KFX/IFX News and Development

[Indos]

So that's their Eurofighter 2.0? Looks like a dummy, for sure not gonna fly in year or two. Seems like only J-XY/35 and KFX/IFX will be flying next year.

Way to go, that is just a conceptual design. Not yet reach final basic design and still far away from detail design phase. 2035 is the completion of the development according to the recent plan.

Yup, that is just mock up.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Twin engine Stealth that will come after 2030 maybe Tempest from European consortium (British/Germany/Italia/Spain), but look like they are still negotiating on workshare, IP, and other thing

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Tempest is really the UK with Sweden and Italy for now with collaboration with Japan on engines and radars on the side.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Tempest is really the UK with Sweden and Italy for now with collaboration with Japan on engines and radars on the side.

Yes I just dig some info on it, your are right. It's like UK+Sweden+Italy (UK-Japan side deal on engine/radar) "Tempest" as one team, France+Germany+Spain "FCAS" as another. Both seems to be so-called 6th gen concepts, quite a distant future from now even if they do get materialized.

By now I can count three "next gen" jets that may fly within a year of two: J-XY/35, Su-75, KFX/IFX.

 

[MrSato1]

Yes I just dig some info on it, your are right. It's like UK+Sweden+Italy (UK-Japan side deal on engine/radar) "Tempest" as one team, France+Germany+Spain "FCAS" as another. Both seems to be so-called 6th gen concepts, quite a distant future from now even if they do get materialized.

By now I can count three "next gen" jets that may fly within a year of two: J-XY/35, Su-75, KFX/IFX.

I am pretty sure the J-XY/35 has already flew, literally the only image we've seen of it was it flying!

 

[siegecrossbow]

Yes I just dig some info on it, your are right. It's like UK+Sweden+Italy (UK-Japan side deal on engine/radar) "Tempest" as one team, France+Germany+Spain "FCAS" as another. Both seems to be so-called 6th gen concepts, quite a distant future from now even if they do get materialized.

By now I can count three "next gen" jets that may fly within a year of two: J-XY/35, Su-75, KFX/IFX.

I have a feeling Europe is late to the game again. Keep in mind that Typhoon and Rafale were supposed to be their contenders for "next generation fighters" when the Raptor came out and changed the definition.

 

[FuturePAF]

I have a feeling Europe is late to the game again. Keep in mind that Typhoon and Rafale were supposed to be their contenders for "next generation fighters" when the Raptor came out and changed the definition.

It was developed after the Su-27 was first seen, so now that the Su-57 is ramping up, they will field their own fifth Gen fighter. For the Europeans, if they develop to defend themselves against Russia, they aren’t that far behind, but if they extend themselves to take on China, then they have just left it up to the F-35 to see them through, like the Brits and their F-35Bs on their carriers.

 

[Indos]

Tempest is really the UK with Sweden and Italy for now with collaboration with Japan on engines and radars on the side.

So Japan has already joined the program ? I think it is then related to Japan FX program, particularly the collaboration on critical components, engine and radar.

 

[Indos]

(LEAD) Indonesia agrees to keep commitment to fighter program with S. Korea: DAPA
All News 21:38 November 11, 2021
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SEOUL, Nov. 11 (Yonhap) -- Indonesia agreed Thursday to retain its financial commitment to a joint fighter development project with South Korea, Seoul's state arms procurement agency said, ending years of speculation it could pull out of the costly undertaking.

The Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) said Indonesia reaffirmed its earlier pledge to shoulder 20 percent of the cost for the 8.8 trillion-won (US$7.4 billion) project, called KF-X, and agreed to make 30 percent of its total payments in kind.

Indonesia made the pledge during this week's negotiations in Jakarta with Seoul officials, as the country's overdue payments for the project, which stand at 800 billion won, had reinforced a sense that the Southeast Asian country might no longer be interested in the development efforts.

This photo, provided by the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA), shows officials from South Korea and Indonesia, including DAPA chief Kang Eun-ho (4th from L), posing for a photo after signing an agreement regarding cost sharing for a joint fighter development project in Jakarta on Nov. 11, 2021. (PHOTO NOT FOR SALE) (Yonhap)
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DAPA officials did not specify when and how Indonesia would address the overdue payments, but stressed its reiteration of a will to stay in the project was a "major" outcome of the latest negotiations.

Indonesia first agreed to pay 20 percent of the development cost in 2010. But it stopped making payments in 2017, casting doubts over whether it would continue to stay onboard.

DAPA chief Kang Eun-ho was part of the Korean negotiation team that arrived in the Indonesia capital Tuesday.

"The agreement this time bears great meaning given that the two countries have concluded their negotiations in a mutually beneficial direction through sufficient consultations between them," Kang was quoted by his office as saying.

By the end of this year, the number of Indonesian technicians assigned to the KF-X project in Korea will jump to 100 from the current 32, the DAPA said, in yet another sign of the country's commitment to the project.

South Korea has been working on the KF-X project since 2015 to develop an advanced homegrown fighter jet to replace the Air Force's aging fleet of F-4 and F-5 jets.

(LEAD) Indonesia agrees to keep commitment to fighter program with S. Korea: DAPA | Yonhap News Agency

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[Indos]

From what I see after so many years following KF21/IFX news, Indonesian parliament is really supporting the program. It includes current parliament which is resulted from 2019 election.

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South Korea DAPA Minister, Gang Eun-ho, met with Meutya Hafid, Chairman of Commission 1 DPR (Indonesian Parliament) and several parliament members from Commission 1 where defense is one of the commission focus.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1458354832629125120

Translation:

"Annyeonghaseyo yeorobun! This morning, Commission I of the DPR RI met with HE Mr. Gang Eun-ho, DAPA (Minister of Defense Acquisition Program Administration Korea) to discuss efforts to improve bilateral relations between Korea and Indonesia, especially in the defense sector"

 

[Shotgunner51]

I am pretty sure the J-XY/35 has already flew, literally the only image we've seen of it was it flying!

Well literally that's true! I guess it will flying in navy paint next year.

I have a feeling Europe is late to the game again. Keep in mind that Typhoon and Rafale were supposed to be their contenders for "next generation fighters" when the Raptor came out and changed the definition.

Obviously they are very late, that's why I doubt anything "next gen" will come out soon. Raptor defines what is next gen but it's a twin hi-thrust heavy jet reserved for US only, Lightning is the one making an impact across Europe.

 

[Indos]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1459112489874976773

 

[Indos]

Indonesian Air Force supports KF 21/IFX program.

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From Air Force statement after meeting with SK DAPA Minister :

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Kasau Marshal TNI Fadjar Prasetyo, S.E., M.P.P., received a visit from South Korea's Minister of Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) H.E. Gang Eun-Ho, at Headquarters Cilangkap, Jakarta, Friday (12/11/2021).

At the meeting, they discussed defense industry cooperation related to the development of KFX/IFX fighter aircraft with South Korea and the development of Indonesia-South Korea defense equipment cooperation.

On this occasion, Kasau said that this cooperation could further develop the Indonesian defense industry.

Therefore, the cooperation between Korea and Indonesia through the development of the defense industry is an extraordinary cooperation and certainly shows the close relationship between the two countries.

"TNI AU will fully assist and support all the good cooperation so far," said Kasau.

Also present to accompany the Kasau, Wakasau, Asrena Kasau, Asintel Kasau, Asops Kasau, Aslog Kasau and Head of the Indonesian Ministry of Defense's Head of Research and Development, while South Korea's Minister of Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) H.E. Gang Eun-Ho was accompanied by the Director General of the KF-X Program Mr. Keangsun Jun, and Athan South Korea Capt. Jun Yun-soo,.

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[Song Hong]

As more information is being revealed, it now seems to me that KFX stealth capability may not be good. The weapons are hanging lose under the wings and belly. This will have quite a lot of RCS. Indonesia is threatening to pull out.

Korean officials fly to Jakarta to claim delayed KF-X payments

South Korean officials on Tuesday flew to Jakarta to claim development costs Indonesia owes to Korea for the joint development of next-generation KF-X fighters. According to industry sources, a Korean task force of 10 officials from Korea Aerospace Industries and the Defense Acquisition...

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Speculation mounts over Indonesia pulling out of KF-X fighter project

Speculation is again mounting over Indonesia pulling out of participation in Korea's KF-X fighter project, with the Southeast Asian country reportedly seeking to buy aircraft from the United States and France despite its snowballing arrears from the joint development program. Some say Indonesia...

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[Indos]

As more information is being revealed, it now seems to me that KFX stealth capability may not be good. The weapons are hanging lose under the wings and belly. This will have quite a lot of RCS. Indonesia is threatening to pull out.

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Korean officials fly to Jakarta to claim delayed KF-X payments

South Korean officials on Tuesday flew to Jakarta to claim development costs Indonesia owes to Korea for the joint development of next-generation KF-X fighters. According to industry sources, a Korean task force of 10 officials from Korea Aerospace Industries and the Defense Acquisition...

www.koreaherald.com

Speculation mounts over Indonesia pulling out of KF-X fighter project

Speculation is again mounting over Indonesia pulling out of participation in Korea's KF-X fighter project, with the Southeast Asian country reportedly seeking to buy aircraft from the United States and France despite its snowballing arrears from the joint development program. Some say Indonesia...

www.koreatimes.co.kr

KF21/IFX will be developed gradually, first block is less stealthy, it is already announced since 2015. While your news you brought here is already late, newer news have been posted above your post.

While I want to bring here F 35 capability as KF21/IFX competitor in the international market

https://twitter.com/x/status/1463537965574021123

 

[Indos]

DAPA confirms cost adjustments to KF-21 development programme
24 NOVEMBER 2021

by Alessandra Giovanzanti

The overall cost of the engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) phase of the KF-21/IF-X multirole fighter aircraft programme has been adjusted from approximately KRW8.6 trillion (USD7.2 billion) to KRW8.1 trillion (USD6.8 billion), South Korea's Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) told Janes.

A DAPA spokesperson confirmed to Janes on 24 November that, because the KF-21 has been designated as a ‘defence article' and therefore is exempt from value-added taxes, the EMD cost had been adjusted and is now being reflected in the cost-sharing agreement between South Korea and Indonesia.

DAPA said that Indonesia's cost share for the KF-21/IF-X development programme will total approximately KRW1.6 trillion (USD1.35 billion), KRW100 billion lower than initially estimated. The South Korean cost share will also be adjusted accordingly.

DAPA confirms cost adjustments to KF-21 development programme

The overall cost of the engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) phase of the KF-21/IF-X multirole fighter aircraft programme has been adjusted from approximately...

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