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That is what I like when you include Middle East in your targets. I hope they make you General in the PA right away. This will pave a way for immediate expulsion of all Pakistanis from that region. You are trying to bite the hand that feeds you. This is just the height of stupidity. You have outdone rest of the forum posters. Keep your emotions in check and give us some rational thoughts only leave the chest thumping to your politicians and Generals, do not encroach their territory otherwise they will hunt you down.

There is no hand that feeds us. Last I checked solely the Punjab region of Pakistan had the largest irrigation system in the world. As for the bloody aid you are talking about, we have suffered a loss of over $150 billion fighting your bloody war, and the pennies you give us are primarily composed of transit costs for NATO. A single percent increase in taxes or perhaps a better collection of taxes, which is tragically low, would more than make up for this in the event it is stopped.

I understand the inferiority complex that defines your country and the need to be heard even though you do not have much to say The generals you're talking about descend from warriors who broke Alexander's back and did the same to the Soviets a few decades ago. If you really wish to knock sense into someone, I would suggest you become a General in your forces and protect no mans land from polar bears. Or better yet, bomb an impotent country and declare yourself a conquerer over a defenceless nation as your "brave" soldiers are doing to "protect your freedoms", much in line with their forefathers.
 
Kayani can't breath fully if USA is around. Forget abt flexing muscle.

USA has seen far more nukes from Russia for long time.
 
The Indians are having trouble grasping the 'deterrence' concept, as they did in a previous discussion on the issue a month or so ago in the WMD section.

Since we are generalising, may I suggest that Pakistanis seem to have equal, if not more trouble grasping the concept of reality; which is why quite a few of them seem to find living in a make believe land where they are always right & everyone else is always wrong, preferable to seeing the writing on the wall. Don't worry about us poor Indians having difficulty grasping concepts, when most Pakistanis seem to feel that the U.S. is grasping something of Pakistan more substantial than mere concepts.
 
And here is the thing - Pakistan has no interest in a military confrontation with the US, therefore Pakistan's 'potential to use nukes against US interests' only increases in case of a 'US potential to militarily confront Pakistan'. Hence the argument of 'deterrence' - the value of nukes is in possessing them, not in using them.

Trying to 'snatch Pakistani nukes' would be perceived as a situation where the US is trying to destroy Pakistan, and therefore an act that crosses the 'nuclear threshold', which in itself act as a 'deterrent' against the US attempting to do so. One reason behind Pakistan's rapidly increasing nuclear arsenal is to make it even less feasible to contemplate a 'nuclear snatch operation', since the larger the arsenal, the harder to neutralize all of it without triggering a nuclear response.

Well your strategic objectives are diverging..chances military confrontation depends on how determined you are to stand your ground and how determined US is, to not to deviate from its path.

Increasing nuclear arsenal is two edged sword ..at one end decreases the chances nuclear snatch ops being successful but it also increase the chances were such a operation were to be carried out.. your present doctrine does not leave you any room for manouvere.ie you will have to use them.
 
Indian trolling must be excited by this news.


‘Clear’ on both ends: US talks war, Pakistan preaches peace


ISLAMABAD: Unprecedented talks held on Thursday between top civil, military and intelligence officials from Pakistan and the US made little progress in the effort to iron out differences on how to tackle the Haqqani network.

However, the two countries reached a ‘broader understanding’ on how to move forward in Afghanistan, official sources told The Express Tribune.

The two-hour long discussions, led by Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, were held against the backdrop of strained ties between Washington and Islamabad following charges by US officials that Pakistan is playing a ‘double game’ when it comes to dealing with militants.

(Read: ‘The worst is over’ for Pakistan and US)

Clinton was accompanied by US Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempsy, Director Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) David Petraeus, US Special Envoy Marc Grossman and US Ambassador Cameron Munter, while Premier Gilani was assisted by Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, ISI chief Lt General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar and other senior officials.

Clear message delivered
The rare gathering was not only meant to repair ties but also to narrow down differences on the issue of the Haqqani network, viewed by Washington as the deadliest Afghan Taliban-allied insurgent group, and to discuss the Afghan endgame.

Official sources confirmed that Secretary Clinton delivered a clear message from the Obama Administration that Pakistan will have to dismantle alleged terrorist sanctuaries in the country’s tribal belt.

Despite the renewed demand, Pakistan conveyed to the US that it could not launch a full-scale offensive in North Waziristan Agency – believed to be a stronghold of the Haqqani network.

“Our position is very clear, now, that the only way forward to address this issue is through dialogue,” said an official familiar with the development.

‘Give peace a chance’

A statement issued by the Prime Minister’s press office also confirmed that Pakistan has no plans to initiate a military operation in North Waziristan.
:)

“Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani called upon US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to give peace a chance, as envisaged in the All Parties Conference’s resolution,” said the statement.

(Read: Giving peace a chance)

The All Parties Conference, held recently to discuss threats emanating from Washington, proposed negotiations with militants to end the years-long unrest in the region.

“The APC resolution reflects the sentiments of the Pakistani nation,” Prime Minister Gilani was quoted as telling Secretary Clinton.

However, Pakistan’s proposal is in direct conflict with the US approach that seeks military offensive against militant groups including the Haqqani network.

According to the statement, Secretary Clinton appreciated the APC resolution, which, she said, was the right message from Pakistan to the world.

It is believed that Pakistan urged the US to rethink its strategy of using force to settle the conflict in Afghanistan.

Earlier in Kabul, Secretary Clinton called for a new partnership between the US, Afghanistan and Pakistan to fight militants.

She said Pakistan ‘must be part of the solution’ to the Afghan conflict.

Petraeus’ role

Dempsey, who took over as the top US military officer in September, planned a candid discussion with the military brass “about sustaining areas of common interest and improving areas where our interests have diverged,” his spokesman Colonel David Lapan said.

The addition of Petraeus could be especially significant, political analyst Hasan Askari Rizvi told Reuters.

“America will produce evidence before the army chief, that you are involved (in supporting the violence in Afghanistan). With David Petraeus coming as well, they have definitely brought evidence,” he said. “He will provide evidence that you are involved, ISI is involved,” he added. “But nothing will come out in public.”

(Read: The Taliban & the Haqqanis)

Meanwhile, CIA director David Patreaus and ISI Chief Lt General Ahmed Shuja Pasha held a one-on-one meeting to discuss the intelligence cooperation between the two countries.

Published in The Express Tribune, October 21st, 2011.

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The only thing funny is--- Hiliary Clinton gave difference speech in Afghanistan by angry languages and flied to Pakistan speech by moderate soft languages.
 
The Indians are having trouble grasping the 'deterrence' concept, as they did in a previous discussion on the issue a month or so ago in the WMD section.

Indians have known for long time this nuclear arsenal of your nation as a deterrence, so we do not have any trouble with your nukes. It is the nation of Pakistan and its people are having trouble with the reality that one time ally of yours is amassing their forces along with your neighbour Afghanistan's forces. It is not digest able to majority of you the reality of today on the ground. You guys are living in a delusional world snap out of it and rebuild your nation based upon "Live and Let Live".
 
Sometimes, its a little funny (and sad) that a lot of Pakistani members on this forum (wont generalize by assuming they are a representative sample of Pakistani population) feel vindicated by some seemingly soothing parting shots by American diplomats after being at the receiving end of a couple of days of hard talk about wild animals and snakes (lol Hillary and her comparatives) in Pakistan's backyard and references to "There's no place to go any longer"(for Pakistani leadership) and " Your country will pay a very big price"
 
ISLAMABAD: US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Friday reiterated the US government’s message that Pakistan should do more to “squeeze” the Haqqani network from their border areas.

In a joint press conference held with Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar in Islamabad, Clinton urged the Pakistani government to show greater cooperation with the US to corner militants.

“You can’t keep snakes in your back yard and expect them to only bite your neighbours,” Clinton said, making a clear reference to the Haqqani network that the US has accused Pakistan of maintaining links with.

She added that US and Afghan forces have “successfully” responded to Pakistan’s legitimate concern regarding terrorists working from the Afghan side of the border, and that Pakistan is expected to do the same.

“If we want to give peace a chance, we have some work to do,” said Secretary Clinton, urging Pakistan to do more to crackdown on extremists operating from Pakistani territory.

Response to Kayani

Clinton agreed with Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaque Pervez Kayani’s statement last week when he said “Pakistan is not like Afghanistan”. She said that the US acknowledges that Pakistan is a sovereign nation and has a “full and comprehensive agenfa of issues to address”.

She added that Thursday’s talks included an in-depth conversation “with specifics”, and that the US looks forward to taking this ahead.

She also added that a plan is needed to move forward after the talks, and the process needs to be transparent, reiterating the need for a stable and secure Afghanistan.


Praise for APC

Clinton said that the All Parties Conference held in Pakistan last month was seen as a “very significant statement” by the US. She said that the US appreciated that all parties in Pakistan support the peace process and welcome the step as an important development.

US support for Pakistan

Clinton said that the US continues to support the democratic process and economic prosperity in Pakistan

“The US has invested billions of dollars in Pakistan,” she said. “Why? Because a thriving Pakistan is good (for Pakistan) and the rest of the world.”

She added that the US government wants to foster sustainable development in Pakistan, and wants to maintain a relationship of mutual respect and responsibility.

Pakistan has made the most sacrifices: Khar

Foreign Minister Khar concluded the press conference by stating that the world must not forget Pakistan’s sacrifices and losses in the war on terror.

Khar added that Pakistan has suffered economically as well as lost thousands of lives in the fight against terror, and has showed great commitment as a partner in the war.

She also said that Pakistan and US together support an Afghan-led peace process.

Earlier in the press conference, Clinton expressed sympathy for the grievous toll terrorism has taken on Pakistan.

“For too long, extremists have been able to operate in Pakistan and from Pakistani soil,” said Clinton, adding that action should be taken against them to limit the loss of Pakistani, American and Afghan lives.
 
Kayani knew that one US carrier group is enough for Pakistand and Pakistan can't attack US soil directly.

Then what this is all about?
Go and ask Kyani or Hillary they can explain better if U so much curious......:smokin:

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Sometimes, its a little funny (and sad) that a lot of Pakistani members on this forum (wont generalize by assuming they are a representative sample of Pakistani population) feel vindicated by some seemingly soothing parting shots by American diplomats after being at the receiving end of a couple of days of hard talk about wild animals and snakes (lol Hillary and her comparatives) in Pakistan's backyard and references to "There's no place to go any longer"(for Pakistani leadership) and " Your country will pay a very big price"
I guess the snake reared in our backyard has slipped away alongwith Miss Hillary and thats why she came over here to get their favorite snake alongwith her....:D
 
Yes! its great Pakistan is preaching peace to the war mongers US zionists....whereas the ordinary Americans hate war.....Pakistan is doing a great job to establish and maintain peace around the world...:smokin:
 
Again the nukes are just referred to scare them off

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Read my post before posting your's

Is it possible that we were writing the post at the same time. Perhaps You live in a civilized nation so try to be courteous to fellow human beings. There is no need to come across as shouting person. I respect your views and you can counter those in a much more respectful ways in order to win the respect of fellow human beings.

By the way you posted your post at 8:46 PM. I was also responding to several posts at the same time. I hope you will heed to my request. Rest I will leave to you. Make your life a pleasure rather than angry outbursts. I want the best for your country who has suffered unnecessary so much in human life.

P.S:I just checked the time of my post it is 8:40 PM, computer does not lie and check the time of my post. I hope you will realize your mistake of angry insulting outbursts. I have already forgiven you because I know how much you love your country and want the best for its people.I will be looking forward to your many more posts in future.
 
Indian trolling must be excited by this news.

U-turn?: Convince Taliban to talk, US asks Pakistan

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‘MOTHER-IN-LAW’ IN TOWN: Hillary Clinton with Hina Rabbani Khar ahead of their joint press conference in Islamabad.

ISLAMABAD: After months of belligerent rhetoric, the US is now willing to hold talks with the Afghan Taliban – and is looking at Pakistan as its go-between.

Speaking at a flurry of events on Friday, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said she had asked Pakistan to “encourage the Taliban to enter negotiations in good faith.” These talks would also involve the Haqqani network, a move which speaks volumes for the US’ urgency to end the decade-old conflict in the war-torn country.


In apparent diplomatic double-speak, however, Clinton also insisted that Pakistan take action within “days and weeks” to dismantle alleged terrorist sanctuaries on its soil, warning that a failure to do so would have devastating consequences for all concerned. “We should be able to agree that for far too long extremists have been able to operate here in Pakistan and from Pakistani soil,” she said.

“It’s like that old story: you can’t keep snakes in your backyard and expect them only to bite your neighbours … eventually those snakes are going to turn on whoever has them in the backyard,” Clinton added.

Clinton’s requests for Pakistan to act as an intermediary were the first time the US had formally and publicly called for such action, and appear to reflect the Obama administration’s strong belief that Pakistan still holds significant sway over the Afghan Taliban. The secretary of state urged Pakistan to use its contacts with the “Pakistani Taliban, the Afghan Taliban, the Haqqanis and the other terrorist groups and try to get them into the peace process, but if that fails, to prevent them from committing more violence.”

Clinton has outlined three conditions for talks with the militants: they must lay down arms, abide by the Afghan constitution and respect basic human rights, especially women’s rights. On this latter point Clinton spoke at some length.

Despite reapplying pressure on Pakistan over alleged safe havens in North Waziristan, Clinton admitted, as had been earlier reported, that the US had already held a meeting with representatives from the Haqqani network, which was arranged through the ISI. “It was Pakistan who delivered the contact person,” Clinton said.

However, the Secretary of State stressed that the talks could not be termed a negotiation: “We’ve had one preliminary meeting just to see if they would show up.” It is believed the meeting took place during the summer, well before the attacks mounted by the insurgent group against US troops stationed in Afghanistan.

Clinton, who led a high-powered US delegation that includes CIA Director David Petraeus and the new Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempsey, held extensive talks with Pakistan’s top civil and military leadership. It was unusual for such senior civil, military and intelligence officials to undertake a joint trip to Pakistan, and the Secretary of State said this reflected the urgency and the importance of working through the many challenges that the countries face.

Asked whether Pakistan and the US had reached an understanding on the Haqqani network, Clinton said there are options other than a military clampdown. Although she said that Pakistan should not “allow them (the Haqqanis) across the border into Afghanistan,” the Secretary of State emphasised that the US was “on the same page with (Pakistan Army chief General Ashfaq Parvez) Kayani.”

Clinton also admitted that the US has no evidence of direct ISI involvement in the attack on the US Embassy in Kabul last month, as was earlier claimed by the US’ then top military man Admiral Mike Mullen. She also agreed that every intelligence agency has contacts with unsavory characters as it is part of their job.

The secretary of state went on to say that, at one point, Washington had considered unilateral action inside Pakistan. Clinton imagined a scenario in which more US personnel had lost their lives at the hands of the Haqqanis. Sentiments would have run high, she explained, but “boots on the ground was never a serious option.”

Foreign Minister Khar, who attended the high-level talks and held separate meeting with Clinton, acknowledged the presence of safe havens of terrorists in the tribal areas. “Do safe havens exist? Yes, they do exist – on both sides. Do we need to cooperate? Yes. We can cooperate more and achieve better results,” she added.

Clinton also highlighted the importance of trade between the two countries, having met President Asif Zardari and discussed economic cooperation. She added that the gas pipeline from Turkemenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan “is a good thing and we endorse it; it will bring prosperity to the region,” while urging caution over proposed cooperation with Iran, a “difficult and a dangerous” neighbour for Pakistan in her view.

Later Clinton interacted with Pakistani civil society leaders at a townhall style forum where she was confronted with tough questions. One of the female participants likened the United States to an unsatisfied mother-in-law.

Published in The Express Tribune, October 22nd, 2011.

U turn on your soil does not mean anything realistically. This might have been done to cool down the tempers. Real intentions are in their head only. Neither I nor you can read their mind. Therefore time will tell the exact intentions of USA. I will break down this article and give my POV at a later date.
 
Levin: U.S. Can Target Extremists if Pakistan Will Not

WASHINGTON, D.C. – In remarks this morning to the Council on Foreign Relations, Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said the United States should make clear to Pakistan that it cannot expect normal relations with the United States if extremists who attack U.S. forces in Afghanistan continue to find support and safe haven within Pakistan.

“If Pakistan will not take on the threat posed by the Haqqanis and other extremist groups based in Pakistan who attack our forces in Afghanistan, then we should be prepared to take steps to defend our troops,” Levin said in remarks prepared for delivery. Following is the full text of his prepared remarks:


Thank you for inviting me back to the Council on Foreign Relations. The Council’s work makes a significant contribution to the national discourse on the most pressing foreign policy issues of our day, and I am always glad to join with you in discussing those issues.

Last October, I came here to discuss President Obama’s decision to begin reducing the U.S. troop presence in Afghanistan – a decision that was under attack. I felt the reduction, which began in July, was vitally important, because it would provide a strong incentive for the Afghans to take responsibility for their own security, which in turn is essential to the success of our mission: helping build a stable Afghanistan that is able and willing to fight off attempts by the Taliban to retake control.

Two months ago, I made my sixth trip to Afghanistan. Afghan, U.S., and other coalition forces are making significant military progress. Security is improving in the south, and our military commanders are increasingly focused on the east, where the insurgent threat remains resilient, particularly the threat from the Haqqani network operating out of safe havens in Pakistan. The capabilities of the Afghanistan National Security Forces are growing, both in quantity and quality. Afghanistan’s army and police are almost 50,000 men stronger than when I spoke to you last year. Afghan forces are conducting a greater proportion of the missions and are increasingly in the lead. Just this week, The New York Times reported that Afghan troops lead a lengthy, intense operation to clear insurgents from a key supply route in Kunar province.

We are succeeding in training the Afghan army and other security forces to a higher level of effectiveness. And the Afghan Local Police program has shown initial success. In that program, our special operations forces live with and train local Afghans selected by the village elders and under the oversight of the Ministry of Interior. Their goal is to defend their own villages against the insurgents.

Finally, transition of security responsibility is moving forward, as Afghan forces have assumed the security lead in seven areas around Afghanistan. Afghan leaders continue to show that they understand the urgency of preparing for Afghan security forces taking the lead on security throughout Afghanistan by the 2014 date set by Presidents Obama and Karzai, a date endorsed by the international coalition. I have long believed that the Taliban’s worst nightmare is an Afghanistan secured by strong and effective Afghan forces that have the support of the Afghan people. That nightmare is becoming the Taliban’s reality.

This transition to Afghan control does not mean that the United States will abandon Afghanistan. The strategic partnership agreement being negotiated between the United States and Afghanistan will play an important role in demonstrating to the Afghan people and Afghanistan’s neighbors that the United States intends to remain engaged in Afghanistan and the region.

Of course, significant challenges remain, and, if not effectively addressed, could undermine security gains achieved at great cost. First, the government of Afghanistan needs to increase its legitimacy with the Afghan people. It needs to improve governance, deliver services, end corruption, and improve inclusiveness, transparency and adherence to the rule of law. But we should not ignore the fact that there has been some progress even in some of those areas. For instance, more than 2 million Afghan girls are in school today, compared to almost none in 2001. Infant mortality has fallen rapidly and access to health care has expanded. But there surely is a long way to go.

We should acknowledge that while we can cajole, encourage and pressure the Afghan government to provide good governance, we cannot guarantee it. Only the Afghans can do that. Hopefully the lessons of the Arab Spring have reached Afghanistan: Leaders who fail to deliver accountable and transparent government lose their legitimacy, and they are more and more finding that their political survival is at risk.

Even if the Karzai Government has the will to improve governance, it cannot succeed without security. The greatest threat to security in Afghanistan, and the focus of my remarks this morning, is the threat posed by the safe havens that harbor insurgents across the border in Pakistan. The Haqqani network in North Waziristan, in particular, has used its sanctuary in Pakistan to launch deadly attacks on Afghan, U.S. and other coalition forces in Afghanistan. Attacks by operatives of the Haqqani network include the attack on the Hotel Inter-Continental in Kabul in June that killed 21 people; the massive truck bomb in Wardak Province that injured several dozen U.S. soldiers; and the attack just last month on the U.S. Embassy in Kabul.

The threat emanating from these safe havens is not new. We have known about it for years and repeatedly pressed the Pakistanis to act. I have seen personally how Pakistan’s government has stalled and dissembled on this issue. I have repeatedly urged President Zardari, Prime Minister Gilani, and General Kayani, the Pakistani Army Chief of Army Staff, in meetings both here in Washington and in Islamabad, to act to eliminate these terrorist sanctuaries.

Typical of these experiences was the Pakistani response during my August visit, when I again raised the issue of safe havens in Pakistan. When we asked why the Pakistani military had not gone into North Waziristan to eliminate these safe havens, we heard the same excuses we have heard before about how the Pakistani Army was already over-committed elsewhere. I then pressed Prime Minister Gilani to explain why, if Pakistan for whatever reason can’t or won’t clear out these safe havens, senior Pakistan officials have not at least publicly condemned the deadly cross-border attacks by the Haqqanis and the Afghan Taliban. Prime Minister Gilani initially said that his government had publicly condemned these cross-border attacks, but he backed down when I asked him to provide examples of these public statements.

What has been apparent for years is that Pakistan military intelligence, the ISI, maintains ties with the Haqqani network and provides support to this group, even as these extremists engage in cross-border attacks against our forces. Recently, U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan Cameron Munter said in connection with the attack on the U.S. Embassy in Kabul that there was evidence linking the Haqqani network to the Pakistani government. And, of course, Admiral Mullen’s testimony last month before my Armed Services Committee that the Haqqani network acts as “a veritable arm” of the Pakistan ISI was a sharp public declaration by our top military officer, known as a friend of Pakistan. Admiral Mullen was deeply troubled by the deaths of our troops at the hands of the Haqqanis. We owe it to our military men and women sent into harm’s way that we challenge Pakistan over its support for the extremist groups that are attacking our troops, Afghan troops and civilians from Pakistani territory. It is unacceptable for the United States to spend its blood and treasure so that Afghanistan does not once again become a breeding ground for militant extremists while Pakistan protects terrorists who cross the border to attack us. Pakistan cannot evade its responsibility for its role in allowing and supporting these attacks.

At the least, Pakistan needs to condemn the attacks of the Haqqanis in Afghanistan, and Pakistani officials need to end their denials of plain truth. Lieutenant General Pasha, the head of the ISI, called Admiral Mullen’s testimony “baseless.” He denied that the Haqqani network was even in Pakistan and claimed that Pakistan had not provided the Haqqanis “a penny or provided even a single bullet.” President Zardari wrote movingly in a recent op-ed about the losses that Pakistan has suffered from extremist groups bent on terrorizing the Pakistani people, but failed to mention, much less condemn, the attacks that Haqqani and Taliban extremists based in Pakistan are conducting against our forces in Afghanistan.

So what actions are open to us to correct this situation? If Pakistan will not take on the threat posed by the Haqqanis and other extremist groups based in Pakistan who attack our forces in Afghanistan, then we should be prepared to take steps to defend our troops. It is consistent with established principles of international law for the United States to defend itself against cross-border attacks by insurgents based in Pakistan, and to respond to those attacks. The recent report that a Haqqani “coordinator” named Jalil was killed in a drone strike in the North Waziristan town of Miran Shah, the headquarters of the Haqqanis and an area that was heretofore off limits, if true, is an example of the kind of action that is overdue. We have the right to target not only forces and artillery attacking our forces in Afghanistan from across the border in Pakistan, but to target the people controlling those forces as well. As Secretary Panetta has said, “The message [the Pakistanis] need to know is: we’re going to do everything we can to defend our forces.”

We should inform Pakistan that it should not expect to normalize its relationship with the United States so long as it provides safe haven for violent extremist groups or uses terrorists as proxies to weaken other countries or bully them into acceding to Pakistan’s demands. We may not be able to persuade Pakistan that its activities are counterproductive for its own security and stability and for the security and stability of the region. But we must let them know clearly that this is a show-stopper to a normal relationship with the United States.

There is also evidence that the Pakistanis have interfered with attempts to achieve political reconciliation in Afghanistan, obstructing peace talks unless they can exercise control over the Taliban groups involved and the substance of the talks. We should be clear with the Pakistanis that obstruction of reconciliation efforts in Afghanistan is also an impediment to improved relations with us.

It is long past time for the United States to call the Haqqani network for what it is and add this extremist group to the State Department’s Foreign Terrorist Organization list. The Haqqanis should be listed alongside the Pakistan Taliban, Lashkar-e-Taiba, and Al Qaida as foreign terrorist organizations. Keeping the Haqqanis off that list has not encouraged the group to join a reconciliation process, nor has it prevented the Pakistani ISI from continuing its support for the Haqqanis. Designating the Haqqanis as a foreign terrorist organization would send another message to Pakistan that we will respond to its support to this extremist organization.

Nobody wants the U.S.-Pakistan relationship to return to the early 1990s, when the United States disengaged from Pakistan. Nowhere are the effects of that disengagement felt more strongly than in our bilateral military-to-military relations. A whole generation of mid-level Pakistani officers had no contact with their U.S. counterparts through such programs as the International Military Education and Training program. The absence of these connections has contributed to anti-Americanism among those now-senior Pakistani officers.

Admiral Mullen was right to say that a flawed relationship with Pakistan is better than none at all. We do need to stay engaged with Pakistan, to try to act together when our interests align. We should attempt to understand Pakistan’s motivations and concerns even when we disagree with them. And we should seek to build a bilateral relationship based on our shared interest in promoting democratic values, security and stability in Pakistan and throughout the region.

But in continuing to find ways to improve a “flawed relationship” we must also speak clearly. Pakistan’s foreign minister Hina Rabbini Khar recently said that if the United States persists in allegations about the ISI-Haqqani connection, the United States “will lose an ally.” Our response should be that if the only option Pakistan presents us is a choice between losing an ally and continuing to lose our troops, then we will choose the former.

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