Killer of Amjad Sabri arrested in Karachi

[Silicon0000]

PPP is problem , plus MQM its self fail to control the criminals and corrupts in there column.

They all are problems and the real problem is their are only problems and no solution. People have to choose which problem is less destructive.

 

[HAIDER]

They all are problems and the real problem is their are only problems and no solution. People have to choose which problem is less destructive.

Well, atleast CM Sian is cleaning the Gujar nala, which MQM supposed to be done long ago....

 

[Silicon0000]

sorry for being little emotional but it happens when you came after tiring drive and seeing only problems around you. Just today I saw police is stopping people and checking their documents even their car insurance documents but didn't bother to clear the traffic jam right on the opposite lane.

Well, atleast CM Sian is cleaning the Gujar nala, which MQM supposed to be done long ago....

yeah seen that myself, cleaning it but didn't bother to take action against traffic problem caused by encroachments right next to it. Anyway it's good at least some thing is done.

 

[HAIDER]

sorry for being little emotional but it happens when you came after tiring drive and seeing only problems around you. Just today I saw police is stopping people and checking their documents even their car insurance documents but didn't bother to clear the traffic jam right on the opposite lane.



yeah seen that myself, cleaning it but didn't bother to take action against traffic problem caused by encroachments right next to it. Anyway it's good at least some thing is done.

That is traffic department extreme corruption. They want to abolish , can be done overnite.

 

[Amaa'n]

Let me start off by saying that nobody can be denied entry in to federal, or provincial, positions based on their political affiliations.....by LAW.

it may not be an issue as per Civil Service act but it may be an issue for the Agency you seem to work for? because that is what I recall, you had said you were associated with one of the LEA?? anyhow -----

Next, let me state that although I do favor MQM over every other political party in Karachi, I could have considered PML(N) had they tried to infiltrate the politics of Karachi by giving us Karachiites water, public transport (air conditioned buses, trains and a metro system based on train and bus/tram like other international cities of this magnitude etc.), cleanliness and other general civic services, law and order and rights etc. but they failed to grasp this golden opportunity when MQM was on the back foot and PPP delivering nightmare after nightmare.

And finally, on this topic, I have stated time and again that I vote for MQM but would rather see Musharraf at the head of MQM in the place of Altaf Hussain. However, the change of power must be through the people and by severing any communication that AH has with Karachi, with the assistance of UK authorities. By arbitrarily calling MQM supporters and voters traitors, you and people like you are forcing us to support MQM as Karachi has been left to the mercy of PPP and its thugs for far too long.

let me just stop you there, no one is denying the right to vote to Karchiites, nor is someone accusing them of committing murders, all that is being said is get rid of your party leadership --- something which was going by the name" minus Altaf hussain" formula till last year ------ it is same as PML (N) voters, as long as they keep coming to his rallies, that delusional fool will keep getting the false idea of leadership & mandate support ----- this needs to be stopped, if you have a rotten egg sitting at the top, stop supporting him

The rangers have had policing powers for around 10 years altogether and maybe around 2 years since 2000. However, we were still bearing their service cost while not getting any service from them for so many years.....what was the point? Why weren't they sent packing during those years and the money spent on rehabilitation of the LEAs? We are spending more on 10k Ranger personnel then the entire police force......can that be justified? Why not pay the common policeman more money and more facilities to the point where it does not make sense for him/her to indulge in petty street crimes, framing innocents and perform snap checking for collecting bribes
Infact, let's forego the past, what are we doing for the future? Can we ever get rid of the Rangers? Can we? With so many facilities and comforts of the city, with so many avenues of financial benefit and growth, can we ever get rid of Rangers and build on policing?
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I have said this in my private discussions with friends but let me say this here again, one of the reason Military did not involve itself in the capacity building of Police force was because that would take the lime light away from them, which they would not like ---- but now we have come a little too far down this road and going back will take time --- you will have to work on building Police first and then ask for removal of rangers. I have said earlier as well with Rangers leaving the city there will be a void not in terms of Man Power but in terms of Tech & experience they bring to the city ----- Police is politicized, demotivated, corrupt from bottom to top ---- take example of SSU, i believe it is one of the well equipped Police ATS in the country as of now, that achievement goes to PPP, but why have they not used this force for protecting the public, rather put them on use for their personal protection ??

 

[Imad.Khan]

The comment wasn't meant to impress you but rather to convey that you are discussing this with some one who is mature and aware. Although, I am not really confident that I was able to convey the point.





With your spelling mistakes and your low grade cheap wordings, I am getting the feeling that you are not very competent. But I would still like to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Let me ask you something, do you guys believe that MQM supporters are anti-state elements and that we, who support MQM, are Indian agents? Because if that is your mentality then there is no point in arguments.



The question was, what have the rangers achieved in the past 27 years of their deployment in the city? Can their existential cost, in the city, justify their service? Would this amount not have served the Government and the City better spent on local LEA's, their capacity and integrity building?

And are the Rangers personnel involved in water hydrants and water tanker mafia, land grabbing and some legitimate business ventures in the city? Can any of that be justified?

I am also Karachi born, but I am a Pukhtoon. I have also seen first hand how MQM people collect bhattas, and harass Pukhtoons, but i don't believe that all MQM supporters are anti-state, they just think that MQM is the best party for their needs.

P.S. i am not an ANP supporter

 

[Tair]

Sad...Culprits should be punished severely no matter which group he belonged... i dun see pakistanis getting out of ethnicity votings, issues anytime sooner... even the most educated persons cant liberate themselves from ethnic ties n prejudices...

Khi has become hugely populated with expanded boundaries, i doubt eradicating mqm wud solve the issue... Areas in khi is distributed among political parties...ppp, sunni tehrik n anp's hands are blooded too. They are equally involved in land grabbing, china cutting n mafias but only mqm is targetted. Khi will not be in peace unless law is enforced.

Till then R.I.P. Karachi

 

[Mav3rick]

Bhai Jaan we used to salute the stupidity of your likes when that drunkard from London used to sing songs and threaten people on television all the time.Thank God he has been banned from the media.

If anis qaim khani is responsible for baldia than that is because he was the deputy convenor of mqm and he should also face the music..Imran farooq ,Tariq azeemi the list just goes on and on of the people your party has killed in the name of racial discrimination or bhata khori

Fortunately, you do not have to salute anybody's stupidity as all the MQM supporters on this forum denounce Altaf's speeches and his stupid acts.

The rest of your post is out of context and does not merit a response.

it may not be an issue as per Civil Service act but it may be an issue for the Agency you seem to work for? because that is what I recall, you had said you were associated with one of the LEA?? anyhow -----

I am associated with an intelligence agency, it is not the same thing as an LEA. However, my services can be transferred to any federal LEA, if required.

And my agency is well aware of my voting rights and my voting history. You know why it isn't an issue? It's because my agency is well aware of my competencies and my achievements for the country. For me, the country comes first, ahead of any political preference.

let me just stop you there, no one is denying the right to vote to Karchiites, nor is someone accusing them of committing murders, all that is being said is get rid of your party leadership --- something which was going by the name" minus Altaf hussain" formula till last year ------ it is same as PML (N) voters, as long as they keep coming to his rallies, that delusional fool will keep getting the false idea of leadership & mandate support ----- this needs to be stopped, if you have a rotten egg sitting at the top, stop supporting him

What people have only recently started saying, I have been saying for the past 10 years or more. I very openly state that Altaf Hussain is mentally unstable and has not been fit to lead the party for the past 10 years atleast.

However, the change must come from within and must not be imposed on us, the more people of Karachi are cornered and decisions imposed on us, like minus one formula, the more MQM and Altaf get stronger.

If I had a position where these decisions are taken, I would have advised them to force UK authorities to take AH in 'protective' custody, to hold him in isolation and seclusion and to sever all his contacts with the outside world. Then, I would slowly and gradually have introduced Musharraf into MQM, at the top......by taking onboard the senior leadership of MQM. Musharraf, ofcourse, is a person who is acceptable to all Karachi and so an MQM with Musharraf at the top would have been excellent for both MQM and Pakistan.

I strongly disagree with the way the establishment is handling MQM......and MQM alone. It is as if there is no target killer, extortionist, dacoit, china cutter, land grabber, kidnapper and terrorist in any other party including PPP. The targeted operation, against MQM, cannot be justified when bigger fish are not touched. By all means go after the bad eggs in MQM and make them an example, but do the same in interior Sindh as well.

I have said this in my private discussions with friends but let me say this here again, one of the reason Military did not involve itself in the capacity building of Police force was because that would take the lime light away from them, which they would not like ---- but now we have come a little too far down this road and going back will take time --- you will have to work on building Police first and then ask for removal of rangers. I have said earlier as well with Rangers leaving the city there will be a void not in terms of Man Power but in terms of Tech & experience they bring to the city ----- Police is politicized, demotivated, corrupt from bottom to top ---- take example of SSU, i believe it is one of the well equipped Police ATS in the country as of now, that achievement goes to PPP, but why have they not used this force for protecting the public, rather put them on use for their personal protection ??

Mark my words, Rangers will never leave. The charm and benefits of the city of Karachi will never be compromised.

 

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[Amaa'n]

I am associated with an intelligence agency, it is not the same thing as an LEA. However, my services can be transferred to any federal LEA, if required.

And my agency is well aware of my voting rights and my voting history. You know why it isn't an issue? It's because my agency is well aware of my competencies and my achievements for the country. For me, the country comes first, ahead of any political preference.

my dear, you don't really have to tell me the difference b/w an LEA & Intelligence Agency, i was merely doing you a favor by not stating that or being specific about it ------
and for having love affair with a political party, i doubt they will turn a blind eye to it, they know what you write in SVA forms and what you actually do ----

What people have only recently started saying, I have been saying for the past 10 years or more. I very openly state that Altaf Hussain is mentally unstable and has not been fit to lead the party for the past 10 years atleast.

However, the change must come from within and must not be imposed on us, the more people of Karachi are cornered and decisions imposed on us, like minus one formula, the more MQM and Altaf get stronger.

If I had a position where these decisions are taken, I would have advised them to force UK authorities to take AH in 'protective' custody, to hold him in isolation and seclusion and to sever all his contacts with the outside world. Then, I would slowly and gradually have introduced Musharraf into MQM, at the top......by taking onboard the senior leadership of MQM. Musharraf, ofcourse, is a person who is acceptable to all Karachi and so an MQM with Musharraf at the top would have been excellent for both MQM and Pakistan.

return of Musharaf is not possible with current political leaders in place, those who vowed to drag him through hell & hang him by the goose neck would never allow to see him at respectable place,so you can brush that thought away ---- Ch.Nisar tried doing that, but he couldn't push the UK authorities enough, he did not have what they were looking for, we couldn't bring a better offer to the table

 

[Mav3rick]

my dear, you don't really have to tell me the difference b/w an LEA & Intelligence Agency, i was merely doing you a favor by not stating that or being specific about it ------
and for having love affair with a political party, i doubt they will turn a blind eye to it, they know what you write in SVA forms and what you actually do ----

Thanks for the clarification.

And there is no love affair with any political party, the love affair is with the city and what is best for the city. Give me a better option and I will embrace it with open arms.

return of Musharaf is not possible with current political leaders in place, those who vowed to drag him through hell & hang him by the goose neck would never allow to see him at respectable place,so you can brush that thought away ---- Ch.Nisar tried doing that, but he couldn't push the UK authorities enough, he did not have what they were looking for, we couldn't bring a better offer to the table

Never say never, Kayani left Musharraf to hang dry but the current Military leadership is made of a different material and so the above can still happen.

 

[Musafir117]

Karachi: Dispelling media reports, the Karchi police chief said on Sunday that nobody had been arrested in connection with the murder of renowned Qawwal Amjad Sabri yet.

A day earlier, TV news channels had reported a suspect had been held in connection with the killing and he had confessed to not only his involvement in the crime, but also disclosed the names of his accomplices.

Additional IG Karachi Mushtaq Mehar, however, rejected the reports asserting that nobody had been arrested so far.

“Several people were detained on the suspicion of their involvement in the murder but they were later released after no evidence was found against them,” he added.

The official also denied issuing the suspect’s picture, which was showed by TV channels.

Following widespread reports of a crucial arrest in the Amjab Sabri murder investigation, in a statement issued by the city's police department on Sunday, a spokesman clarified that news reports aired on certain television channels about the police having arrested a person for carrying out the murder were "baseless and not true".

However, in the statement, the spokesman, Qamar Zaib Satti, mentioned that there had been certain positive developments in the case, but refrained from sharing further details of the progress made till now.

The statement added that the police was pursuing the matter with complete dedication and if any accused was arrested, relevant information would be shared with the media and public at the earliest. Sabri was gunned down in Liaquatabad on June 22.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/137350-No-arrests-in-Amjad-Sabri-murder-case-yet-says-police-chief
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It's couple of hours ago statement

 

[Super Falcon]

Why would any one kill a harmless man like sabri !!??

Money MQM needs money to run itself

 

[RoadRunner401]

we, who support MQM,

This explains why are you so much against Rangers, please feel free to tell us, what do you suggest the solution should be, keeping in mind that taking Rangers out of Karachi and bringing back corrupt to the core police force to please you or any other political party is out of question.

 

[Mav3rick]

This explains why are you so much against Rangers, please feel free to tell us, what do you suggest the solution should be, keeping in mind that taking Rangers out of Karachi and bringing back corrupt to the core police force to please you or any other political party is out of question.

To discuss anything within civil boundaries, let me ask you the purpose of Rangers force......is it meant to police the cities and its own citizens? Do they have training for this purpose and understanding of the law? Is there any oversight over the activities of Rangers in Karachi? Are there examples of excesses during arrests including illegal arrests and detention as well as deaths in Rangers custody? Has anything been done about that?

Should I go on?

The solution is quite simple really, a police force that is from Karachi under a Mayor who is elected by Karachiites. Solution to all problems. We Karachiites are educated, literate citizens and we will throw out anyone who does not serve this city, in a truly democratic environment........ofcourse when the CM is imposed from interior Sindh, with no stake in Karachi and full administrative control over budget and LEAs, there is nothing much for us to do but to vote for MQM and pray for the best.........you cannot expect to leave us at the mercy of PPP.