KFX/IFX News and Development

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KF21/IFX engine

 

[Indos]

KF21/IFX engine

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F 414 engine is now 26.000 lb trust class

https://www.geaviation.com/sites/default/files/datasheet-F414-Enhanced.pdf

 

[Indos]

I want to bring "Indonesian" news on KFX/IFX to show this thread has better input than other KFX/IFX thread in other forum that only use Korean media as source.

This is the most extensive report about KFX/IFX program made by Indonesian mainstream media. Most Indonesian mainstream media dont have defense specialist journalist, but this report is quite informative since they interview many Indonesian who are involved in the program, including Indonesian KFX/IFX program manager. The reports were made in 2016 March and this is so far the most extensive report about the program made by Indonesian media

In this edition there are many report about the program so you can find other interesting information
that cannot be found in other forum or media if you lurk on this edition.

Fokus : Jet Siluman 'Buatan' Indonesia - CNN Indonesia

Deskripsi fokus Korea Selatan bersama Indonesia mengembangkan jet tempur generasi 4,5 yang dirancang dengan mengadopsi teknik geometri pesawat siluman. Proyek yang diberi nama KF-X/IF-X itu sekarang memasuki fase pembuatan prototipe. Transfer teknologi jadi sorotan.

www.cnnindonesia.com

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Create a fighter jet, Indonesia prepares massive resources​

Anggi Kusumadewi, Resty Armenia, Prima Gumilang | CNN Indonesia
Wednesday, 02 Mar 2016 12:39 WIB

PT Dirgantara Indonesia has prepared composing hangars, titanium hangars, production hangars, and final assembly hangars for fighter aircraft. (ANTARA/Novrian Arbi)


Jakarta, CNN Indonesia -- “Warplanes are like cell phones. The technology has changed over the years, whether it's about electronics, sensors or weapons."

Heri Yansyah, Head of the Korea Fighter Xperiment/Indonesia Fighter Xperiment (KF-X/IF-X) program at PT Dirgantara Indonesia, said this while talking to CNNIndonesia.com, Friday (19/2).

“So Indonesia must be able to upgrade this ever-changing technology. If you don't have the ability to upgrade, then buy the same aircraft as neighboring countries, then in two or three years, Indonesia will be defeated," said Heri.

Although comparing fighter planes with mobile phones, to make it far from easy. It took more than 10 years to develop the KF-X/IF-X which was designed to be a 4.5 generation multi-role fighter jet with technology approaching the capabilities of a 5th generation stealth fighter.

Since the jet engine was first developed in 1946, fighter aircraft have evolved to the fifth generation. This latest generation combines stealth technology for undetected radar, supersonic roaming capabilities, and new integrated sensors.

The only 5th generation fighter aircraft currently in service is the US Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor. While a number of other jets from that generation, such as the F-35 Lighting II and the Sukhoi PAK FA, are still at the testing stage.

To make the KF-X/IF-X prototype, Indonesian and South Korean scientists will work hand in hand at the Korea Aerospace Industries headquarters in Sacheon, South Gyeongsang Province.

"At the peak of prototyping, 200 Indonesian engineers will be involved," said Heri, who in the 2011-2012 period went to South Korea for 18 months to work on the first phase of the KF-X/IF-X project, namely concept development.

The number of Indonesian engineers who went to South Korea in the second phase of work – prototyping – starting in 2016 was far more than the first phase, which only amounted to 52 people.

The Indonesian scientists will come to South Korea gradually over the next 10 years. "There are engineers who have to stay there for a full 10 years, but there are also those who are rotated," said Heri.

Build facilities

Domestically, Indonesia is speeding up the preparation of human resources and technology, starting from research on the core technology of fighter jet engines, materials, avionics, aerodynamics, to building a laboratory to support this research.

In addition, although the production of KF-X/IF-X is centered in South Korea, the headquarters of PT Dirgantara Indonesia in Bandung, West Java, will be no less busy. PTDI will monitor all the work on the fighter aircraft.

PTDI, for example, has prepared the Indonesian Design Center (DCI) to build technology, infrastructure and simulation capabilities. In this place, all stages of work on the KF-X/IF-X in South Korea will be communicated.

DCI is a mirroring of the Design Center building which was also built in Sacheon, South Korea. The Design Center in Sacheon is a kind of sealed and sterile building. People who enter it are prohibited from bringing flash drives and computers. There, Indonesian and South Korean scientists will work together.

Indonesia was also assigned the task of making aircraft components for the right wing and tail, as well as under-wing reinforcement.

See also: Indonesia's Steep Road Makes a Stealth Fighter Plane

Also, Indonesia gets a share to make aircraft prototypes. A total of eight prototypes will be built – six flying prototypes, and two non-flying prototypes for structural testing.

"The fifth prototype will be made here," said Heri. "Why the fifth? Because this is the first time Indonesia has developed a fighter aircraft. For the first and second prototypes, Indonesia is not ready," added the PTDI aerodynamics expert.

Therefore, PTDI has also prepared composing hangar facilities, titanium hangars, production hangars, and final assembly hangars for fighter aircraft.

Buat Jet Tempur, Indonesia Siapkan Sumber Daya Besar-besaran

Pesawat tempur layaknya ponsel. Dalam setahun, teknologinya berkembang kian canggih. Membuatnya, jauh dari mudah. Infrastruktur dan manusia disiapkan.

www.cnnindonesia.com

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It is old news, new development shows Indonesia government hasnt completed the investment for production facility and 116 Indonesian engineers were called to Indonesia in May 2020 during the production of the prototype, although the design phase has indeed been completed for single seat KF21 in late 2019. This is why Fifth prototype will be produced in Korea, different from the plan

 

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[Indos]

Video of a ROKAF F-4 Phantom test launching the South Korean new Cheonryong Air Launched Cruise Missile (ALCM) developed for the KF-21 Boramae.

Future

Supersonic anti ship missile

New Supersonic Anti-Ship Missile for South Korea's KF-X Breaks Cover - Naval News

The first artist impression of a new supersonic anti-ship missile for South Korea's KF-X fighter has been released.

www.navalnews.com

 

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[Leishangthem]

Koreans are seriously regretting getting into this with Indonesia from what I read .

 

[serenity]

Koreans are seriously regretting getting into this with Indonesia from what I read .

What have you read and why are the Koreans regretting including Indonesia on the KFX program?

 

[Indos]

What have you read and why are the Koreans regretting including Indonesia on the KFX program?

The person you quote is someone who is easy to talk but many of his claim is baseless. If you ask something like this, you need to ask him credible source to back his claim, not just wanting to hear what will come out from his mouth.

 

[Leishangthem]

What have you read and why are the Koreans regretting including Indonesia on the KFX program?

인도네시아 "한국에 KF-X 분담금 낼 예산 없어" | 연합뉴스

(자카르타=연합뉴스) 성혜미 특파원 = 인도네시아가 한국에 차세대 전투기(KF-X/IF-X) 공동 투자·개발 사업 분담금을 낼 예산이 없다며 분...

www.yna.co.kr

[더구루] "美, 인도네시아 공동개발 'KF-21' 기술유출 우려"

[더구루=길소연 기자] 미국이 인도네시아가 개발 부담금을 낸 한국형전투기 KF-21 사업에 기술 유출 우려를 피력했다는 주장이 나왔다. 인도네시아 매체 '카로사투클릭(karosatuklik)'은 지난 1일(현지시간) "미국이 자국의 전투기 제작 기술이 인도네시아의 손에 넘어가는 것을 원치 않아 인도네시아의 공동개발을 시기하고 있다"고 보도

theguru.co.kr

 

[serenity]

The person you quote is someone who is easy to talk but many of his claim is baseless. If you ask something like this, you need to ask him credible source to back his claim, not just wanting to hear what will come out from his mouth.

I will make a judgement on what comes from him based on how well explained and proven it is and how reasonable that meta judgement is. Would do some of my own research and seek out opposing view to that (like a court might) to see if there is reason and how much of it. The whole process is about meta analysis as a basic kind of learning and opinion forming or moderation of what I hear.

That is the nature of these types of discussions. It is always demanded by everyone on their own things but strangely they always tend to be dismissive when it is Chinese. Well not everyone but plenty. Nothing is requiring assessment, proof, or reasoning when Indians and China haters make general statements that are totally ridiculous when it involves China.

Here you are already on the job because it only is beginning to look a little bad for Indonesia on what that person has said. Don't worry. I am not like those types of characters who will immediately jump up and down and take every word from every random as true. I only wish everyone will hold this type of standard and doubt for every propaganda piece coming from USA, Europe, Russia, and mostly India, the king of liars and propagandists... as many on this forum know since we have been on receiving end of endless Indian lies and propaganda.

 

[serenity]

인도네시아 "한국에 KF-X 분담금 낼 예산 없어" | 연합뉴스

(자카르타=연합뉴스) 성혜미 특파원 = 인도네시아가 한국에 차세대 전투기(KF-X/IF-X) 공동 투자·개발 사업 분담금을 낼 예산이 없다며 분...

www.yna.co.kr

[더구루] "美, 인도네시아 공동개발 'KF-21' 기술유출 우려"

[더구루=길소연 기자] 미국이 인도네시아가 개발 부담금을 낸 한국형전투기 KF-21 사업에 기술 유출 우려를 피력했다는 주장이 나왔다. 인도네시아 매체 '카로사투클릭(karosatuklik)'은 지난 1일(현지시간) "미국이 자국의 전투기 제작 기술이 인도네시아의 손에 넘어가는 것을 원치 않아 인도네시아의 공동개발을 시기하고 있다"고 보도

theguru.co.kr

So based on the google translate on these two Korean articles it seems the issue is the money contribution from Indonesia is at 20% of project and Indonesia wants to reduce it. Also the US is expressing some concern for technology leakage to Indonesia because KFX contains A LOT of American technology.

I don't see how this shows Koreans are regretting Indonesian involvement. They seem to want Indonesia to keep their money contribution agreement and pay in cash instead of "in kind" whatever that means.

Also the US technology side of concerns is a baseless one since it is again not related to Koreans regretting having Indonesia involved in this.

I don't know but I'm guessing the project is developed by Koreans and Americans with Korean and American technologies and minimal if any contribution from Indonesia on this. Since it has been known Indonesia is a financing partner, the leak of technology concern is at the moment such a baseless concern since they would be aware of it from the start and also they would be aware of how much is available for Indonesia to absorb. Where the Koreans and Americans both control how much Indonesia is given that it can potentially then absorb. We haven't even begun thinking about truly how much Indonesia's current industry and ability is able to make use of this in a way for them to gain anything even if leaks are there where Americans and Koreans control the leaks themselves or have legal power to change that since they are majority stakeholders.

 

[Indos]

12 January 2022

Info Global CEO (the tallest guy) proposes Stealth UCAV program that could be used in IFX fighter. This proposal can lead to make a consortium of UCAV wingman program lead by Indonesian Aerospace (PT Dirgantara Indonesia).

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

12 December 2022

Info Global CEO (the tallest guy) proposes Stealth UCAV program that could be used in IFX fighter. This proposal can lead to make a consortium of UCAV wingman program lead by Indonesian Aerospace (PT Dirgantara Indonesia).

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@JamD In case your Ertugrul option doesn't work out. You can try Indonesia.

 

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