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Kiyani Demands US Limit Drone Attacks and Operations

thats another attitude from pakistan that everybody has become against you. do you know what, we are sadly sadly divided by ethnic lines, .

sorry he is not "PAKISTAN" but a single bigoted person who is blinded by hatred on sectarian and ethnic bases more or less a Taliban apologist in denial so dont brand his view over every Pakistani here.... ok??
see how other Pakistanis ridicule and oppose the attitude of such people in almost every thread.

for me there is no difference of Pakistani or Afghani taliban, both are the murderers of innocent people and are the cause of the instability, fear and obstruction to development, education and progress. Drones are an effective and cheaper tool to use against them.

The terrain doesn’t allow a conventional war in the area so if terrorists want to take advantage of the rugged terrain why not nullify their advantage with better technology? The only issue is the collateral damage and that’s what has been conveyed to the Americans.

I cant care less if the a recently drone killed terrorist was operating in Pakistan only or attacking Afghan cities as long as there is one less terrorist that’s all I care. And also there is no written code or oath taken by these terrorists that the Afghan Taliban wont operate in Pakistan and TTP wont operate in Afghanistan. They feedl on each other and help and aid each other so they both need to be targeted either by drones of Pakistan Army.

Time and again it has been stressed that Pakistan Army is already too stretched for men and material to launch any more attacks so drones are covering areas where it is unable to. Since they have taken out TTP leadership too so they are actually helping.
 
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ISLAMABAD: A total of 957 Pakistani civilians were killed in American drone attacks in the country 2010, the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said in its annual report on Thursday.

The report that focused on human rights violations in the country also laid an emphasis on terror attacks in 2010, according to Xinhua.

It said terrorist attacks in Pakistan left 2,542 people dead and 5,062 others injured in 2010.

"Target killings" in the country's port city of Karachi saw the death of 237 political activists while in the southwestern province of Balochistan, at least 118 people were killed, the report said.

At least 1,159 people, including 1,041 civilians, lost their lives in 67 suicide bomb attacks in the country.

During 2010, at least 12,580 people were killed in different incidents, including 791 honour killings. A total of 581 people were kidnapped for ransom.

The report, whose statistics were derived largely from media and other undisclosed sources, criticised the government for failing to protect the citizens, especially religious minorities.

It said the biggest terrorist incident took place in Lahore at a place of worship place of a religious minority. The attack left 99 members of the Ahmadi sect dead.

The commission officials, in the report, urged political parties to work together to improve the human rights situation in the country.

US drones killed 957 Pakistani civilians in 2010 - The Times of India
 
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So far, the US has shown no signs of trying to understand the situation in Pakistan or the growing anti-drone sentiment here.
Drone after drone will violate Pakistan's airspace and kill a dozen innocent people for each militant killed. They should use surgical operations rather than fire missiles from the air. Otherwise the region will turn violent and pose a problem for Afghanistan next door, as well as for Pakistan itself.

Maybe its time that Pres. Zardari started to lobby for a US understanding of the situation rather than shine his personal profile.
 
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So far, the US has shown no signs of trying to understand the situation in Pakistan or the growing anti-drone sentiment here.
Drone after drone will violate Pakistan's airspace and kill a dozen innocent people for each militant killed. They should use surgical operations rather than fire missiles from the air. Otherwise the region will turn violent and pose a problem for Afghanistan next door, as well as for Pakistan itself.

Maybe its time that Pres. Zardari started to lobby for a US understanding of the situation rather than shine his personal profile.

And while people keep repeating the taliban lie that drones kill more innocents than they do targets public anger will continue to grow.

Since 2006, there have been 1,834 leaders and operatives from Taliban, Al Qaeda, and allied extremist groups killed and 129 civilians killed. Data for 2004 and 2005 are not available at this time.

The Long War Journal - Charts on US Strikes in Pakistan
 
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And while people keep repeating the taliban lie that drones kill more innocents than they do targets public anger will continue to grow.



The Long War Journal - Charts on US Strikes in Pakistan

My dear you are not living in Pakistan and certainly not in the present also.Total civilian casualties have been estimated to be 1000+ uptill now.
The world has seen recently the striking of the drone missile on its own US soldiers.This incident demonstrats how much accurate they are in killing insurgents.

Pakistan Assessment 2011
 
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My dear you are not living in Pakistan and certainly not in the present also.Total civilian casualties have been estimated to be 10000+ uptill now.
The world has seen recently the striking of the drone missile on its own US soldiers.This incident demonstrats how much accurate they are in killing insurgents.

Pakistan Assessment 2011

Does it say anywhere in the article anything about drone strikes?

It is a list of casualties from all causes including the terrorists, F-16's and artillery, strange i dodnt know the US was responsible for any of those.
 
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I am amazed that
Kiyani Demands US to Limit Drone Attacks and Operations ...:azn:
Tomorrow he will ask USA to implement Islamic Sharia inside Pakistan...:woot:
I want these drone strikes to bring Islamabad into their strike range so that we get rid of our corrupt ruling elite too....cuz our Army and govt both failed to defend our innocent pplz...:P
 
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@irfan baloch sir I asked you a very simple question yesterday today in one of your posts you say you are very happy to see one terrorist killed but you completely forgot to mention that ten are born because of it .... a DA gives ppl the justification to go and kill everyone it creates more problems then it solves it's one of the many reasons ppl are becoming extremists don't you agree? and as being a think tank member you would know the effectiveness of these attacks more than me but one poster mentioned above it's only 6% so u think all this is still justified ? wouldn't you just agree it's a dumb move on the part if Pakistan army chief to go there and ask them to stop and they do it while he's there ??????? think like a neutral person doesn't it make us all I mean ALL silly ?
 
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If drone attacks are completely stopped I believe Pakistan army can win this war because they will gain upper moral ground as long as they continue the terrorists have a reason to gain sympathies of the locals!!!!!!
 
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How many times did the idiots in the government ask for access to the drone technology? The fools don't even realize that there is no way the US is sharing that tech with us.

There are other firms that make drones capable of firing missiles. So our government should just ask clearance from the concerned countries to give clearance for the sale to proceed. We can probably get ToT for pretty decent drones and resume the strikes ourselves, maintaining our sovereignity.

Oops, I forgot. Our President is...

1) They know that they might not get Drones, they are not asking Drones to start anti terrorist operations, they are trying to use the occasion to get a technology which will come handy against India.
They do not need drones because they have foot soldiers on Ground. Even if they need to use drones, they can do it like today, ask US for their help. I am positive they will oblige you, did they ever denied you? Then why do you need the technology. You do not have a valid argument.

2) The reason they are not starting operations in NW is not to do with unavailability of drones, it has to do with if at all they want to make more enemies.

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Chulo jee musla he khathum thanks to mr rabbit We can say good bye to a good discussion brother seriously you don't know what you are talking about you come here and start complaining Pakistan only wants drone to tackle India no we want drones because every time a super power attacks our country we feel very sad and helpless so we need this technology to maintain the sovrenity of our country !!!!
 
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we should say kiyani to stop smoking and start drink milk it may be help us and bring back his mind.
 
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Interesting read

Pakistan vs U.S. Dumbing down the drone debate


If there was one thing the United States might have learned in a decade of war is that military might alone cannot compensate for lack of knowledge about people and conditions on the ground. That was true in Afghanistan and Iraq, and may also turn out to be the case in Libya.

Yet the heated debate about using Predator drones to target militants in the tribal areas of Pakistan – triggered by the spy row between the CIA and the ISI – appears to be falling into a familiar pattern – keep bombing versus stop bombing. Not whether, when and how drones might be effective, based on specific conditions and knowledge of the ground, and when they are counter-productive.

Combined with that is a tendency to discuss the use of drones in isolation without taking account of the historical context (Pakistan and the United States have been rowing about this for several years – it is not new) or indeed the broader political context (a botched drone attack by the CIA is guaranteed to enrage all the more if it comes at a time when American diplomats are trying to convince Pakistan they want to improve relations.)

Consider, for example, the case of a tribesman with a performing monkey who gathered an audience of turban-clad, rifle-bearing men around him in a village in 2005. The U.S. controllers of the drone mistook the event for a weapons-training session or military briefing and dropped a missile, killing many in the audience. That story was recounted by General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani, now head of the Pakistan Army, and quoted by Brian Cloughley in his book “War, Coups and Terror”. “This, said the General, was an example of lack of cultural understanding,” wrote Cloughley.

Then there was the botched drone attack on Damadola in Bajaur agency in 2006 – by some accounts it was intended to target al Qaeda deputy Ayman al Zawahiri. According to the Pakistani version, many women and children were among the victims of the strike, enraging the local population, driving them into the arms of local Taliban militants and fuelling a ferocious insurgency which took the Pakistan military several years to contain.

In language that could have been written today (and it has) the Guardian reported at the time that Pakistan had lodged a strong protest with the Americans over the attack and “the strained relation between Pakistan and the U.S. has been pushed to breaking point.” It blamed the botched attack on faulty intelligence on the ground.

Compare that, though, to the killing of Baitullah Mehsud, leader of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), in a drone strike in 2009. His death was welcomed by Pakistani authorities, and indeed by many ordinary Pakistanis who blamed him for bomb attacks in Pakistan. Good intelligence. Specific target. And probably the high point of cooperation between the United States and Pakistan over the use of drones.

Just last month, a senior Pakistani military officer was quoted as saying the drone attacks were effective, and most of those killed were hard-core militants, including foreigners.

But then another drone attack in North Waziristan in March killed more than 40 people, prompting a furious condemnation from Kayani, who said it had targetted a jirga of tribal elders. Remember this is the same man who complained about U.S. lack of cultural understanding in 2005 – there is some consistency here.

The timing – just after CIA contractor Raymond Davis was released from a Pakistani jail – could hardly have been worse. It raised questions about whether the drone operators were working completely independently of their political masters who at the time were engaged in trying to patch up relations with Pakistan soured by the Davis affair. (So much for U.S. aspirations to put together an integrated military-civilian-political strategy.)

Those same questions on timing came up this week when a meeting between ISI chief Lieutenant-General Ahmed Shuja Pasha and CIA director Leon Panetta in Washington to repair counter-terrorism cooperation was followed two days later by another drone attack. “It may have been for a very good reason and a quality target, but the politics of it look a little insensitive,” the New York Times quoted former CIA officer Bruce Riedel as saying.

It is difficult to predict the outcome of the latest row between Pakistan and the United States. The chances are the use of drones will continue, because under the right circumstances they can be useful to both countries. But at risk of stating the obvious, airpower needs good intelligence on the ground. While some have suggested that Washington go it alone without Pakistani help, the United States does not have a great track record in the kind of cultural expertise and linguistic skills that would allow it to hire its own reliable spies, let alone identify targets and avoid killing large numbers of civilians.

Of course there are other issues. The deep distrust between Pakistan and the United States which goes back to 9/11 and indeed before. The perception in Pakistan that drone attacks are an assault on its sovereignty, regardless of whether they are sometimes effective – a perception that bolsters support for, or at least tolerance of, Islamist militants. The arguments of those who either reject the use of force altogether in the tribal areas, or find the unmanned Predator a particularly troublesome weapon.

But all that said, dumbing down the debate on drones into what is effectively a reframing of the “with us or against us” dichotomy is unhelpful. More interesting would be a discussion of how and when Predator drone strikes might or might not be effective; and indeed on how the drone missile programme, whose use is still officially a secret, might be integrated into overall strategy rather than operating on a moral, legal and geographical frontier whose rules none of us know.

REUTERS-Myra MacDonald
 
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