Khan Syed Mehsud Alias Sajna replaces Hakimullah Mehsud as new TTP chief

[Solomon2]

I think the answer is obvious and you already know it , why teach/remind me of my country's history ? The " Armed Forces of Pakistan " or the " high command " is already faced with a lot of blames and public/political pressure and cant go on the offensive openly , you need the nation to be united which it unfortunately isn't . They are divided on the issue...If they were capable of , they would have done that by now , wouldn't they have ?

This is a "baggage" issue. For generations Pakistan has lacked leaders who were fully legitimate: they exercised power unconstitutionally or undemocratically. Pakistanis then saw legitimacy in consensus or unity. But Pakistan has had two leaders now who reached power constitutionally through elections. Why should they not have the exercise their authority to act without consensus? Abraham Lincoln squeaked through reelection by inches but he did not concede either policy or power to his very popular opponents both within and without his administration.

The terrorists aren't ready to talk on the Govt's terms as you assume there -

They don't have to be. They need to be opposed by will and right, not just might. Negotiation isn't as important right now as the gov't dictating its terms for surrender.

Decide who's your enemy first until then , you are confused as a nation .

That makes a public political agenda by the leadership even more important, yes?

Even the Sri-Lankans knew of the common enemy but the Pakistanis do not , majority considers -

Stop

Seeking

Consensus!

Courting consensus either enshrines paralysis, empowers the mob, or suggests that a politician is useless/deceitful.

 

[BATMAN]

^^ No one in Pakistan was confused about terrorists.. there are no buyers of them, they only had enemies in Pakistan.
Only terrorists are confused, and there strategic partners are printing confusing news.

i have posted video above, which clearly defines that its Iranian loyalist northern alliance which works in tandem with India.... on same lines as they worked in Baluchistan during Zia era.

 

[Secur]

This is a "baggage" issue. For generations Pakistan has lacked leaders who were fully legitimate: they exercised power unconstitutionally or undemocratically. Pakistanis then saw legitimacy in consensus or unity. But Pakistan has had two leaders now who reached power constitutionally through elections. Why should they not have the exercise their authority to act without consensus? Abraham Lincoln squeaked through reelection by inches but he did not concede either policy or power to his very popular opponents both within and without his administration.

They don't have to be. They need to be opposed by will and right, not just might. Negotiation isn't as important right now as the gov't dictating its terms for surrender.

That makes a public political agenda by the leadership even more important, yes?



Stop

Seeking

Consensus!

Courting consensus either enshrines paralysis, empowers the mob, or suggests that a politician is useless/deceitful.

Leave the past for now , there's no point in apportioning the blame , what is done , is done . Will and right , sure but the former appears to be absent here for now . A better option is to use brute force to bring the rest to the negotiating table . Stop seeking consensus ? That was possible during Musharraf's military rule where he used force on every single entity challenging the writ of the state and involved in terrorism . Things might get real messy in the political setup , you do not seem to have an idea of what part " religion " plays in Pakistan , the Taliban having " beards " are still considered Muslims by a lot of people .

^^ No one in Pakistan was confused about terrorists.. there are no buyers of them, they only had enemies in Pakistan.
Only terrorists are confused, and there strategic partners are printing confusing news.

i have posted video above, which clearly defines that its Iranian loyalist northern alliance which works in tandem with India.... on same lines as they worked in Baluchistan during Zia era.

Maybe , just maybe you do not realize it , but Taliban are considered just , fair and fighting for a righteous cause by majority of our countrymen and that is the ground reality , which honestly means a confusion about the identity of the enemy - religious in nature . The F.A.T.A and to a large extent the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa are all ready to embrace the rule of Taliban , just like the Swatis were , before they learned their lesson . If you cant decide the enemy and keep blaming everything on others , how are you going to fight it ? Did you see the T.V. coverage after the terrorists leader was killed in drone strike ? The nation appeared as if in mourning and grief stricken and the political leaders and the religious scholars talked as if a peace lover has died , a great leader had been killed by U.S . Born and bred through an extremist ideology from the Soviet invasion supported by Arabs . So , Taliban are getting help from Northern Alliance and Shia Iran ? Baluchistan is a completely different case from the religious terrorism in the North West . Reserve it for later , the scope of this thread doesn't cover that . Those jokes of " single video " proving everything aren't considered serious/even worthy of mention in these discussions .

 

[Solomon2]

Stop seeking consensus ? That was possible during Musharraf's military rule where he used force on every single entity challenging the writ of the state and involved in terrorism .

Here is a man who reveals no idea of the legitimacy that democracy brings. There must be millions of literate Pakistanis just like him. That's pretty sad.

Things might get real messy in the political setup , you do not seem to have an idea of what part " religion " plays in Pakistan , the Taliban having " beards " are still considered Muslims by a lot of people .

Time for a leader to start squeezing religion out. Let the PML-N highlight "Muslim" as much as Germany's CDU emphasizes "Christian". That requires ideological development - you might want to get to work on that.

Maybe , just maybe you do not realize it , but Taliban are considered just , right and fighting for a righteous cause by majority of our countrymen and that is the ground reality , which honestly means a confusion about the identity of the enemy - religious in nature .

Because your politicians and thinkers won't challenge them ideologically. Once that happens and a grass-roots movement organized (however small) you can probably make great progress. Right now you've just got Malala.

 

[Secur]

Here is a man who reveals no idea of the legitimacy that democracy brings. There must be millions of literate Pakistanis just like him. That's pretty sad.

Time for a leader to start squeezing religion out. Let the PML-N highlight "Muslim" as much as Germany's CDU emphasizes "Christian". That requires ideological development - you might want to get to work on that.

Because your politicians and thinkers won't challenge them ideologically. Once that happens and a grass-roots movement organized (however small) you can probably make great progress. Right now you've just got Malala.

Doesn't wield the power , the political parties . Well , you cant expect that when you win the elections on the promise of achieving " peace through talks with psychopaths " . What is pretty said is that " man's gone " because the nation wanted him out and now they are enjoying the " democracy " . The economy used to grow at 6-7% during his rule . Time for the religion to be regulated by the state , but better " checked and balanced " as it is in Arab countries with strict guidelines and SOP's even . Also , it will be most unwise to call today's Pakistan " Islamic " since it anything but such . Let the nation first realize that the killers of 64,000 of their countrymen are their enemies , instead of believing in conspiracy theories and then the intellectuals can challenge them . Yeah and she already has been labelled as a CIA agent

 

[Solomon2]

Let the nation first realize that the killers of 64,000 of their countrymen are their enemies , instead of believing in conspiracy theories and then the intellectuals can challenge them .

This is the sort of mistake medieval Poland made in the middle ages. Poland then was a constitutional monarchy where the oligarchy which held decisive power mandated consensus through the liberatum veto. A few bribes by foreign powers here and there was thus enough to induce paralysis and Poland went from being a state whose writ ran from the Baltic to the Black Sea to being dismembered by its neighbors and its independence lost for two centuries.

Should something like that happen to Pakistan - again! - simply because it's elected leaders refuse to truly exercise leadership and shoulder the burdens doing so entails?

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Classic insurgent stuff-cut off one head,and two more shall grow in its place.need to go for jugular vien-Supply lines of TTP.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

Now they have another leader and so the cycle continues...

That cycle will continue. Core issue is somewhere else.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

^^ No one in Pakistan was confused about terrorists.. there are no buyers of them, they only had enemies in Pakistan.
Only terrorists are confused, and there strategic partners are printing confusing news.

i have posted video above, which clearly defines that its Iranian loyalist northern alliance which works in tandem with India.... on same lines as they worked in Baluchistan during Zia era.

Really ? Is it so ? Good terrorists, bad terrorists, Strategic assests. Freedom fighters . What are they ?

 

[venu309]

quote="OrionHunter, post: 4916253, member: 39737"requirement fo of course! Can't be Martians! [/quote]

Not all Pakistanis, the sane Pakistanis know the requirement and usefulness of drone attacks & Pak marine is definitely one of the decent blokes.

 

[Aamna14]

That cycle will continue. Core issue is somewhere else.

We are well aware of the core issue unlike you we don't always keep looking for someone else to blame.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

We are well aware of the core issue unlike you we don't always keep looking for someone else to blame.

I did not blame anyone. Why are you angry at me ? Because of that previous conversation ?

 

[Darth Vader]

May he get a drone very Soon

 

[mr42O]

Remove the Mullah FM too.

he is living in Afghanistan and what makes u think USA want to remove him?

 

[Liquidmetal]

he is living in Afghanistan and what makes u think USA want to remove him?

I have no idea, it is just something we need for PK's to bring some control in our country esp in the badlands. Decimate the TTP.