King Abdullah Centre for Inter-religious and Intercultural Dialogue

[Solomon2]

The KAICIID Dialogue Centre (King Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz International Centre for Interreligious and Intercultural Dialogue) was founded to enable, empower and encourage dialogue among followers of different religions and cultures around the world...and has major objectives of facilitating intercultural and interreligious dialogue as a humanely strategic forum for cooperation, communication, partnership and information exchange - thereby building understanding and mutual benefit among peoples of the world...KAICIID has further goals of promoting human rights, justice, peace and reconciliation plus acting against the abuse of religion as a means to justify oppression, violence and conflict; promoting abiding societal cherishment for the preservation and sacredness of holy sites, as well as respect for religious symbols; including focusing on compassionate issues pertaining to: the dignity of human life, preservation of the environment, ethical matters, poverty alleviation and religious education.

As detailed with the assistance of the Saudi Press Agency excerpts at my website, all these fine-sounding things have been re-defined. Here are the SPECIFIC objectives of the Center, as planned back in 2008:

• "Dialogue" and communication are strictly about the one-way promotion of Islam.
• If any uncomfortable idea from the non-Muslim world enters Muslim minds those afflicted are to be deprogrammed.
• Social injustice may not be used as a justification to overthrow a government controlled by Muslims.
• Criticism of Islam is to be criminalized, preferably with the help of the U.N.
• The responsibility for any terrorism committed by a Muslim lies with the victim as the reason for such violence is "slander" against Islam.

There's more, just read it all here and here.

 

[Arabian Legend]

My website may not be as pretty as most but in every culture I know of it isn't considered polite to tell the host you're visiting that his home is "a nasty hole". Saudis used to be known for being well-mannered; is that changing now?

Ok My apology but what you have posted earlier was a cheap shot

I agree. I listed fifteen of them, as cited by the Saudi Press Agency. You have not cited any specific errors in my article so I presume it is the objectives of the Saudi-sponsored Inter-religious dialogue you object to, not my analysis. So why be angry at me?

No you put it out like Islam is a new subject that needs to be introduce to the world when in reality your ignorance about Islam is the issue. The mission is to enhance dialogue and bring understanding and help build bridges b/t different faith. You basically twisted the whole Ideal and misused the SPA to support your theory.

... we wish to enhance interreligious and intercultural dialogue in order to foster respect, understanding and cooperation among people.

... we seek to use dialogue to promote justice, peace and reconciliation and to counteract the abuse of religion to justify oppression, violence and conflict.

... we desire to promote mutual respect and understanding among followers of different religions and cultures.

... we hope to promote a responsible way of living the religious and spiritual dimension of individuals and society.

... we intend to promote respect and preservation of the sacred character of holy sites and religious symbols.

... we propose that dialogue be used to address the contemporary challenges to society, such as dignity of human life, preservation of the environment, sustainable use of natural resources, ethical and religiouseducation and poverty alleviation.

... we believe in Dialogue as the best and only way to achieve respect and reconciliation.

... we acknowledge the initiative of King Abdullah, the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques and the support of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the Republic of Austria and the Kingdom of Spain in founding the Centre.

... we reaffirm the purposes and principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, in particular the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.

... we uphold the principles and values of human life and dignity, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion.”

THE KAICIID VISION


VISION

Religion as enabler of respect and reconciliation.



MISSION

Acting as a hub, facilitating interreligious and intercultural dialogue and understanding, to enhance cooperation, respect for diversity, justice and peace.



ROLE

The Centre will act as a hub among followers of different religions and cultures, empowering others already working in the field of dialogue and promoting harmony and cooperation.



STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES

Generate, develop and disseminate knowledge in the area of Interreligious and Intercultural dialogue;
Cultivate and promote respect for differences through dialogue;
Create bridges, address conflict and promote collaboration amongst diverse groups.

KAICIID - The Vision

Could you be more specific as to what you have in mind here? Try to be as detailed as possible, please.

NVM.......let me get back to you later

 

[Arabian Legend]

All of them pro khomeini?

Lol, Mike Davis is backing up his claims using Hafez Mohammed book suicide bomber in Iraq.

 

[Solomon2]

Ok My apology but what you have posted earlier was a cheap shot

It isn't an apology if you add "but".

No you put it out like Islam is a new subject that needs to be introduce to the world when in reality your ignorance about Islam is the issue.

From point number five:

The statement emphasized that dialogue is one of the most important outlets through which Muslims can perceive the world, and achieve a set of goals, the most important of which is to introduce Islam​

Was there an error in the SPA's translation to English? You tell me.

The mission is to enhance dialogue and bring understanding and help build bridges b/t different faith.

That's the mission statement. What it MEANS was decided in 2008.

You basically twisted the whole Ideal and misused the SPA to support your theory.

What theory? I'm not the one who went about re-defining words of a foreign language to fulfill my political goals, am I?

NVM.......let me get back to you later

Please do. I hope that what you have in mind will be much more wholesome than this depraved plot of the Saudi royals.

If you still think I'm the one doing the twisting, just check out the reports from the subsequent Madrid Dialogue - especially the complaints that its final, closing, "agreed-upon" statement was made without the input of non-Muslim participants.

 

[flamer84]

Crucially, KAICIID has further goals of promoting human rights, justice, peace and reconciliation plus acting against the abuse of religion as a means to justify oppression, violence and conflict; promoting abiding societal cherishment for the preservation and sacredness of holy sites, as well as respect for religious symbols; including focusing on compassionate issues pertaining to: the dignity of human life, preservation of the environment, ethical matters, poverty alleviation and religious education.

What is this nonsence? What human rights? You're not allowed to build a church in KSA and they talk about promoting religious tolerance?!? Slap me twice and call me silly!

 

[Arabian Legend]

What is this nonsence? What human rights? You're not allowed to build a church in KSA and they talk about promoting religious tolerance?!? Slap me twice and call me silly!

If Muslims can have mosques in the vatican city then you can have churches in KSA.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

If Muslims can have mosques in the vatican city then you can have churches in KSA.

Impossible

 

[flamer84]

If Muslims can have masques in the vatican city then you can have churches in KSA.

Vatican city is like 10 meters wide man) ...The residents are the the pope,bishops,priests and some of their auxiliaries...you can't compare it to a full fledged nation like KSA.

Now,I can understand the Holy cities of Mecca and Medina but not the whole country.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Vatican city is like 10 meters wide man) ...The residents are the the pope,bishops,priests and some of their auxiliaries...you can't compare it to a full fledged nation like KSA.

Now,I can understand the Holy cities of Mecca and Medina but not the whole country.

I'm sure that a good friend of mine like yourself will understand that soon.

 

[flamer84]

I'm sure that a good friend of mine like yourself will understand that soon.

Well,on a basic note i'm a "their country,their rules " kind of guy,but in that light you just can't come and talk about human rights ,religious tolerance when you forbid other religious establishments in you country.Yes,no mosques in Vatican city,a 4,5 square kilometres "city" only in name but there are mosques in Italy. Let the UAE,for example,to talk about such things ,they are more tolerant.

 

[al-Hasani]

Well,on a basic note i'm a "their country,their rules " kind of guy,but in that light you just can't come and talk about human rights ,religious tolerance when you forbid other religious establishments in you country.Yes,no mosques in Vatican city,a 4,5 square kilometres "city" only in name but there are mosques in Italy. Let the UAE,for example,to talk about such things ,they are more tolerant.

Let me tell you why that is. There are no indigenous Christians in KSA. The last Christian and Jewish communities in fact even some kingdoms existed was before the appearance of Prophet Muhammad (saws). There are some Christian "saints" originally from KSA though and some rather famous pre-Islamic Arabs who were Christian.

Hatim al-Tai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Isaac of Nineveh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It would be like demanding Romania to built Hindu temples 80 years ago. For what reason exactly?

The only Christians are guest workers who are not citizens let alone staying on the long term. Aside from a few thousand converts at most who often leave the country altogether.

Besides there are rooms of worship in compounds. Yes, rules are one thing following them is another thing.

Moreover Saudi Arabian people are very religious people and coming from the land of Prophet Muhammad (saws), the Prophets before him, the Sahabah, all the earliest and Arab Caliphs, famous clerics etc. Besides Makkah and Madinah. It's not your average country.

Maybe all this will change in the future. I don't know.

 

[flamer84]

Let me tell you why that is. There are no indigenous Christians in KSA. The last Christian and Jewish communities in fact even some kingdoms existed was before the appearance of Prophet Muhammad (saws). There are some Christian "saints" originally from KSA though and some rather famous pre-Islamic Arabs who were Christian.

Hatim al-Tai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Isaac of Nineveh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It would be like demanding Romania to built Hindu temples 80 years ago. For what reason exactly?

The only Christians are guest workers who are not citizens let alone staying on the long term. Aside from a few thousand converts at most who often leave the country altogether.

Besides there are rooms of worship in compounds. Yes, rules are one thing following them is another thing.

Moreover Saudi Arabian people are very religious people and coming from the land of Prophet Muhammad (saws), the Prophets before him, the Sahabah, all the earliest and Arab Caliphs, famous clerics etc. Besides Makkah and Madinah. It's not your average country.

Maybe all this will change in the future. I don't know.

And i respect what you've said and agree with it,all i've said is that,in this situation KSA can't talk of interfaith tolerance.They're not suited for this thing because they are,as you've pointed out,a special country with a special part to play in Islam.

Btw,i owe you one from another thread which was closed.
900 years ago europeans we're not living in caves ,yes those were black medieval times but they were still building this :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame_de_Paris

or this :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak_de_chevalliers

 

[al-Hasani]

And i respect what you've said and agree with it,all i've said is that,in this situation KSA can't talk of interfaith tolerance.They're not suited for this thing because they are,as you've pointed out,a special country with a special part to play in Islam.

Btw,i owe you one from another thread which was closed.
900 years ago europeans we're not living in caves ,yes those were black medieval times but they were still building this :

Notre Dame de Paris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

or this :

Krak des Chevaliers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would beg to differ her my friend. KSA is a multicultural country. We have many Christians, Hindus, Buddhists etc. who live in our country. Citizens or not. They are a constant presence. Let alone all the different nationalities. KSA is the USA of the Arab world in terms of immigration. Just look at how many of our Pakistani brothers and sisters here who live in KSA.

LOL, I was joking. You know how old the Middle East is. The cradle of civilization and all that. Let me refrain myself. It was SOUTHERN Europe that was evolved. Let us not get into Russia, Scandinavia and those likes. Most of those countries first came to existence less than 1000 years ago.

There have been Arab/Muslim travelers to Europe in that part of the world well over 1000 years ago and they described societies there. Even encountered Vikings, LOL.

 

[flamer84]

I would beg to differ her my friend. KSA is a multicultural country. We have many Christians, Hindus, Buddhists etc. who live in our country. Citizens or not. They are a constant presence. Let alone all the different nationalities. KSA is the USA of the Arab world in terms of immigration. Just look at how many of our Pakistani brothers and sisters here who live in KSA.

LOL, I was joking. You know how old the Middle East is. The cradle of civilization and all that. Let me refrain myself. It was SOUTHERN Europe that was evolved. Let us not get into Russia, Scandinavia and those likes. Most of those countries first came to existence less than 1000 years ago.

There have been Arab/Muslim travelers to Europe in that part of the world well over 1000 years ago and they described societies there. Even encountered Vikings, LOL.

The ME and Europe always completed and build upon each other,often shifting power between them throughout the centuries.We had Babylon,ancient Egypt,Assyria and after them came the greeko-roman world who build on the formers knowledge and expanded their power in the ME.After those came the byzantines but they were dislodged by the arabs who extended their rule even on mainland Europe,Spain,Sicily,etc.The arabs took the greeco-roman knowledge and expanded it,in that time most of the europeans lost that knowledge.
Afterh the 15th century the balance again shifted,Europe took arab knowledge and improoved it,and so on.Let's hope that this continuos flux and information and inter approachement will continue,not the wars though.Hope those remain in medieval times.

 

[al-Hasani]

Now you are here Flamer84. You probably know that some of the Arab world was under "Soviet influence" or even allies. In the case of Southern Yemen they were even COMMUNISTS for a time. Only Arab region/country in the world to be that. Yes, those were horrible times myself being anti-communism.

Many Arabs went to Eastern Europe for studies because the communistic states in Eastern Europe or in the Warsaw Pact had free universities and cooperation with the Soviet friendly Arab countries.

My question is then if some of those Arabs came to Romania as well? I know it is off-topic and I apologize but that's the only question I have. Don't know where otherwise to post it.