Khatam-i-Nabuwat: Convert or face consequences, Ahmadis told

[KingMamba]

Okay one question to our Ahmmadi friends, how is Ghulam a messenger? He is not a prophet since he did not bring a book/ holy scripture and Muhammad (pbuh) was the last prophet. All the messengers like Nuh and Yusuf (pbut) were there to reinstate the word of Allah to the pagans, Ghulam so called "reinstated" God's word to the Muslims who were already following the teachings of the prophet, the Quran. We (they) accepted there was one god so we were not pagans. Explain

How can they explain that? How can they explain how their Mahdi failed to fulfill the very duties that the Mahdi is supposedly going to fulfill? Of that Jesus was supposed to fulfill? Or that Hindus believe the Kalki will fulfill (yeah he claimed that too)?

 

[syedali73]

Sir Zafarullah Khan, a follower of Qadyani faith and the foreign minister of Pakistan, was present at the funeral prayers of Quid-e-Azam but he did not take part in the prayers, instead remained in company with the foreign dignitaries who were also present at the occasion but obviously (being non-Muslim) did to take part in the prayers. Someone asked Sir Zafarullah Khan for why he did not take part in the funeral prayers. Sir Zafarullah Khan replied "You consider me as a non-Muslim minister of an Islamic state or a Muslim minister of a non-Islamic state".

Basically he said, being a Qadyani, he does not recognize Muslims as Muslims. And this is true... As Muslims do not consider Qadyanis as Muslims, Qadyanis also do not view Muslims as Muslims. Sometimes back @Horus has made some interesting observation on this by bringing about some quotation from Mirza Saheb's book.

 

[Musafir117]

Very confuse
If Jesus ES come back again would He tell to the Christians that what I teach you was not perfect not complete and I'm come again to teach you Islam now and please accept Islam.
Very confuse
If Allah Said "Kulu Nafisan Ziakatul Mout " What was than Jesus ES is he was a Spirt (as Christians believe) so He was/is (coz still alive) not Nafas?

 

[KingMamba]

Very confuse
If Jesus ES come back again would He tell to the Christians that what I teach you was not perfect not complete and I'm come again to teach you Islam now and please accept Islam.
Very confuse
If Allah Said "Kulu Nafisan Ziakatul Mout " What was than Jesus ES is he was a Spirt (as Christians believe) so He was/is (coz still alive) not Nafas?

I think you need to brush up on your knowledge of Islamic theology. First Muslims do not believe he preached anything but the one religion of God, it was the Christians who later on went and changed his beliefs and what resulted was the religion we call Christianity today. So it is not what Jesus taught that was wrong but what Christians believe he taught that is wrong.

 

[SQ8]

I want Pakistan destroyed and Under the ocean with all its inhabitants in it (Ill send you a Rubber Dinghy @Armstrong ).

Because any nation that bans Pop Tarts DESERVES to be blown into oblivion.

 

[Musafir117]

I think you need to brush up on your knowledge of Islamic theology. First Muslims do not believe he preached anything but the one religion of God, it was the Christians who later on went and changed his beliefs and what resulted was the religion we call Christianity today. So it is not what Jesus taught that was wrong but what Christians believe he taught that is wrong.

But my confusion remain there, So His arrival again He teach us Islam?
And go to preach Christians to convert to Islam? Why Allah Send a prophet to us who He send to Jews?
Why not Abraham Es or Moses Es?

 

[salmanACCA]

Rejoicing on who's death? Where?

Now answer my question, when your Imam Mahdi comes and someone rejects him will they remain a Muslim? Don't change topic and for once a question too.

He wont come in india unlike your ghulam ahmad thanks to non muslims support,there is a certain criteria which will be fullfilled in Mecca and people will take bait on his hand there and muslims will be united and powerfull unlike in ghulam ahmad case where they were slaves of the colonial empire

 

[KingMamba]

But my confusion remain there, So His arrival again He teach us Islam?
And go to preach Christians to convert to Islam? Why Allah Send a prophet to us who He send to Jews?
Why not Abraham Es or Moses Es?

According to end times hadith he will descend in a time of war against the dajjal. He will defeat the dajjal along with the Mahdi, so no he will not teach Muslims Islam as they already know Islam but he will lead Muslims after the death of the Mahdi. No he will not preach to Christians, if you read the hadith you will see that it is said that he will kill swine and break the cross. The purpose of this act will be symbolic and once the Christians see Jesus PBUH do such things they will realize the errors of their ways. I cannot answer why Allah swt does anything he wills. Both Abraham PBUH and Moses PBUH have passed and there is no mention of their return in either Quran or Sunnah.

 

[salmanACCA]

Ghulam ahmad stole his father money and ran away from home

 

[syedali73]

Ghulam ahmad stole his father money and ran away from home

I'll strongly suggest you to avoid taking cheap personal shots. You may not like Mirza saheb but there are tens of thousands who follow him. We have no right to hurt their feelings. See, it is this intolerance that has sent us deep into the hole we currently are in.

 

[SHAMK9]

U have a right to be hindu,sikh,christian and jewish in pakistan but we will never accept ahmadis

Go f**k yourself, Pakistan ap ke abbu ki jaidat he?

 

[Metanoia]

Go f**k yourself

You're talking to a guy who is trying to compensate by displaying "ACCA" in his profile name on an online defense forum

 

[Musafir117]

According to end times hadith he will descend in a time of war against the dajjal. He will defeat the dajjal along with the Mahdi, so no he will not teach Muslims Islam as they already know Islam but he will lead Muslims after the death of the Mahdi. No he will not preach to Christians, if you read the hadith you will see that it is said that he will kill swine and break the cross. The purpose of this act will be symbolic and once the Christians see Jesus PBUH do such things they will realize the errors of their ways. I cannot answer why Allah swt does anything he wills. Both Abraham PBUH and Moses PBUH have passed and there is no mention of their return in either Quran or Sunnah.

Forgot about Dajjal and killing swines breaking cross for once, I'm worry about Muslims Ummah first as
The Holy Prophet (PBUH) said, 'Prayers will be neglected, carnal desires will be pursued, transgressors will become leaders, it will not be possible to distinguish the faithful from the false, telling lies will become desirable, payment of Zakah will be taken as a burden, the believer will be deemed the most disgraceful and he will be pained at seeing evils all around and his heart will melt as salt in water but he will not be able to say anything. Rain will do no good; it will fall out of season. Males will commit adultery with males, and females with females. Women will dominate. The offspring will disobey their parents, friend will treat his friend badly, sins will be taken lightly. Mosques will have external decorations and beauty and there will be worshippers too but there will be hypocrisy and mutual enmity in their hearts. Then will appear a people from the West who will dominate the weak among my people. People will produce copies of the Holy Quran in letters of gold but will not act upon it. The Quran will be recited in a melodious way. Usury will become rampant. Human blood will have no value, religion will have no helpers. Singing women will be on the increase. The rich will perform the Hajjas as a pastime, the people of the middle class will do so to conduct business and the poor to beg for charity."
So this all above happens before of Jesus Es Arrival or After Him? If that before him does He not guide Muslims first to put them back on track the real Islam? Or all Muslims automatically turn again Mutaqi without teaching them?

 

[Musafir117]

^ is these not happening right now specially in Pakistan? Or we go further more worst before His Arrival?

 

[syedali73]

Forgot about Dajjal and killing swines breaking cross for once, I'm worry about Muslims Ummah first as
The Holy Prophet (PBUH) said, 'Prayers will be neglected, carnal desires will be pursued, transgressors will become leaders, it will not be possible to distinguish the faithful from the false, telling lies will become desirable, payment of Zakah will be taken as a burden, the believer will be deemed the most disgraceful and he will be pained at seeing evils all around and his heart will melt as salt in water but he will not be able to say anything. Rain will do no good; it will fall out of season. Males will commit adultery with males, and females with females. Women will dominate. The offspring will disobey their parents, friend will treat his friend badly, sins will be taken lightly. Mosques will have external decorations and beauty and there will be worshippers too but there will be hypocrisy and mutual enmity in their hearts. Then will appear a people from the West who will dominate the weak among my people. People will produce copies of the Holy Quran in letters of gold but will not act upon it. The Quran will be recited in a melodious way. Usury will become rampant. Human blood will have no value, religion will have no helpers. Singing women will be on the increase. The rich will perform the Hajjas as a pastime, the people of the middle class will do so to conduct business and the poor to beg for charity."
So this all above happens before of Jesus Es Arrival or After Him? If that before him does He not guide Muslims first to put them back on track the real Islam? Or all Muslims automatically turn again Mutaqi without teaching them?

All the above would happen before Isa. However, before Isa, another thing would happen, and that is the Army's with black flags coming out from the Khorasan. It is said that they'll defeat the enemies of Islam and bring about peace in Islamic territories before gathering in Syria (to fight with the forces of Dajjal), where Isa will descent to lead the Muslim troops to fight with Dajjal. Hazrat Isa will descent not for preaching the religion, but simply to lead the Muslims troops against the great fitna of Dajjal and to kill him.

Some Muslim scholars do not believe in these prophecies though, for instance Javeid Ahmed Ghamidi, but such scholars are in great minority. I have heard the debates from Ghamidi saheb and also from Dr. Israr Ahmed on this very subject, and found myself agreeing with Dr. Israr Ahmed.

Wa maa `alayna illa al-balagh.