the area.

The nature of challenges – radio broadcasts warning aircraft to leave the area – had not changed, much less escalated, Davies emphasized. The frequency however, has. “Nearly all” flights in the South China Sea were now being challenged by China. Davies attributed the rise in warnings to China’s island building and construction activities: “Because the Chinese have done the [land] reclamation, there is a greater Chinese presence,” he said.

“[W]herever we go on our normal Gateway patrol, we now find that there is an increasing number of locations where the challenge would occur,” Davies continued. He was referring to the “Operation Gateway” maritime patrols Australia routinely conducts in the North Indian Ocean and South China Sea. Davies acknowledged that Operation Gateway had recently seen a “slight increase” in patrols of the South China Sea relative to the Indian Ocean.

Despite the challenges from China, Davies said the patrols would continue, as Australia had a right to conduct them under international law. That accords with a statement from Australian Defense Minister Marise Payne in the wake of the latest freedom of navigation patrol by the U.S. Navy on January 30. Payne said that “Australian vessels and aircraft will continue to exercise rights under international law to freedom of navigation and freedom of overflight, including in the South China Sea.”

Whether or not Australia should formally join the United States in conducting freedom of navigation operations (FONOPs) in the South China Sea has been a subject of debate in the country. Shadow Minister of Defense Stephen Conroy wrote an op-ed for The Australianarguing in favor of Australian FONOPS. “Australia should be prepared to act to support the international system in the South China Sea, and we should not be shy about our actions and intentions in doing so,” Conroy argued. However, some analysts (including The Diplomat’s Greg Austin) have argued that Australia doesn’t have much at stake in the South China Sea, and has little to gain from carrying out U.S.-style FONOPs.

Australia’s government might have found a middle path: asserting freedom of navigation without the fanfare (and diplomatic bitterness) that has accompanied U.S. FONOPs. In December, BBC reporter Rupert Wingfield-Hayes reported overhearing an Australian broadcast to the Chinese navy in the South China Sea:

China Navy, China Navy. We are an Australian aircraft exercising international freedom of navigation rights, in international airspace in accordance with the international civil aviation convention, and the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

Australia’s Department of Defense confirmed that it had conducted Gateway patrols in the region. Notably that confirmation came only after the BBC story came out, evidence of Canberra attempts to keep the patrols out of the headlines.

‘Nearly All’ Australian Patrols in South China Sea Are Challenged by China | The Diplomat

 

[Aepsilons]

China is actually helping US in this front. Other than Vietnam there is no nation in South East Asia that China has historical problems. So it's understandable that China-Vietnam relations has some ups and downs. But what about Philippines? Those guys literally kicked back US out of their country and was very eager to form an allience with China in not so distant past. China could've acted more elegantly to prevent Philippines from going back to lap of the US. Philippines has no technology to extract any resource in that area. Before 2012 they had no intention to invite US either. So resources in Philippines claim and control would most probably stay untapped. Besides there could've been a lot options on the table. I mean China had a lot to offer to Philippines. Philippines could've handed over the islands with some economic beneficiary status. Or the problem could've been solved in a distant future where China has more military options. You win a war before you fight it. That's why you don't enter a war if you can't win it.

What happened between Philippines and China is also very bad influence for other friendly nations like Indonesia and Malaysia. There are very good relations between China and Malaysia and Indonesia. Just like there was a huge possibility for good relations between Philippines and China. I hope those problems will be handled cautiously and without China losing friends in ASEAN.

If we talk about the propagand front. China has still have the upper hand. I mean US killed millions of people in the ME in the last decade. Of course with the brilliant "de-humanization" techniques killing "arabs" or "muslims" in general is justified. Because as we all know muslims are "terrorists" and "savages". However still in many people's eyes in Asia and Europe, US is a very violent nation that caused a lot of destruction on Earth and definitely needs a rival that stops it from doing what it wants to do. China is the best candidate.



Don't agree with that. You have a lot of bottlenecks in such projects. Money is only one variable. More money is not equal to more output. Forming a military industrial complex takes time. You need to have experienced engineers that has prior experiences in such projects. I mean think about it US makes stealth planes since 1980's and the R&D for it has started in 1970's. So there is a 40 years of experience. Hence it's not hard to say that the guy who started to work on stealth plane project in 70's and if that guy is still doing stealth planes today, that guy has 40 years of experience. That guy would probably be in his late 60's or early 70's. Think about how many engineers he trained for that project. Think about his know how. You can't buy trained and experienced technical person with money. You can raise them with time and with throwing a lot of projects in front of them. Money won't be a bottleneck for China, that's why throwing more money to R&D won't particularly be needed.

US pays a lot lease fees for hundereds of bases around the world. US military salaries are much more then China. US is involving in regular wars. US war machine rarely stopped since 1950. US military outsources services (like haircutting, cleaning etc.) to private US companies and pays for them, in China just like Turkey such services arr provided by soldiers for free or for low cost. Hence US has a lot of other reasons to have such a big budget.



Don't agree with it. China goes for asymmetrical development and investing heavily on game changers. That's why I expect that until China actually matches US with the raw size, there would be some game changers in the field which will mitigate the existing shortcomings.

ASAT is a good example. Carrier Killer surely causing a lot of headache. Hypersonic glider will definitely be a gamechanger and I bet Chinese development of this project is closely monitored by CIA and Pentagon. J-20 is a game changer.

If J-20 is actually not observable by US radars, I wouldn't worry much about the size of my navy in SCS. You guys have the logistics advantage in the area. There are hundereds of air bases where China can lift a plane. How about US? If J-20 won't be detected by US radars China would probably turn SCS into a logistical nightmare for US Navy.

Very well written, and an excellent objective appraisal of the situation, my friend @Lure ! Excellent, mate. Your post is like a breath of fresh air in this section --- as i have grown quite tired of the same rhetorics.

To just add a minor point of conjecture to your posting(s) here --- let me address some key and vital points in bold head for our friends (the readers):

• China and the Philippines have never had a war nor a conflict
• China and the Philippines, in ancient and modern history -- have always been trade partners and civilizational peers
• China's contribution to Philippine Colonial History in terms of national thought and development was through the genesis of Filipino patriots , many of whom were actually of Chinese ancestry (without China's existence or domestic entrenchment in Philippines, these patriots would have never been -- ergo, Filipno National Hero , Dr. Jose P. Rizal -- actually is a Chinese Huaren).
  
• The Philippines most brilliant and successful entrepreneurs are actually Filipino-Chinese, in fact most of the Billionaires in the Philippines are Chinese Huaren.

This irrational perpetuation of 'fear' of China is actually not new. The Spanish , in trying to consolidate their control of the Philippines during the colonial epoch , had implemented draconian laws that tried to exclude and isolate and repress the Chinese immigration in the Philippines, ergo, anti-Sangley Laws. The Spanish perpetuated racial stereotypes of Chinese as being subvertists, which had led to Filipno native people to develop an anti-Chinese perception, artificially. I suppose the Americans, in their necessitization of controlling the Philippines , have utilized diplomatic and political encouragment to draw upon that historical anti-Chinese notion in the Philippines, which was artificially created by another western imperialist interventionist power, Spain.

 

[jhungary]

LOL, all my comment were deleted by the insecure Chinese moderator in this section.

Well, all I can say is, I got a lot of time (REALLY A LOT) on my hand, I am between job and I am a quite capable person who were trained with Military Intelligence and I can play mind game pretty well.

To the Chinese monitor who were stalking me and try to delete everything I say negatively about Chinese Government, I hope you have a lot of time on your hand as I will simply post more and more.

I have no doubt that China (Mainland) will reach GDP per capita status in level with Japan and South Korea, very soon. I would even deign to estimate within 1- 1.5 decades' time. Just due to the shear growth of such a massive economy that is China's. Even as Western analysts claim Chinese growth of 7% as being tantamount to collapse, i'm sure our Western colleagues would wish to have such a growth rate in their respective economies. LOL. Seriously, growing at 7% and be a $12 Trillion USD economy is something enviable for greatly developed states such as Japan, United States, United Kingdom, Germany, South Korea et al.

It is impossible for China to grow to the size of Japan or US per Capacity, to do that, the Chinese Fascist Regime literally have to murder 800 millions people to reach to that goal.

Getting high per GDP per capita is easy enough to pull out when you have a relatively small population, however, China have a 1.3 billions of a population, not all of them are able to reach the average level as in the west, and those people will need to be look after by the Government. But being a fascist government, they have to control or police their own people, otherwise they will lose control on their own population, when the wealth gap eventually hit a unacceptable level, which the riches is exceedingly rich, and the poor are exceedingly poor. The Chinese government would need to assert control to those people, either by subsiding them or lock them all up in jail. Either way, it would means a liability to the economy growth.

Another point is that China is not a developed country, and it can have 7% growth to the point where they still have room to expand, however, this cannot be expected forever, the 2016 growth forecast projected from 5.7 to 6.5 and even the Chinese Government themselves are not quite certain that they can reach that, it is most likely because they had stayed in 2nd industry for quite long and now they have attracted competition, in the future, we will see a slide down or slow down Chinese economy growth, and an increase of surrounding country. Namely India, Vietnam, Philippine and Thailand. If Chinese were wise (Which I highly doubted it) they would start invest in these emerging economy and switch from 2nd to 3rd, and reap reward in the next 10 or so year.

In short, for Chinese growth will stall when they hit about 170%-200% of US economy at which point the China are forecasted at 3-4% growth, which is about 50% per capita to the developed country, such as US, Japan and Singapore (Which equal to around $25,000).Unless drastic population measure that will lead to drastic change in population.

I think we have to learn to analyze nation-specific and region-specific interactions outside the confines of western media and web searches. Have you gone to google and typed up "Japan China Relations" ? Results from western media sources herald a situation that seems as if war will erupt any day now, LOL! I always find it hilarious and also insulting when American or British news agencies reporting the dire situations between Japan and China --- more so than even the Japanese and Chinese themselves, LOL.

In all fairness, did you actually think China and Japan enjoyed a amicable relationship?

Set aside all the historical irking, let's talk about this geopolitically happening today.

Japan support of Taiwan on Chinese-Taiwan issue.
Japan-US Mutual Defence Pact is an Threat to China
Japan Nationalize of Senkaku Island
Japan-Chinese economic competition.
Japanese Support of Own Nationalism.

Almost all of them are solvable when you choose China over Taiwan, disengage the US MDP, return Senkaku to China, it would be harder for Japan to bend down to China in economic front, it is however, doable, but the last bit would mean Japanese give up to be Japanese.

The very good indication between China and Japan relation gone awry is that Japanese, while not in the intensity than in 1938, support of its own Japanese nationalism, the keeping of position of Emperor, the visiting of the shrine, the practice of Bushido, and the Spirit of Yamato, those are all what China look at as a threat. History aside, being Japanese is being part of all that, but being Chinese, they hated all that. So, the bigger question is, would you stop being a Japanese just for the sake of the Great Asian Union? Because I cannot see such thing happen unless Japan drop its nationalism.

As an academic and who has extensive contacts with Chinese academics --- we all agree on the historical grievances. Besides that one particular static point in history, the developments since then out-rival any peer-to-peer interactions on all levels, bar none. One has to find objective news pieces and journals for information, not only sensationalist media outlets.

I don't quite know what kind of academic you are practicing, and what kind of Chinese academic you are talking to, the problem is quite honestly beyond historical difference. I have been living in China, I have been living in Hong Kong, I know first hand how the atmosphere that gets between China and Japan, and if you say you don't see any of these tension literally could be cut by a knife, then I would say you did not look for it.

Comrade your wasting your time with these fools

He is probably looking for a job in China now you can see all his post are now pro-China

US pays a lot lease fees for hundereds of bases around the world. US military salaries are much more then China. US is involving in regular wars. US war machine rarely stopped since 1950. US military outsources services (like haircutting, cleaning etc.) to private US companies and pays for them, in China just like Turkey such services arr provided by soldiers for free or for low cost. Hence US has a lot of other reasons to have such a big budget.

While I am in no mood in responding to all the wild allegation. One thing you got it dead wrong is how US pay their soldier. Which obviously a point you don't even bother to actually look up before you post.

US pays its soldier lousy salary. You earn < $1800 a month (which is $21,600 a years) as a private (or E-2, non-recruit) in all US Armed Force Branches. And pays its officer (O-1) < $2900 a month which equal to $34,800 a year for University Qualified Entry Officer.

US GDP per capita is $54,000 where degree qualified candidate range at $47,000 to $51,000 a years, Hence a normal E-2 is earning less than half of what National GDP Per capita (both nominal and PPP) and an Officer is about 60% while it's only 74% salary if they look for job in private sector.

Not known about how enlisted personnel pays in PLA, I happened to know a PLA Officer who I went to college with in Hong Kong. He earn about 8900 RMB a month, however, he also said the pays is depending on your jobs and he was at the high end of it (because he have been in longer and was educated outside china) So say we have set the average Officer salary to 6900 (2000 RMB less than my school chump a month and the low end earn less than half my friend earn), it means the average officer earn 82,800 RMB a year, which according to today interest rate, about $12,600 USD, compare to Chinese GDP of $8300 a year (nominal) and $14,190 (PPP). Chinese PLA is obvious a winner

Military Pay Charts

The rest of your point, meh....

 

[Lure]

US GDP per capita is $54,000 where degree qualified candidate range at $47,000 to $51,000 a years, Hence a normal E-2 is earning less than half of what National GDP Per capita (both nominal and PPP) and an Officer is about 60% while it's only 74% salary if they look for job in private sector.

Monthly salary for military cadre up to $826

A chinese soldier makes 5373 yuan which makes 817 dollars as of today which is roughly 1/3 of what a us soldier makes which supports my point.

Educate yourself before you try to educate others.

 

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Monthly salary for military cadre up to $826

A chinese soldier makes 5373 yuan which makes 817 dollars as of today which is roughly 1/3 of what a us soldier makes which supports my point.

Educate yourself before you try to educate others.

Dude, what you quote were in 2011 (actually by the end of 2010 to be exact. A strange omission which said literally on your reference itself where you did not carry on with your post.) When My friend salary in 2015. By the way, he is in the Engineering Branch

Or you are saying Chinese Fascist Regime is so cheap that even tho in:

2011-2012, they have about 9.3% GDP Growth
2012-2013 they have about 7.76% GDP Growth
2013-2014 they have about 7.75% GDP growth
2014-2015 they have about 7.3% GDP growth

They still don't bother to raise the salary one bit?? So even today, if I were to join the PLA, I still got paid 5400 yuan on average?? WHAT A CHEAP FASCIST....

6,900 RMB average would mean they have a mean raise of 5% from 2011 to 2016. Which is quite normal for governmental job, bear in mind the US Government have a mean rise of 5.5% and Australian Government have a mean rise of 7.4 %. (By the way, I was aware of your reference, I intentionally left blank when I calculate the average, and you felt for it. LOL you are easy, eh, thank you for helping me set you up)