Kerala High Court helps Hindu-Muslim couple who got death threats, get married

[jaatram]

Not all Indians have gotra or follow them.

I know it's for North Indians. Hence it can't be a law to encompass the whole India.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

I know it's for North Indians. Hence it can't be a law to encompass the whole India.

That's right. A few south Indians have it too, but its not followed so strictly. It would go against the sprite of Common Civil code which is the dream.

But I do believe that khaps should be given a semi legal status. Similar to Sheriffs in the US.

 

[Bang Galore]

Read what you said - or made binding on parties unwilling to comply.

It can be made binding on parties unwilling to comply, just not by the courts or the police.

Was talking about the ability to get compliance through legal methods alone. Even the pressure that you suggest might happen can only be if they do not seek protection of the court or change area of residence. Any further action outside of this sphere is similar to threatening violence on any & all issues, not something that would be a matter of rational discussion.

 

[jaatram]

That's right. A few south Indians have it too, but its not followed so strictly. It would go against the sprite of Common Civil code which is the dream.

Muslim converts of jaats/ rajputs/ gujjars of UP also follow the gotra thing.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Was talking about the ability to get compliance through legal methods alone. Even the pressure that you suggest might happen can only be if they do not seek protection of the court or change area of residence. Any further action outside of this sphere is similar to threatening violence on any & all issues, not something that would be a matter of rational discussion.

On the contrary it is subjects that cause violence that SHOULD be the subject of Rational discussion.

Law cannot disregard social, cultural and religious realities in India. The Law should recognize the tribal, cultural, social, religious realities and should accommodate space for them. If it fails to do so, people will have no choice BUT to opt for violence.

Law exist to SERVE the people, NOT to Oppress. Whatever their faith, however illogical should have space in the law as long as it does not infringes upon the rights of others.

Muslim converts of jaats/ rajputs/ gujjars of UP also follow the gotra thing.

I was not aware of that. But I wonder if its strictly practised. I assume there would be religious and cultural opposition to it.

 

[jaatram]

I was not aware of that. But I wonder if its strictly practised. I assume there would be religious and cultural opposition to it.

It's strictly practised .. but things are changing.

 

[Bang Galore]

On the contrary it is subjects that cause violence that SHOULD be the subject of Rational discussion.

Law cannot disregard social, cultural and religious realities in India. The Law should recognize the tribal, cultural, social, religious realities and should accommodate space for them. If it fails to do so, people will have no choice BUT to opt for violence.

Law exist to SERVE the people, NOT to Oppress. .

That opens up everything to that threat. Violence can be threatened on every matter & compliance so obtained. Some of that matters you may be in agreement with, others you may not. You can't get to pick & choose who , why & on what matter people may wish to enforce their writ by violence. People can be threatened with violence for opting for divorce or inter-caste marriages. You may be fine with that, I'm not. I believe the state can & will be called to intervene and I support any such intervention.

Whatever their faith, however illogical should have space in the law as long as it does not infringes upon the rights of others

It does. Hence the discussion or do you think some people deserve to have their rights take away because of the circumstances of their birth?

We have a fundamental disagreement on the position you take. Don't see a point in labouring on this topic any more.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

That opens up everything to that threat. Violence can be threatened on every matter & compliance so obtained. Some of that matters you may be in agreement with, others you may not. You can't get to pick & choose who , why & on what matter people may wish to enforce their writ by violence. People can be threatened with violence for opting for divorce or inter-caste marriages. You may be fine with that, I'm not. I believe the state can & will be called to intervene and I support any such intervention.

LOL. Violence is not the only way in which compliance is obtained. It is also obtained by playing on fear, greed, anger, pride etc.

Your thinking is limited to violence hence you miss the big picture. Stop bringing in strawmen and try and put words in my mouth. If you are unable to understand what I said, ASK for clarification, stop being guided by your own prejudices.

It does. Hence the discussion or do you think some people deserve to have their rights take away because of the circumstances of their birth?

We have a fundamental disagreement on the position you take. Don't see a point in labouring on this topic any more.

They get to have many rights only when they reach the age of consent. Which effectively means they DO exist in a society which has taken away their rights for a long time.

 

[Screambowl]

Yes I know, that is the reason I am wishing you now as I may not be able to wish later on. So take it in a lighter vein....

And on a serious note, why can't you accept facts. Yes there are problems in India like any other country but denying them as some conspiracy is what I call absurd. OK so media is doing the damage, let's ban it and the problem is solved.. What say?

Thanks..

Every one knows the problem. I am more interested in solution.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Thanks..

Every one knows the problem. I am more interested in solution.

I hope you are....

 

[ravi kiran]

Those who subscribe to that belief can choose not to marry but there is no bar in law to those who do not subscribe. Incest is defined very narrowly in law, does not extend to non-close relations. Not all communities have similar rules, not everyone follows the same pattern.

Yes you are right it is personal decision. I stated my personal opinion. I do not intend to force anyone to follow my opinion.
But i think who intend to marry in same gotra should at least do DNA test before marriage. So that future complications in children can be avoided.

 

[The_Showstopper]

@Screambowl

Wake up dude.... Scientific evidences?? LOL You don't even know what deforestation is and you claim to know animal husbandry. I am forced to reply you over here since you seem to live in some sort of self gratification that you were able to rebut me and prove a point in a different thread and all you were doing over there was posting some stupid emoticons with illogical statements. Please do care to go through them again. I ignored your reply after a point of time understanding the futility of holding a conversation with your kind who wants to have the last word without even realizing how flawed one's logic is.... Anyways be happy with your "scientific" super know how and if beef is so dangerous, please don't have it but don't force it on others... And please don't quote me again as I am least interested in your replies or your debating skills.

 

[Butchcassidy]

teri liyae bhai

It's strictly practiced .. but things are changing.

 

[Chronos]

so the basic fact of indian economic system continuing interest-upon-loans is really a very socialist ideal which i haven't understood.



yes, and magical beams shine from the sky and exterminate every injustice in indian society as soon as it is created by anti-nationals and evil foreign agencies.



your pakistani wife must be really tolerant... i talk about your callous and pro-sangh attitude.



and that clear cut agenda is??

Sorry. But Kerala experimented with socialism for the last 50 years. While it improved Kerala's social indicators quite a lot, it still isn't a good system.

Nations like the scandinavian nations and New Zealand have elements of socialism like free healthcare, free education.

what Indians need is a heavy dose of pragmatism. Not to be bound ideologically to one cause and sink with it.

India no doubt needs heavy spending on health care, education, sanitation and infrastructure. But it also needs more businesses coming to India.

A marriage between a capitalist system with socialism sprinkled in to take care of the social aspects.

May be it was/wasn't posted as thread but I do remember someone discussing about it on PDF... Even going by your word what is so wrong in posting it....

If that is the case of a hindu boy and Musli girl getting married, it was posted on PDF and it had 20+ pages of muck raking.

As a keralite, Kasargod is tense right now. There have been news reports of a Muslim man getting bashed because he was seen talking to a Hindu woman.

Muslim conservatives bashing a Hindu guy for doing the same thing.

Kasargod has a strong RSS presence. And there are Muslim right wing extremists on the other side.

And let's be honest, being near Mangalore doesn't help either if you know what I mean.

 

[jamahir]

Yes you are right it is personal decision. I stated my personal opinion. I do not intend to force anyone to follow my opinion.
But i think who intend to marry in same gotra should at least do DNA test before marriage. So that future complications in children can be avoided.

dna tests are as modern as the idea of inter-religion marriages... you should strictly avoid.