Kasparov: Putin can start aggressive actions in Azerbaijan

[Hakan]

What bell does it ring for you? For me, it means that Israel and South Africa can make west agree to sell the western included tech to Azerbaijan, but Turkey cannot do so. What's the difference? to be pessimistic, Turkey has not been willing to use her influence, and optimistic view is Turkey has less lobby power than Israel, and South Africa, which I think it is the real reason behind it.

Why can't turkey? What it has 0 influence.

 

[xenon54 out]

Turkey has no need to that new pipeline, which will acount for half of total Turkey gas needs. Also, Turkey has already promised to finance part of the southern corridor. where the new finance for the Russia-Turkey pipeline are supposed to come from?
Read the article below to understand what I am talking about:
Why Turkey needs Russian gas

And how exactly does it act against Azerbaijans interests? Turkey is a relatively big country with increasing enegy hunger, add also that Turkey wants to become a hub for Gas supply to Europe, why would Turkey refuse such a offer?
If Tanap was cancelled for the sake of Russians then i would understand your concerns but every once a year we hear about a new project between Turkey and Azerbaijan, there is absolutely no reson for you to be worried.
Besides Turkey having something to pressure Russia in case of a war with Armenia is only positive for Azerbaijan.

Turkey did absolutely nothing. They even did not let Turkmens in Turkey, while kurds were OK to go to Turkey. BTW, what Turkey wants to do now? how those hundreds of raped and killed turkmen women are going to be treated now? Even Iran tried to help turkmens, but Erdogan did not.

You are talking without knowledge or just prefer to ignore my response because these things i told was done, here are my evidences.

Weapons for Turkmens:

Turkish governor blocks police search on Syria-bound truck reportedly carrying weapons - LOCAL


Turkmen refugees in Turkey:

Syrian Turkmen seek refuge in Turkey Anadolu Agency


Camp for Turkmens:

Turkey builds camp for Iraqi Turkmen refugees | Turkey Agenda

That's a lame excuse. fans in Tabriz bring flags of Azerbaijan and Turkey in international games, but they have not been forced to throw Turkey or Azerbaijan's flag into trash bin.

In other words im lying? Thats because its not as sensitive as a Turkey Armenia game, c'mon man.
FIFA bans Azeri flags at Turkey -Armenia football match - PanARMENIAN.Net

Which part of it is surprising?

For me it is not, its naturally.

Well, I disagree with this one. When Azerbaijan got sanctioned by Europeans, Turkey did nothing to oppose it, or did not try to receive arms exports license from europeans.

What exactly could Turkey do to stop Europe from imposing sanctions? Turkey itself got sanctioned and couldnt do anything against it, hell even Russia tasted it.

Bro, I fully know how jewish lobby in USA has started to help Azerbaijani ambassador to have lobby power in USA. In the recent visit of Azerbaijan ambassador to east coast cities, he was accompanied by the Israeli ambassador, and he was introduced to jewish community in each city in order for receiving their help for Azerbaijan. Israel has far more lobby power than Turkey in the world. BTW, I don't know what else you expected from Israel to do for us?

Israel has more lobby power thats true but what did they do for Azerbaijan exactly? Turkey on the other hand always defended Azerbaijan at every opportunity.

I am a realistic person, dude. Although I can write many nice words in a 24/7 basis, but I prefer to write bitter truth as well.

I dont want your nice words just be fair, im sure every Azeri here in forum except you will agree with me about what i wrote above because they know the reality between Azeri-Turkish relations. Small incidents like you mentioned to prove why Israel is more reliable than Turkey will happen but it will stay a small incident that wont drive us apart.

Your unconditional trust in Israel and hate for Turkeys goverment makes you biased, sry to say this but it is what it is.

 

[rmi5]

But i can say you one thing that Russia push Azerbaijan with their language. all schools teach Russian language from early years and more and more people start talking in Russian. This will have worse results in the future i guess. It change people to read Russian news, and ...

That's a valid fair criticism. I have some good friends in Azerbaijan national academy of science, hence I tried to read their papers, but I saw that papers are usually available in 2 languages, our own and Russian.
I do believe that the education system needs to change. My suggestions are:
1) Including mandatory english language learning in universities and high schools
2) financing one of the big universities, let's say Baku state university, to invest and cooperate with top american universities, and bringing american professors, and implementing exchange student program.
3) Providing financial aids for Azeri students with some contracts with US universities. Iran did so in 1970s and sent a lot of Iranians to stanford, berkley, MIT, ... in which the ones who came back to Iran, built the whole industrial, and engineering backbone of Iran.
4) allocating 3-5% of GDP for R&D section.
5) changing the conscripting to doing research project for army for the talented students
6) paying good salary to PhD students, and involving them in military and industrial projects
...

 

[xenon54 out]

Dude, we are brother countries.. no needs to mention it. Even though iffff you dont wanna fight againts nukes of Russia, you will support Azerbaijan with your weapons and turn the are to the hell for invaders.. Azerbaijan got enough man to fight. Today, there are officially 300(but normally more than thousand) Azerbaijani went to fight in SYria. I for example find it foolish, but imagine in case of war against Russia or Armenia, It would easily turn to be millions... We Turks have one culture, we have friends, but we also build our "plan B", in case things doesnt go well. This is the reason today Azerbaijan built strong army. In case we get HISAR-a or HISAR-o, Russia will need get their ground forces to win.
But i can say you one thing that Russia push Azerbaijan with their language. all schools teach Russian language from early years and more and more people start talking in Russian. This will have worse results in the future i guess. It change people to read Russian news, and ...


Dude, dont take our time, its not a school for you. go to ask your mom those questions..

I on my part dont have the smallest doubt about Turkish Azeri brotherhood.

 

[rmi5]

Why can't turkey? What it has 0 influence.

For SA, and Israel, the case is different. Because they have money, and are well organized. Also, they don't promote islamism and crazies. Also, they belong to judeo-christian world.

And how exactly does it act against Azerbaijans interests? Turkey is a relatively big country with inclearing enegy hunger, add also that Turkey wants to become a hub for Gas supply to Europe, why would Turkey refuse such a offer?
If Tanap was cancelled for the sake of Russians then i would understand your concerns but every once a year we hear about a new project between Turkey and Azerbaijan, there is absolutely no reson for you to be worried.
Besides Turkey having something to pressure Russia in case of a war with Armenia is only positive for Azerbaijan.

Did you read that article? It's about finance. Either Turkey needs to drop this project, or Southern corridor in the future.

You are talking without knowledge or just prefer to ignore my response because these things i told was done, here are my evidences.

Weapons for Turkmens:

Turkish governor blocks police search on Syria-bound truck reportedly carrying weapons - LOCAL


Turkmen refugees in Turkey:

Syrian Turkmen seek refuge in Turkey Anadolu Agency


Camp for Turkmens:

Turkey builds camp for Iraqi Turkmen refugees | Turkey Agenda

Camps inside Iraq? right? That's what I was saying. BTW, no arm is sent to Turkmens, at all.

In other words im lying? Thats because its not as sensitive as a Turkey Armenia game, c'mon man.
FIFA bans Azeri flags at Turkey -Armenia football match - PanARMENIAN.Net

That's just a lame excuse as I said before. BTW, I have seen no law to throw our flag into trash bin.
BTW, you have posted from PanArmenian.net

What exactly could Turkey do to stop Europe from imposing sanctions? Turkey itself got sanctioned and couldnt do anything against it, hell even Russia tasted it.
Israel has more lobby power thats true but what did they do for Azerbaijan exactly?

You are comparing 2 unrelated cases. So, how can Israel use western tech and sell to us, but you get trapped in sanctions? Think about it.

Turkey on the other hand always defended Azerbaijan at every opportunity.

What opportunity?

I dont want your nice words just be fair, im sure every Azeri here in forum except you will agree with me about what i wrote above because they know the reality between Azeri-Turkish relations. Small incidents like you mentioned to prove why Israel is more reliable than Turkey will happen but it will stay a small incident that wont drive us apart.

Your unconditional trust in Israel and hate for Turkeys goverment makes you biased, sry to say this but it is what it is.

OK, sorry dude, but you cannot handle serious discussions and get emotional and personal. Better to only contact each other in chill threads.
About other Azeri members, I just want to burst your delusion bubble(if there is any), and tell you that I doubt if half of them have a more positive view than me regarding your government.

 

[xenon54 out]

Did you read that article? It's about finance. Either Turkey needs to drop this project, or Southern corridor in the future.

Thats what that guy is claiming, nothing with Azerbaijan will be cancelled, not for the sake of Russians.

Camps inside Iraq? right? That's what I was saying. BTW, no arm is sent to Turkmens, at all.

Yeah helping wherever they need it, its not like Turkmens who seek refugee in Turkey will be denied, there are already Turkmen refugees in Turkey.

And Turkmens got no weapons because the convoy was stopped by military who thought it was weapon smuggling because it was a covered mission by intelligence.

That's just a lame excuse as I said before. BTW, I have seen no law to throw our flag into trash bin.

No its the reason why it was collected in the first place, and it was not a trash bin but a box for collecting the flags which still was the wrong way to do it but i already wrote about the reaction.
People clashed with police just not to give Azeri flag away and got tear gassed, as i said you just look at the things as it fits you.

You are comparing 2 unrelated cases. So, how can Israel use western tech and sell to us, but you get trapped in sanctions? Think about it.

Is it our fault? Israel can even do things that can be considered as war crimes, such as violating UN resolutions and get avay with it.

What opportunity?

I have seen countless speeches of Erdogan where he is defending Azerbaijan, even in Europe.

OK, sorry dude, but you cannot handle serious discussions and get emotional and personal. Better to only contact each other in chill threads.

You still didnt answered how Israel is more reliable in helping Azerbaijan than Turkey even thought Turkey did thousand times more for Azerbaijan that Israel, no bro i think i can handle it quite good, and yes i got emotional, how could i not by such a dissapointing claim?

About other Azeri members, I just want to burst your delusion bubble(if there is any), and tell you that I doubt if half of them have a more positive view than me regarding your government.

Well, two of them who read it agreed already.

Bro i just tell you that you will be dissapointed if you really think Israel can replace Turkey for Azerbaijan regarding Karabakh, you are dead wrong.

 

[Hakan]

For SA, and Israel, the case is different. Because they have money, and are well organized. Also, they don't promote islamism and crazies. Also, they belong to judeo-christian world.

I think you have a big misconception about Turkey which is mostly based on your own social and political outlook of the world not facts.

Its very obvious that Turkey and certain western countries like the U.S, Britain, and france (dependent on government) are cooperating at a very high level.

Some examples:
Lockheed Martin Teams with Roketsan of Turkey on New Standoff Missile for the F-35 · Lockheed Martin
Factory in Turkey to build F-35 jet engine parts | F-35 Lightning II
Turkey is in NATO and has nato bases.
Turkey has many troops in afghanistan, kosovo, is participating in anti piracy operations etc.
Many exercises with western countries on a regular basis.
Big amount of trade with the e.u
Bosphorus is very important for restricting russia

When we look at the facts we can see that Turkey and the west have very deep cooperation on many levels. Turkey is reducing its dependence on the west and is going about doing its own thing but that doesn't mean that relationship is over.

And to say south africa is somehow more organized than turkey and has more money is wrong. They are a poor country and most of their scientific development and progress was a long time ago. They aren't the same animal today.

Regarding the judeo christian thing you are right but Turks aren't going to change in order to fit into that group.

I am realistic, not pessimistic. I consider the new deals about pipeline with Russia, as a direct threat to Azerbaijan. BTW, as governments are concerned, it's not hard to predict many of their policies. Some months ago, when ISIS attacked Turkmens in Iraq, I clearly said that Erdogan will do nothing, although many of you guys were thinking in another way. I clearly remember what happened in Armenia-Turkey game in Turkey, and what happened to Azerbaijani flag, ....
Let's not go that far, but I very well know what people like erdogan think and do.

So azerbaijan can work with countries that are hostile to turkey (Israel) but turkey can't work with russia which is a major arms supplier to azerbaijan? Doesnt make sense because russia was going have a pipeline go to europe anyway so now instead of it going through some other country it will go through Turkey.

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@xenon54 answered the concern about turkmens. But i want to ask what has the azeri gov't done to help the turkmens? What about uyghurs or crimean tatars.? Im asking you because I dont know. After doing a google search nothing came up about uyghurs and the only thing I found about the crimean tatars is an article that says azerbaijan hasn't even reacted to tatar calls for help but we don't see any criticism from you regarding that, all we see what Turkey isn't doing.

Crimean Tatars Ask Azerbaijan's Ilham Aliyev for Help | EurasiaNet.org
Only thing I found about Iraqi turkmens and its not even from the government:
APA - Azerbaijan starts Haray aid campaign to support Iraqi Turkmens

Also the turkish olympiad is an event from the Gulen movement everyone in Turkey knows that.

I also want to point out that the presidential guards are holding the flags of Turkic empires at the new presidential palace. Something not seen in other turkic countries.

 

[usernameless]

OK, that's what I was saying and that's why Turkey will not support us against Russia.

I remember how happy he was happy when that olympiad of Turkic countries was cancelled. His bro, Davutoglu, is also famous for his threory, new ottomanism, and not for new Turkic union. Simply, they are islamists, and their priorities are arabs not us.

were they supposed to decrease?

What Kyrgyz PM did, was very wrong. I would have blamed Aliyev if he was doing the same, but hopefully he is not interferring in Turkey's internal affairs.

They simply don't care about Turkic countries, nothing more, nothing less.

bro, when it comes to Turkey you come up with bizarre accusations (Turkey dropping Azerbaijan for Russia, domestic policies, not caring about Turkic world) while you can't follow Turkish news first hand like you admitted (yes, foreign/western media IS biased about Turkey and almost anything that happens in our country, i say this as someone who has lived his life abroad and follows Turkish and European news daily, be it pro or anti govt). Believing Israel will be able to replace Turkey in case of a war with Russia is seriously a fallacy. Azerbaijanis from Azerbaijan know better who is a bigger support. The only thing i can give you is that, like i said last time, akp's first priority should be the Turkic world instead of the ME where we aside from trade and soft power are unwelcome to begin with anyway.

The pipeline from Russia is not a treat to Azerbaijan at all, it wouldnt be the first pipeline from Russia to Turkey, the current projects between Turkey and Azerbaijan will be realized and much more cooperation will follow im dead sure.

About Turkemens, yes the goverment was slow with help and we all went berzerk (with we i mean people in Turkey) about it if you remember, but its not true to claim they did nothing, they got secret weapon deliverys which was declared as delivery to isis by international media after it got uncovered by our own military btw, they have been offered refugee in Turkey, and built a camp inside Iraq.

About Azeri flags, it was FIFA that forbid it to avoid a political scandal, the treatment of the collected flags from fans which we also consider it as our honor was indeed shameful and got heavily critisized by left and right.

Turkey is unconditionally ready to share everything regarding military tech with Azerbaijan, ofcourse we cant supply them with all their needs but we do what we can and we are improving in many fields regarding military tech, Azerbaijan will get all of this if they want it once its aviable, there wont be any weapon system Turkey wouldnt give to Azerbaijan, i would bet my head off for this.
Not to mention sharing NATO standart military schooling and helping building up a army structure.

After indepence from Soviet union many instituions in Azerbaijan be it regarding state or economy was built up with Turkeys help, the first that comes to my mind is Azercell, Azerbaijans biggest phone company which was established in cooperation with Turkcell, there are many more exsamples which i dont even know.

Other thing is Turkey is also supporting Azerbaijan in international politics no matter what topic and trying to represent Azerbaijani interests as much as possible and would oppose any decision against Azeris.

The question is, why did we all this? Not because Azerbaijan is any other caucasus state, it is something special for us, there are surely also economic interests behind it but its not reason enought for all this.

Now can you say Israel is doing all this for Azerbaijan? No you cant, because all Israel did is selling you weapon systems and buying your oil, thats by far not enough to even compare it to Turkish support.

Im very uncomfortable to mention all this and i wish i could hold my promise not to drag this any further and believe me i still hold myself back and deleted some parts just not to be offensive but what you are claiming here is like a slap in our face.

well said, even the notion of comparing Turkey's support for Azerbaijan with that of Israel already raises eyebrows.

 

[xenon54 out]

@xenon54 answered the concern about turkmens. But i want to ask what has the azeri gov't done to help the turkmens? What about uyghurs or crimean tatars.? Im asking you because I dont know. After doing a google search nothing came up about uyghurs and the only thing I found about the crimean tatars is an article that says azerbaijan hasn't even reacted to tatar calls for help but we don't see any criticism from you regarding that, all we see what Turkey isn't doing.

Crimean Tatars Ask Azerbaijan's Ilham Aliyev for Help | EurasiaNet.org
Only thing I found about Iraqi turkmens and its not even from the government:
APA - Azerbaijan starts Haray aid campaign to support Iraqi Turkmens

Bro dont jump into that blaming train, thats what i meant with im holding back with replys because i dont wanna reply in same fashion as rmi5, Azerbaijan isnt able to do anything for these people, they arent to blame and their reaction is understandable.

 

[rmi5]

Thats what that guy is claiming, nothing with Azerbaijan will be cancelled, not for the sake of Russians.

Bro, I see facts not emotions, and that guy brings facts, and numbers.

Yeah helping wherever they need it, its not like Turkmens who seek refugee in Turkey will be denied, there are already Turkmen refugees in Turkey.

And Turkmens got no weapons because the convoy was stopped by military who thought it was weapon smuggling because it was a covered mission by intelligence.

Come on man. I don't believe it. Are you telling me that military and intelligence in your country do not know what they are doing, and counter each other?

No its the reason why it was collected in the first place, and it was not a trash bin but a box for collecting the flags which still was the wrong way to do it but i already wrote about the reaction.
People clashed with police just not to give Azeri flag away and got tear gassed, as i said you just look at the things as it fits you.

I am not satisfied with this explanation, since I have seen how people can do the same thing in Iran and FIFA does not give a damn, but fans cannot do it in Turkey.

Is it our fault?

YES

You still didnt answered how Israel is more reliable in helping Azerbaijan than Turkey even thought Turkey did thousand times more for Azerbaijan that Israel,

That's very simple.
Read about the hostage issue in Uganda, and how Israel dealt with it(I strongly suggest you to read about it) and compare it with turkish embassy hostage crisis, and also what happened to Turkmens in Iraq.
Operation Entebbe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

no bro i think i can handle it quite good, and yes i got emotional, how could i not by such a dissapointing claim?
Bro i just tell you that you will be dissapointed if you really think Israel can replace Turkey for Azerbaijan regarding Karabakh, you are dead wrong.

Dude, what I am saying is the bitter truth.

I think you have a big misconception about Turkey which is mostly based on your own social and political outlook of the world not facts.

Its very obvious that Turkey and certain western countries like the U.S, Britain, and france (dependent on government) are cooperating at a very high level.

Some examples:
Lockheed Martin Teams with Roketsan of Turkey on New Standoff Missile for the F-35 · Lockheed Martin
Factory in Turkey to build F-35 jet engine parts | F-35 Lightning II
Turkey is in NATO and has nato bases.
Turkey has many troops in afghanistan, kosovo, is participating in anti piracy operations etc.
Many exercises with western countries on a regular basis.
Big amount of trade with the e.u
Bosphorus is very important for restricting russia

When we look at the facts we can see that Turkey and the west have very deep cooperation on many levels. Turkey is reducing its dependence on the west and is going about doing its own thing but that doesn't mean that relationship is over.

Your logic fails, because all of these stuff has happened in the past. Would US let Turkey to participate in F-35 project if you were asking them now? BTW, NATO membership happened since west needed Turkey to protect her interests against USSR.

And to say south africa is somehow more organized than turkey and has more money is wrong. They are a poor country and most of their scientific development and progress was a long time ago. They aren't the same animal today.

South Africa is/was the white part of South Africa, and they are basically british and will have unconditional support of USA, and UK for obvious reasons.

Regarding the judeo christian thing you are right but Turks aren't going to change in order to fit into that group.

Yes, but Turkey can stop spreading islamism.

So azerbaijan can work with countries that are hostile to turkey (Israel) but turkey can't work with russia which is a major arms supplier to azerbaijan? Doesnt make sense because russia was going have a pipeline go to europe anyway so now instead of it going through some other country it will go through Turkey.

Why should we ruin our relations with Israel, for the sake of new ottomanism BS of Mr. Davutoglu and Mr. Erdogan? we are not stupids.

@xenon54 answered the concern about turkmens. But i want to ask what has the azeri gov't done to help the turkmens? What about uyghurs or crimean tatars.? Im asking you because I dont know. After doing a google search nothing came up about uyghurs and the only thing I found about the crimean tatars is an article that says azerbaijan hasn't even reacted to tatar calls for help but we don't see any criticism from you regarding that, all we see what Turkey isn't doing.

Crimean Tatars Ask Azerbaijan's Ilham Aliyev for Help | EurasiaNet.org
Only thing I found about Iraqi turkmens and its not even from the government:
APA - Azerbaijan starts Haray aid campaign to support Iraqi Turkmens

What we are supposed to do? Do we border Iraq to send them arms or accept their refugees? do we have black sea coast? How we are supposed to help them? The only ones that we can help are South Azerbaijanis(In which currently they are receiving helps ), Chechens, and Georgians.

bro, when it comes to Turkey you come up with bizarre accusations (Turkey dropping Azerbaijan for Russia, domestic policies, not caring about Turkic world) while you can't follow Turkish news first hand like you admitted (yes, foreign/western media IS biased about Turkey and almost anything that happens in our country, i say this as someone who has lived his life abroad and follows Turkish and European news daily, be it pro or anti govt). Believing Israel will be able to replace Turkey in case of a war with Russia is seriously a fallacy. Azerbaijanis from Azerbaijan know better who is a bigger support. The only thing i can give you is that, like i said last time, akp's first priority should be the Turkic world instead of the ME where we aside from trade and soft power are unwelcome to begin with anyway.

AKP will do nothing for a real turkic union. You can mark my word.
BTW, most newspapers with good reputation, have an english website as well. We are no longer in 15th century bro

 

[xenon54 out]

Bro, I see facts not emotions, and that guy brings facts, and numbers.

No hes is just making a guess what might happen in future no fact in it, as i said no project with Azeris is going to be cancelled for the sake of Russians.

Come on man. I don't believe it. Are you telling me that military and intelligence in your country do not know what they are doing, and counter each other?

Thats what intelliegence agencies do, keeping their operations secret, do you think US army has clue about everything what CIA does?

I am not satisfied with this explanation, since I have seen how people can do the same thing in Iran and FIFA does not give a damn, but fans cannot do it in Turkey.

Doesnt matter if it satifies you, it is what it is, Iran is also hanging hunderts of people per year but UNO does nothing about it, what is a football game compared to this?

YES

Yeah, dont blame western hypocracy, blame your closest ally, very good rmi5, bravo.

That's very simple.
Read about the hostage issue in Uganda, and how Israel dealt with it(I strongly suggest you to read about it) and compare it with turkish embassy hostage crisis, and also what happened to Turkmens in Iraq.
Operation Entebbe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even though operation entebbe was successfull and deserves to be applauded for its well execution i dont think Israelis will do anything near as this for Azeris, if you seriously believe Israel will do anything in favour of Azeris without seeking any profit behind it then your living in delusion.

Dude, what I am saying is the bitter truth.

No your claiming things that turns out to be wrong.

 

[rmi5]

No hes is just making a guess what might happen in future no fact in it, as i said no project with Azeris is going to be cancelled for the sake of Russians.

Bring me facts, and disprove his claims, then.

Thats what intelliegence agencies do, keeping their operations secret, do you think US army has clue about everything what CIA does?

Come on man ... is it supposed to be a joke? intelligence agency in every single country of the world can solve such issue with two phone calls in less than 10 minutes. If not, you need to throw both of them out .

Doesnt matter if it satifies you, it is what it is, Iran is also hanging hunderts of people per year but UNO does nothing about it, what is a football game compared to this?

What it has to do with my comment?

Yeah, dont blame western hypocracy, blame your closest ally, very good rmi5, bravo.

What hypocrisy? The case is very simple. Turkey is driving in the wrong way. So, she should not expect EU, and USA to be in favor of her. That's really simple. It is called simple common sense.
Also, I don't have non-sense anti-semitism sentiments.

Even though operation entebbe was successfull and deserves to be applauded for its well execution i dont think Israelis will do anything near as this for Azeris, if you seriously believe Israel will do anything in favour of Azeris without seeking any profit behind it then your living in delusion.

Why should israel do such things for us? We already have an intelligence agency and special forces for such cases.
BTW, I don't remember Turkey to sell us cobras freely. No one is supposed to have business with no profits.

 

[gangsta_rap]

Conflict with Azerbaijan might be seen as an aggression with the Islamic world won't it? It won't matter if Azerbaijan is shia majority and secular. Like how in the karabakh war there were mujahideen volunteers present on Azerbaijan's side.

 

[xenon54 out]

Bring me facts, and disprove his claims, then.

Well nothing is cancelled or did i miss something?

Come on man ... is it supposed to be a joke? intelligence agency in every single country of the world can solve such issue with two phone calls in less than 10 minutes. If not, you need to throw both of them out .

The problem is its still a illegal weapon smuggling and the fact that the weapons were heading to Turkmens to fight Isis doesnt change anything, now there is a investigation about it.
Things would have ended different if they had openly declared the weapon support for Turkmens just as Germany did to Pesh but at that time hostage crisis was there and isis wanted to attack Suleyman Shah Tomb which on the other hand would make it silly to do so.

What it has to do with my comment?

Just pointing out why your comment doesnt make sense.

What hypocrisy? The case is very simple. Turkey is driving in the wrong way. So, she should not expect EU, and USA to be in favor of her. That's really simple. It is called simple common sense.
Also, I don't have non-sense anti-semitism sentiments.

It is a hypocricy if Europe allows the country X to export their weapons with European parts to a sanctioned country but forbids it to the country Y.
And bro dont play the anti-semitism card to me, im immune against it since im the first one to oppose any kind af racism and facism.

Why should israel do such things for us? We already have an intelligence agency and special forces for such cases.
BTW, I don't remember Turkey to sell us cobras freely. No one is supposed to have business with no profits.

Then i dont know what you are expecting from Israel to do for Azerbaijan what Turkey didnt do already, and the fact that you ignore all the things what Turkey did for Azerbaijan is, well, i dont know what i should call it.


Bro look im going to end this here, im tired of repeating myself, i feel like we are in a discussion in Iranian section, you are a member i like but you are not objective, your hate for Turkish goverment makes you blind for all the things Turkey did, doing and trying to do for Azerbaijan, you dont do a favor to anyone with this behavior and you obviously dont wanna accept how wrong you are with these claims.

I dont wanna have bad blood with you, i dont know maybe your angry at me now which i hope not, im not angry at you but im honest with you, you are biased on certain things and even come up with ridiculous claims to back your wrong arguments.
Lets end it here before any Azeri brother gets mad because of our discussion i shouldnt have dragged it that far in the first place, we the people and the Turkish Republic wants only the best for our brothers, good night.

 

[rmi5]

Well nothing is cancelled or did i miss something?

No proof, as I expected.

The problem is its still a illegal weapon smuggling and the fact that the weapons were heading to Turkmens to fight Isis doesnt change anything, now there is a investigation about it.
Things would have ended different if they had openly declared the weapon support for Turkmens just as Germany did to Pesh but at that time hostage crisis was there and isis wanted to attack Suleyman Shah Tomb which on the other hand would make it silly to do so.

Hostage crisis was mostly an excuse for Turkish government, in order to flee from western pressure regarding ISIS. It was supposed to be solved much sooner, but they delayed it, as your intelligence service said.

It is a hypocricy if Europe allows the country X to export their weapons with European parts to a sanctioned country but forbids it to the country Y.
And bro dont play the anti-semitism card to me, im immune against it since im the first one to oppose any kind af racism and facism.

Why is it hypocrisy? West does not trust Turkey as much as Israel for obvious reasons. In addition, lobbying is how the western politics works. So, what's the hypocrisy?

Then i dont know what you are expecting from Israel to do for Azerbaijan what Turkey didnt do already, and the fact that you ignore all the things what Turkey did for Azerbaijan is, well, i dont know what i should call it.

Turkey is a neighbor turk country which has big claims about brotherhood. That's the difference.
PS. the brotherhood really exists between our nations.

Bro look im going to end this here, im tired of repeating myself, i feel like we are in a discussion in Iranian section, you are a member i like but you are not objective, your hate for Turkish goverment makes you blind for all the things Turkey did, doing and trying to do for Azerbaijan, you dont do a favor to anyone with this behavior and you obviously dont wanna accept how wrong you are with these claims.

Don't try to turn it around. What I am saying is very clear, and is the truth. Sorry if I don't care for empty words.
BTW, what do you mean by being objective? Am I supposed to believe your government like a fool to become "objective".
Personal insults are easy, but fruitless.

I dont wanna have bad blood with you, i dont know maybe your angry at me now which i hope not, im not angry at you but im honest with you, you are biased on certain things and even come up with ridiculous claims to back your wrong arguments.
Lets end it here before any Azeri brother gets mad because of our discussion i shouldnt have dragged it that far in the first place, we the people and the Turkish Republic wants only the best for our brothers, good night.

I mentioned many facts, but you just wrote bunch of non-sense state propagandas. Sorry, but as I said before, you cannot handle a serious discussion

Conflict with Azerbaijan might be seen as an aggression with the Islamic world won't it? It won't matter if Azerbaijan is shia majority and secular. Like how in the karabakh war there were mujahideen volunteers present on Azerbaijan's side.

I don't think so. The only country who cared for this cause, was Pakistan. Some Afghan groups sent Volunteers as well.
Except for that, the rest of the muslims who helped us, were either turks, or our neighbors.