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At least they have the freedom to change their government, and their president - they don't need to take guns and seek foreign training to fight their army, to be able to change the president.

If your country had free and fair elections every five years, and Assad also had to be elected by the will of a majority, then you wouldn't need these revolutions at all. It is funny to hear people from countries like Syria complaining that americans don't have enough freedom, when their own country is undergoing civil war to change the president.

Whatever it is that you call the rebels - terrorists or whatever, depending on who'se side you are on: The fact is that there are two or more sides, and they don't have the freedom to change their president, except through bloody revolutions. Build a better society there before complaining about America's lack of freedom.

I mean, seriously!
really? you think Americans can change their government ? that's what I'm talking about, Americans thinking they live in democracy, while in reality, its just one system with two different names for their parties...
we saw Wall Street protests, and how the media labeled them calling them lazy, homeless, crazy people... talk about freedom...
you were a perfect example of what I was saying regarding Americans thinking they have "freedom" and "democracy"..

and my country is going in Civil war because of the west support to terrorism, without Syrian people, Alasad would have been gone long time ago....

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/234220-syria-questions-can-not-answered.html
 
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Just like the west destroyed Libya, because Libya proposed a new currency for the M.E to sell its oil in, in addition the Libyan government knew a lot of about western plans and secrets, the west needed to get rid of the government, for example Gaddafi gave Sarkozy money for his campaign which is illegal...

about that new route, Turkey is in it, but it still wants to please the west?


Even Gaddafi was not a good man, but he was definitely better than those radical islamists.

However, Libya was too far away from our reach, unlike Syria.

BTW, Turkey has already been politically infiltrated by USA, and i am afraid she might be the next to destabilize if Syria went down.
 
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Even Gaddafi was not a good man, but he was definitely better than those radical islamists.

However, Libya was too far away from our reach, unlike Syria.

BTW, Turkey has already been politically infiltrated by USA, and i am afraid she might be the next to destabilize if Syria went down.
Syria is the heart of M.E peace, if anything happens to Syria, the whole region will burn.. we saw that in Lebanon and Iraq recently... Syria stability keeps M.E stable... and the west and their puppet will realize that...
 
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Syria is the heart of M.E peace, if anything happens to Syria, the whole region will burn.. we saw that in Lebanon and Iraq recently... Syria stability keeps M.E stable... and the west and their puppet will realize that...

USA wants to see the whole ME to burn, because they don't want to see the new silk road to be established between ME and China.
 
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really? you think Americans can change their government ? that's what I'm talking about, Americans thinking they live in democracy, while in reality, its just one system with two different names for their parties...
we saw Wall Street protests, and how the media labeled them calling them lazy, homeless, crazy people... talk about freedom...
you were a perfect example of what I was saying regarding Americans thinking they have "freedom" and "democracy"..

and my country is going in Civil war because of the west support to terrorism, without Syrian people, Alasad would have been gone long time ago....

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/234220-syria-questions-can-not-answered.html

Dude: Despite all the flaws they have, they still have a functioning democracy, and they can express their will through the ballot, rather than through bullets. They have a lot more political freedom than people in countries like Syria. That much cannot be denied.

Yes, you can talk about people being cleverly manipulated by (insert you favorite boogeyman here: Banks, Press, Zionist conspiracy, or whatever). But for a Syrian to be saying that an american doesn't have freedom is just plain hilarious.

If Syrians want to change their president, how can they do it? No way, other than picking guns and creating a civil war. If the ruling president wants to stay on in power, how can he do it? Through the might and loyalty of the army and air force.

If most americans want to change the president, how do they do it? Go vote. If the president wants to stay in power for five more years, how would he do it? Call in the army and air force to bomb his detractors? No, by asking his supporters to vote for him. Plain and simple.

Every system may have its flaws, but some systems are inherently better than others. Syrians have no say in who gets to be president, no say in who rules the country. Admit the faults of your country if you want to build a better country.

You may spin all sorts of conspiracies about poor americans being duped by huge conspirators and so on, and conspiracy theorists have always existed, spinning conspiracies about whichever country happens to be the most influencial at that time.

But the reality is this - if an average American wants to change his govt, he has the freedom to try it through the ballot. He will succeed, unless there are more people who don't want to change it.

They don't have to wait for Obama to die to have a new president. They don't need to take arms and fight the army to change the president. The differences between evolved democracies and dictatorships is stark. You may either admit that, or continue to malign the USA, instead of setting things in your country right.

P.S: It is not just the presidential elections that count as democracy. Democratic processes are a lot more detailed than that. Americans vote for every level of govt....from local council elections, to aldermen, to mayors, to state senators, to governors, to national senators, to president. The locality, the state, the nation - all these governments are filled with people who are elected by the public. The wall street protestors, or the tea party activists, are all part of the political process, and they all try to influence other people to vote as they see fit, about issues that are important for them. That is how public opinion is shaped. Neither the tea partiers, nor the wall streeters needed to pick up guns and start shooting. Governments have a right to exist only through the consent of the governed. Not because of loyalty of the army.
 
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Dude: Despite all the flaws they have, they still have a functioning democracy, and they can express their will through the ballot, rather than through bullets. They have a lot more political freedom than people in countries like Syria. That much cannot be denied.

Yes, you can talk about people being cleverly manipulated by (insert you favorite boogeyman here: Banks, Press, Zionist conspiracy, or whatever). But for a Syrian to be saying that an american doesn't have freedom is just plain hilarious.

If Syrians want to change their president, how can they do it? No way, other than picking guns and creating a civil war. If the ruling president wants to stay on in power, how can he do it? Through the might and loyalty of the army and air force.

If most americans want to change the president, how do they do it? Go vote. If the president wants to stay in power for five more years, how would he do it? Call in the army and air force to bomb his detractors? No, by asking his supporters to vote for him. Plain and simple.

Every system may have its flaws, but some systems are inherently better than others. Syrians have no say in who gets to be president, no say in who rules the country. Admit the faults of your country if you want to build a better country.

You may spin all sorts of conspiracies about poor americans being duped by huge conspirators and so on, and conspiracy theorists have always existed, spinning conspiracies about whichever country happens to be the most influencial at that time.

But the reality is this - if an average American wants to change his govt, he has the freedom to try it through the ballot. He will succeed, unless there are more people who don't want to change it.

They don't have to wait for Obama to die to have a new president. They don't need to take arms and fight the army to change the president. The differences between evolved democracies and dictatorships is stark. You may either admit that, or continue to malign the USA, instead of setting things in your country right.

I stopped reading at the highlighted part... please don't waster our time...
here are the answers to your question...
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/234220-syria-questions-can-not-answered.html

and only naive will think there is such thing as democracy in this world...
and Syrians already made their voice clear and loud...
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6341E9630B91182D&feature=mh_lolz
 
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USA wants to see the whole ME to burn, because they don't want to see the new silk road to be established between ME and China.
well, that mean Israel will be harmed... I don't think USA will do anything to harm Israel... in my opinion if the M.E burns, it will lead to WWIII
 
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well, that mean Israel will be harmed... I don't think USA will do anything to harm Israel... in my opinion if the M.E burns, it will lead to WWIII

USA was formed by different interest groups, since Israel is just a pawn in the Middle East, they are just using each other.
 
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I stopped reading at the highlighted part... please don't waster our time...
here are the answers to your question...
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/234220-syria-questions-can-not-answered.html

and only naive will think there is such thing as democracy in this world...
and Syrians already made their voice clear and loud...
Syrians Rally - YouTube

If you stopped reading at the highlighted part, you should continue reading. Including the P.S.

I could have stopped reading as soon as you mentined wall streeters, americans not having freedom etc. But I didn't, I read it and typed a response because it is important to spread the message of governments being accountable to the governed, and governing with the consent of the governed.

And yes, I have already read the link you just gave. It is nothing but a bunch of defensive rhetoric of the regime. All that Assad has to do, is to announce free and fair elections. If all that is said in that link is true, and a majority of Syrians want him as president, he can easily prove that through an election. So simple, right?
 
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The plan to destabilize Syria has been planned long before 2010, since the USA will do everything to prevent the new silk road strategy.

The Jamestown Foundation: Syria in China’s New Silk Road Strategy
Thank you for sharing it was a good read... Syria has been looking toward east since the sanctions started in 2005, which is why in 2005 Syria and Iran relations strengthened, however I thought that Syria was weak to reach further east, we should of opened our doors to the east long time ago...

this is one of the factors the west wanting to destroy Syria...

If you stopped reading at the highlighted part, you should continue reading. Including the P.S.

I could have stopped reading as soon as you mentined wall streeters, americans not having freedom etc. But I didn't, I read it and typed a response because it is important to spread the message of governments being accountable to the governed, and governing with the consent of the governed.

And yes, I have already read the link you just gave. It is nothing but a bunch of defensive rhetoric of the regime. All that Assad has to do, is to announce free and fair elections. If all that is said in that link is true, and a majority of Syrians want him as president, he can easily prove that through an election. So simple, right?

where have you been living lately? Mars? Alasad has been calling for election to be monitored under the UN for over a year, however the west and the opposition refused, if the west and outside opposition claim Alsad has no support, then why not hold elections? Alasad would lose if he has no support, right? but no, the west know very well that Alasad will win, because the majority of the Syrain people support him, like I said before, Alasad would have been gone long time ago, if Syrians didn't want him... if you really read that link you would have understood... I recommend reading it again, so we can have a better discussion...
 
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Yeah, then when something like 9/11 happens they act all surprised and shocked. Thinking "why me?", not for one second questioning that it was their own government who created and funded these animals.
and planned 9/11 attacks.
 
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Dude: Despite all the flaws they have, they still have a functioning democracy, and they can express their will through the ballot, rather than through bullets. They have a lot more political freedom than people in countries like Syria. That much cannot be denied.

Yes, you can talk about people being cleverly manipulated by (insert you favorite boogeyman here: Banks, Press, Zionist conspiracy, or whatever). But for a Syrian to be saying that an american doesn't have freedom is just plain hilarious.

If Syrians want to change their president, how can they do it? No way, other than picking guns and creating a civil war. If the ruling president wants to stay on in power, how can he do it? Through the might and loyalty of the army and air force.

If most americans want to change the president, how do they do it? Go vote. If the president wants to stay in power for five more years, how would he do it? Call in the army and air force to bomb his detractors? No, by asking his supporters to vote for him. Plain and simple.

Every system may have its flaws, but some systems are inherently better than others. Syrians have no say in who gets to be president, no say in who rules the country. Admit the faults of your country if you want to build a better country.

You may spin all sorts of conspiracies about poor americans being duped by huge conspirators and so on, and conspiracy theorists have always existed, spinning conspiracies about whichever country happens to be the most influencial at that time.

But the reality is this - if an average American wants to change his govt, he has the freedom to try it through the ballot. He will succeed, unless there are more people who don't want to change it.

They don't have to wait for Obama to die to have a new president. They don't need to take arms and fight the army to change the president. The differences between evolved democracies and dictatorships is stark. You may either admit that, or continue to malign the USA, instead of setting things in your country right.

P.S: It is not just the presidential elections that count as democracy. Democratic processes are a lot more detailed than that. Americans vote for every level of govt....from local council elections, to aldermen, to mayors, to state senators, to governors, to national senators, to president. The locality, the state, the nation - all these governments are filled with people who are elected by the public. The wall street protestors, or the tea party activists, are all part of the political process, and they all try to influence other people to vote as they see fit, about issues that are important for them. That is how public opinion is shaped. Neither the tea partiers, nor the wall streeters needed to pick up guns and start shooting. Governments have a right to exist only through the consent of the governed. Not because of loyalty of the army.
all of this BS , you want to say Asad doesn't have Syrian support, but the fact remains that without support of Syrian people, Asas was falling down long long time ago. and US is a country which kills thousands of it's civilians in 9/11 just to have a pretext to start it's war in ME.
 
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The plan to destabilize Syria has been planned long before 2010, since the USA will do everything to prevent the new silk road strategy.

The Jamestown Foundation: Syria in China’s New Silk Road Strategy
US has far more important reasons for destabilize Syria.
after Israel invasion to Lebanon in 2006 and it's shameful defeat in 33days of war, west strategist reached to this conclusion which till Hezbollah has Iranian support, they can't defeat Hezbollah and and meanwhile Syria roll is Iran's right arm to fight back.
so they have decided to cut off this right arm.
their final goal is wiping resistance from ME, from Lebanon till Iran. If they manage to break Iran's resistance, their path to take control of ME and finally the whole world would be open. in that case china or Russia can stand against US anymore. this is the big view of US plans in ME.
 
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all of this BS , you want to say Asad doesn't have Syrian support, but the fact remains that without support of Syrian people, Asas was falling down long long time ago. and US is a country which kills thousands of it's civilians in 9/11 just to have a pretext to start it's war in ME.

Yes, I'm sure that's what your press TV has told you.

Sorry, not interested in conspiracy theorists.
 
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