King Abdullah of Jordan warns of “massive conflict” if Israel proceeds with annexation

[Naofumi]

Do you think that I am completely unfamiliar with South Asia? Your map shows the prevalence of languages spoken. In that orange area, 100's of different ethnic groups and languages are spoken.

Yup, you're completely ignorant about that Orange region, Hindi is spoken. In fact 40% Indians speak Hindi.

There is no such thing as an "Indian" ethnicity. Indian is a 73 year old nationality. Modern-day Indians are some of the most diverse people on the planet who belong to 100's of different ethnic groups while speaking a similarly large number of different languages.

I am afraid that you are just embarrassed that you do not know which ethnicity you belong to. Your ancestors were most likely low caste Hindus who converted to Islam to leave the oppressive dynamic of Hindu society of the time. I have read scholarly work that talk about how most Indian Muslim converts are converts from the lowest castes in Northern India.

Lol, Indian is not an ethnicity but Arab is? Lol, caste and ethnicity are same? where? Scholarly works of Saudi University? My ethnicity is Urdu-Hindi-speaking or we say North Indian, and caste-baradari-surname is Shiekh which is a myriad of castes converged under Muslim rule, lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaikhs_in_South_Asia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Kayasths

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Way to co-opt our civilisation. Make a small correction. The Arab peninsula was never the cradle of civilisation. It was Mesopotamia and Egypt, inhabited by Bablynonians, Sumerians abd Egyptians. IVC has never had any Arab component. The closest it has had is some relation to Elam, which is ofcourse Persian and your sworn enemy.

Maybe you should educate yourself a bit instead of remaining illiterate? Dilmun, Sumer, Magan, Al-Magar, Thamud etc. are all native civilizations to Arabia which predate IVC and those that you have mentioned. Mesopotamia is/was Semitic and there is no difference, nor even a geographical barrier, between Arabia and Mesopotamia. In fact all of Southern Iraq is geographically a part of Arabia. Mesopotamia is a historical region. Just like Eastern Arabia is. Hijaz is. Southern Arabia is. Northern Arabia is. All those are closely related Semitic civilizations native to the Arab Near East. Closely connected linguistically, genetically and culturally. They are all a part of the Arab heritage whether you like it or not. We are their sons and daughters.

We are talking times that predate modern-day ethnic groups genius, at the time of those civilizations there was no Persian (who appeared in history 2500 years ago, 500 years prior to Arabs), Arabs, Pakistanis etc. Elam was not Persian either you clueless clown. They were not even Iranic nor did they speak any Iranic language. They spoke a LANGUAGE isolate. And they are located in Al-Ahwaz the Arab inhabited area of Iran next to Iraq.

The historical facts remains the same. The world's most ancient civilizations and cities are located in the Arab near East. Created by sons and daughters of the soil. Entities that can only be claimed by modern-day Arabs as we are their descendants.

 

[Naofumi]

Some historical inaccuracies, but a good read.

The Muslim rule had a deep impact on the language of Punjab by whatever name you call it. What we know as contemporary Punjabi is the product of socio-cultural and religious interaction between the locals and new comers. We find Natha poetry of the Natha Order in the tenth and eleventh centuries, vocabulary of which now sounds unfamiliar and archaic.


Immediately after the Natha poetry, we come across the religious literature of Ismaili Shiites of Multan in the form of hymns called Ginan. The Ginans are a kind of bridge between the Natha compositions and contemporary Punjabi, showing the language in transition. They have indigenous words as well as borrowings from the Arabic and the Persian.


During the Ghazni rule, Mas’ud sa’d Salmon, born in Lahore in the 11th century, wrote his poetry both in Persian and Hindavi (the Punjabi). He loved Hindavi as much as he loved Lahore. His much referred to Hindavi poetry unfortunately seems to have been lost.


A phenomenal figure who transformed the literary and cultural course in Punjab was Fariduddin Mas’ud, fondly called Baba Farid Shakarganj, a highly revered saint of the Chishti Sufi order. He was born in 12th century in Kothewal, Multan.


Though schooled in Arabic and Persian as was the tradition, he chose local language, his mother tongue as a medium of poetic expression which not only set the precedent to be followed by the later classical Punjabi poets and writers but also laid the foundation of contemporary Punjabi.​

https://www.dawn.com/news/787859/language-the-rise-of-the-persian-and-the-early-punjabi

Correct, I agree with every bit.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Yup, you're completely ignorant in that Orange region, Hindi is spoken. In fact 40% Indians speak Hindi.

Lol, Indian is not an ethnicity but Arab is? Lol, caste and ethnicity are same? where? Scholarly works of Saudi University? My ethnicity is Urdu-Hindi-speaking or we say North Indian, and caste-baradari-surname is Shiekh which is a myriad of castes converged under Muslim rule, lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaikhs_in_South_Asia

Langauge = ethnicity? Hindi is the lingua franca of Northern India, does not change the fact that there is no such thing as an Indian ethnicity. Never was in history. It is a 73 year old nationality only. There are 100's of different ethnic groups and languages in India, Northern India included. Do you deny this well-known reality?

Shaikhs (Arabic name), sounds very "Indian". Anyway you don't need to tell me that you are not aware of your ethnicity, I know the history of Northern Indian Muslim converts (Urdu speakers) and I have read scholarly works that talk about how many of them were low caste converts, including so-called "untouchables". That part of India (among Hindus) is ironically also the most "caste obsessed" of India. Connect the dots.

 

[Materialistic]

Wow, this thread is about Israel-Jordan coming face to face on west bank annexation and we are discussing legitimacy of Jordan as a nation, puppet king, ancient maps, races and languages of subcontinent - all except the real issue.
Pls stop feeding trolls, ignore them!

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Urdu is a dialect or Dari? Since when?

More pure Urdu becomes synonymous with Dari.

If you are familiar with Urdu poetry, this is always the case.

Allama Iqbal eventually ditched the colloquial Urdu spoken in his time for a more pure Urdu which is so similar to Dari that it is taught and read in Afghanistan and Iran in its original form.

Wow, this thread is about Israel-Jordan coming face to face on west bank annexation and we are discussing legitimacy of Jordan as a nation, puppet king, ancient maps, races and languages of subcontinent - all except the real issue.
Pls stop feeding trolls, ignore them!

Yes, back to the topic.

 

[Naofumi]

Langauge = ethnicity? Hindi is the lingua franca of Northern India, does not change the fact that there is no such thing as an Indian ethnicity. Never was in history. It is a 73 year old nationality only. There are 100's of different ethnic groups and languages in India, Northern India included. Do you deny this well-known reality?

Not only language, it's a related cuisine and culture too called Hindustani, go figure.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

baradari-surname is Shiekh which is a myriad of castes converged under Muslim rule, lol.

Full circle. So you an Arab descendant too.

Sheikhs are originally Arabs.

 

[Falcon29]

I suggest you read a little more around the concept of "Greater Israel". Whether they have such designs in mind or not is not something I am privy to, however to claim they have no territorial claims outright is rather naive. As for the latter part of your comment, numbers do not guarantee anything.

Its sounds more to me you are trying create imaginary threat to make Arabs appear even weaker and to distract forum audience from Iran's meddling in Arab and Muslim nations. Saudi's, Jordanians, and Gulf Arabs need to focus on Iranian threat and destructive policies to the east of them. If Israel does anything out of the ordinary then those to the West of it will deal with them.

 

[Naofumi]

Full circle. So you an Arab descendant too.

Sheikhs are originally Arabs.

Nope, in Punjab Shaikhs are descended from Khatris, in Gujarat Lohanas. In fact, Indian Muslims were called Shaikh Zada under Mughals. In other regions, it's a myriad of castes.

 

[Philosopher]

Its sounds more to me you are trying create imaginary threat to make Arabs appear even weaker and to distract forum audience from Iran's meddling in Arab and Muslim nations. Saudi's, Jordanians, and Gulf Arabs need to focus on Iranian threat and destructive policies to the east of them. If Israel does anything out of the ordinary then those to the West of it will deal with them.

I am afraid if anything is imaginary here it is your view of what I am doing. This thread has nothing to do with Iran, I am not sure why you are apparently obsessed with bringing Iran into every middle-east thread.

 

[Naofumi]

The second last column is for Indian Muslims other than Rajputs.

Nope, in Punjab Shaikhs are descended from Khatris, in Gujarat Lohanas. In fact, Indian Muslims were called Shaikh Zada under Mughals. In other regions, it's a myriad of castes.

They were myriad of castes assimilated as "Shaikhs"​

 

[Falcon29]

I am afraid if anything is imaginary here it is your view of what I am doing. This thread has nothing to do with Iran, I am not sure why you are apparently obsessed with bringing Iran into every middle-east thread.

This thread has everything to do with Iran. You publish these threads in order to shape perspective of Pakistani's on Arabs. By exaggerating a threat they face by Israel. On the ground no one, nor Iran is going to war with Israel or see reason for it at the time being. Most threats Arabs face are from Iran and not imaginary 'greater Israel' of yours. Iran's policies in region don't have anything to do with Israel like you try to deceive forum audience of. They are Iranian nationalist policies that claim territories of Arab nations. You guys don't even care about Palestinians or find interest in their conflict. It's not sincere. So stop using their cause as means to advance your anti-Arab propaganda.

 

[Philosopher]

This thread has everything to do with Iran. You publish these threads in order to shape perspective of Pakistani's on Arabs. By exaggerating a threat they face by Israel. On the ground no one, nor Iran is going to war with Israel or see reason for it at the time being. Most threats Arabs face are from Iran and not imaginary 'greater Israel' of yours. Iran's policies in region don't have anything to do with Israel like you try to deceive forum audience of. They are Iranian nationalist policies that claim territories of Arab nations. You guys don't even care about Palestinians or find interest in their conflict. It's not sincere. So stop using their cause as means to advance your anti-Arab propaganda.

Do me a favour and do not waste my time with these paranoid conspiracy theories. You are just taking the thread off topic. If you need attention, seek it elsewhere.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Not only language, it's a related cuisine and culture too called Hindustani, go figure.

I will try again. Which scholarly work anywhere on the planet talks about an "Indian ethnicity" as you claimed? Is it a lie when I correctly state that India (the modern-day 73 year old entity) is one of the most ethnically, racially and linguistically diverse areas of the planet home to literally 100's of distinct ethnic groups?

The difference between say an Indian from Tamil Nadu and an Indian from Rajahstan is far greater than any difference in the Middle East, let alone the Arab world. Or the Mongoloid Northeastern provinces of India. India, in terms of ethnic and linguistic diversity, is a continent of its own. There is no similarly between Pakistan, which is composed of 4 main native ethnic groups, Bangladesh (1 main ethnic group = Bengalis), Nepalis or Sri Lankans (Sinhalese, Tamils and the Moors who claim Arab ancestry and supposedly are a mixture of Arab merchants/settlers and Tamils).

Muslims of Northern India are not a unified or even an ethnic group. They are a cultural/religious group. Hence your talk about culture and cuisine (lol). Those people belonged to a huge variety of ethnic groups etc. before they adopted the Muslim identity. Later they adopted Urdu/Hindi which is also heavily influenced by foreign tongues not native to Northern India that I already explained.

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

From what I have read about this topic and my interaction with Pakistanis and Indians, there is no such thing as an "Urdu ethnicity" as @Naofumi is falsely claiming. For instance after speaking with some Pakistani users about this topic, in connection to another topic about Arabs in Deccan, Gujarat and Hyderabad etc., I was told by them that the Urdu-speaking Mohajirs of Pakistan have a very varied origin. Spanning from the Deccan, Bihar and many other areas of India. By no means where they ever an "ethnic group", more of a Muslim community that spoke/adopted Urdu.

I would appreciate if you could elaborate on that and explain why this individual is trying to turn Punjabis and Sindhis into "Indians".