Kill Switch Killed in Kamra

[Genghis khan1]

I don't know that one, would you Sir, kindly oblige?

If USA bugged Iraq's printers (among other things), while it was allied to it against Iran, it is perfectly possible for the US to have bugged the PAF F-16s. Many subsystems and components are sealed, and cannot be opened in the F-16. And there are millions upon millions of lines of code.

Malaysians found that their F-18s didn't function as effectively, and had a host of troubles against Singaporean combat aircraft. I wonder how that happened and how professionals can ignore all of this info.

Apple is under law suit for slowing down their IPhone right before the launch of the new IPhone. Unless You know the software Inside, manufacturers can do anything and you will not know about it.

 

[Tom_Cruise]

The Vipers are monitored, especially the Block 52+ aircraft but not in the same desired manner as the myth that's out there.

You're presumably referring to the US end use monitoring (EUM) program that comes under all FMS?

https://www.army.mil/article/192447..._the_key_to_success_in_foreign_military_sales

 

[DarthTerror]

@MastanKhan Its hard for them to swallow that their front like fight can be easily compromised. People are uploading random pic to prove their credibility or make a point, non of which address the actual issue. While my post being deleted. Nonetheless I have another Show for the gullible Folks.

Jadoo guys.

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Uhh that's a specifically modified F-16 to function as a drone. It's called a QF-16 and the US does the same with other jets, like the F4 Phantom. Ofc that requires modification of avionics and addition of sub systems in the cockpit. It's not like every F-16 can do this. Your argument is completely irrelevant here.

Some of the arguments made here are down right ridiculous. GPS is a one way receiving system only. An aircraft using GPS does NOT have to emit any signals.
And the notion of F16 sending telemetry data back to the US is equally ridiculous. What're they sending the data back through? The WiFi at the air bases? fighter jets do not even have a data link with satellites and that is the reason they always have to fly with tankers when doing cross ocean flights, to rely on the link of the tanker and more obvious, the fuel.
If F16s are monitored then it's more than likely done by the US personnel at the bases.

 

[The Raven]

I don't know that one, would you Sir, kindly oblige?

If USA bugged Iraq's printers (among other things), while it was allied to it against Iran, it is perfectly possible for the US to have bugged the PAF F-16s. Many subsystems and components are sealed, and cannot be opened in the F-16. And there are millions upon millions of lines of code.

Malaysians found that their F-18s didn't function as effectively, and had a host of troubles against Singaporean combat aircraft. I wonder how that happened and how professionals can ignore all of this info.

And yet even after the alleged Turkey incident, the Turks went ahead and became partners in the F-35, and had it not been for the S-400 deal, they would have had one of the largest fleets of the F-35. The Malaysians, they're still considering the Superhornet. Both these airforces must be quite retarded if they find these bugs, yet still continue to acquire equipment from the US, no? It seems our Vipers performed as expected on 27th.

 

[iLION12345_1]

thats the charm, the opportunities one gets being part of the Armed Forces.....i've been in aircraft, frigates, destroyers, subs (really), merchant navy ships.....this all apart from the army platforms....

A little off topic, but I agree. My experience has been similar, just having family members in the military can give you some cool opportunities, being a part of them is just the next level.
I remember getting to drive a tank when I was 11, absolutely magical experience for the military obsessed kid I was back then. And that wasn’t even 1% of it.

Really cool pictures btw.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Both these airforces must be quite retarded if they find these bugs

Why cant we modify or upgrade our Vipers, like the Turks do! We are restricted, Is it same with the older Falcons. Some how the Israelis and Turks do whatever they want with their birds. Although we are not NATO, but still are a major non NATO ally!

 

[Genghis khan1]

Uhh that's a specifically modified F-16 to function as a drone. It's called a QF-16 and the US does the same with other jets, like the F4 Phantom. Ofc that requires modification of avionics and addition of sub systems in the cockpit. It's not like every F-16 can do this. Your argument is completely irrelevant here.

Some of the arguments made here are down right ridiculous. GPS is a one way receiving system only. An aircraft using GPS does NOT have to emit any signals.
And the notion of F16 sending telemetry data back to the US is equally ridiculous. What're they sending the data back through? The WiFi at the air bases? fighter jets do not even have a data link with satellites and that is the reason they always have to fly with tankers when doing cross ocean flights, to rely on the link of the tanker and more obvious, the fuel.
If F16s are monitored then it's more than likely done by the US personnel at the bases.

You are wrong on everything expect drone part. Which we already know.

 

[blain2]

Putting a kill switch on a major weapon system is akin to signing your own death warrant or bankruptcy as a defense manufacturer. Nobody will EVER buy from that company again.

As such this fiction needs to be kept in the fiction section. What suppliers can possibly do is to provide specifications/frequencies and encryption algorithms of systems provided to the end users to a third party under political pressure. In that case too, it does not render the systems useless.

An example of this is what the French did for the British with regards to the Exocet system during the Falklands war.

 

[The Raven]

Why cant we modify or upgrade our Vipers, like the Turks do! We are restricted, Is it same with the older Falcons. Some how the Israelis and Turks do whatever they want with their birds. Although we are not NATO, but still are a major non NATO ally!

It all depends on the end user licence agreements which are mutually agreed bilaterally between the two countries. The Turks are part of NATO and as part of that they were allowed to licence produce the Viper and modify it with their own weapons to a certain extent. Israel...well, it's Israel, and we all know the relationship between the US and Israel, that should be obvious. With Pakistan, well despite its MNNA status...it is still Pakistan, and we all know the mutual "freinemy" relationship that exists between the US and Pakistan. If you want to know why the PAF can't use its Vipers to the same extent as Israel and Turkey, that would delve into geopolitical issues, and that's not the subject of this thread.

Putting a kill switch on a major weapon system is akin to signing your own death warrant or bankruptcy as a defense manufacturer. Nobody will EVER buy from that company again.

As such this fiction needs to be kept in the fiction section. What suppliers can possibly do is to provide specifications/frequencies and encryption algorithms of systems provided to the end users to a third party under political pressure. In that case too, it does not render the systems useless.

An example of this is what the French did for the British with regards to the Exocet system during the Falklands war.

And that is the single most important reason why there is no such thing as a "kill switch". If there were, the US' allies around the world would drop their relationships with the US faster than a hooker drops her knickers.

 

[Windjammer]

Putting a kill switch on a major weapon system is akin to signing your own death warrant or bankruptcy as a defense manufacturer. Nobody will EVER buy from that company again.

As such this fiction needs to be kept in the fiction section. What suppliers can possibly do is to provide specifications/frequencies and encryption algorithms of systems provided to the end users to a third party under political pressure. In that case too, it does not render the systems useless.

An example of this is what the French did for the British with regards to the Exocet system during the Falklands war.

Exactly, the kindergarten experts are reminded.....if the common man knew that the Toyota Corolla can have it's engine switched off at will by the makers then i wonder how long the company will survive just due to it's general reliability. With such a competitive arms market, even putting sanctions on a military product is thing of the past.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

It all depends on the end user licence agreements which are mutually agreed bilaterally between the two countries.

Although we Pakistanis love our Vipers and Falcons Immensely, they did come with a very heavy Geo political PRICE which we endured for decades. Saying that the very presence of these birds kept the Indians on their toes. Even with the new Rafales, they will never match our experience with this world class fighter spanning nearly four decades.

 

[Thorough Pro]

LOL at your simplicity

I think i once saw an image of a Greek F-16 cockpit displaying GPS co-ordinates on top-right panel. Is it possible that PAF F-16's GPS co-ordinates are also relayed/available to US? In war its a great advantage for an adversary to know where your assets are specifically located. In case of a full fledged war with India, if US decides to share that intelligence with India, then IAF would know exactly where to target their air raids and what data to feed the infamous spice.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

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Posting this thread based on the above image which was specially shared by the operator.
For many years, we were led to believe that PAF can not use it's F-16s without American approval, well 27th Feb. 2019 saw that myth shattered, however, the naysayers weren't finished yet and kept insisting that the PAF's new Block-52 are constantly monitored by US Personal who will not allow these jets to be deployed operationally other than from their dedicated home base. Also even the PAF Airchief's ride for 23rd March is thoroughly monitored before being allowed to operate from elsewhere. Well, i guess people in PAF do also come across these ludicrous claims. The above image should put an end to these misconceptions. As can be seen it's a fully armed PAF F-16 Block-52 operating out of Kamra.

after the Falcon shot down the NATO's most advanced and primary adversary i.e. the SU -30 Flanker, the Americans inside and outside Pakistan did this

Outside Pakistan.
dismissed the notion that Pakistan is restricted in the use of the F -16. saying that Pakistan is free to use the platform as it sees fit to defend its sovereignty within or beyond Pakistani airspace

Inside Pakistan
Americans inside Pakistan brought the sweets to celebrate with PAF personnel. PAF had done something which all NATO pilots train and aspire to achieve.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

This is so sad, the vast potential of our VIPERS is compromised because of these silly US provisions.

Why do you think Turkey is reluctant to get F-35 Trojan horses?? And, that too burning her own money...

The US folks are great at two stuffs - marketing (they can even sell Trojan horses, traitors, terrorists etc) and legal (usually put in miniscule fonts using the toughest sentence construction and vocabulary possible to deliver multiple meanings favoring only the US side)....

Few ASELSAN engineers embraced Shehadet via assassination to make the TurAF F16s Ozgur (Free). For a reason the avionics is called Ozgur for its the worth the price....

Remember an Egyptian F16 has been recently brought down. More to follow....

 

[airmarshal]

We need more F-16s.