Kasparov: Putin can start aggressive actions in Azerbaijan

[usernameless]

I clearly said before that I fully distinguish between Turkish citizens and their government.
Turk nation will obviously try to help us, but your government will not do much. That's my whole point.

why do you think so? can you read the govt's mind? Ties with Azerbaijan are increasing, govt is not blind, Azerbaijan will be link between Turkmenistan. The more Turkey and Azerbaijan grows, the more Turkey will be obliged to stand up for Azerbaijan and our common interests. The only thing that might be against us is time. Now we are developing and not yet where we want to be, so Russia indeed could want to screw things up for us before we can establish even stronger links. Don't be that pessimistic bro.

 

[rmi5]

Your argument was Turkey is not giving f16 or other western equipment. If it was legally possible we would do it.

Bro, my point was the same. my point was that as long as Turkey uses western equipments, she cannot legally sell them to us, unless west agrees with that, in which EU is not willing to do so, because of Karabagh issue.

More importantly what Turkey has including f16 and other western tech should be considered as Azerbaijan's weapons too. What does it matter if we have it or you have it.

That's just nice words bro.

As Aliyev said our most important foreign policy is to strengthen Turkey since how stronger it gets that would be added power to Azerbaijan. I don't like Erdogan but he is not anti Turkic as you think. Aliyev and Erdogan have very close relationship. If Azerbaijan gets hurt. Turkey will get hurt and visa versa.

Aliyev is also a pragmatist person. I would assure you that he would have a close relationship with Any person who is the leader of Turkey, because what is important for us, is turkey not erdogan nor his party.

 

[F-15I]

We ask Russian gas because you are cheap. We can buy the same stuff from Iraq, Iran or Azerbaijan while it is cheaper to produce for them.

You have no influence over Turkey. We have influence over Russia.

ruskiy if Turkey will not buy your gus you will be in big problem
big percent of russians economy depends on gus export

 

[rmi5]

why do you think so? can you read the govt's mind? Ties with Azerbaijan are increasing, govt is not blind, Azerbaijan will be link between Turkmenistan. The more Turkey and Azerbaijan grows, the more Turkey will be obliged to stand up for Azerbaijan and our common interests. The only thing that might be against us is time. Now we are developing and not yet where we want to be, so Russia indeed could want to screw things up for us before we can establish even stronger links. Don't be that pessimistic bro.

I am realistic, not pessimistic. I consider the new deals about pipeline with Russia, as a direct threat to Azerbaijan. BTW, as governments are concerned, it's not hard to predict many of their policies. Some months ago, when ISIS attacked Turkmens in Iraq, I clearly said that Erdogan will do nothing, although many of you guys were thinking in another way. I clearly remember what happened in Armenia-Turkey game in Turkey, and what happened to Azerbaijani flag, ....
Let's not go that far, but I very well know what people like erdogan think and do.

 

[usernameless]

I am realistic, not pessimistic. I consider the new deals about pipeline with Russia, as a direct threat to Azerbaijan. BTW, as governments are concerned, it's not hard to predict many of their policies. Some months ago, when ISIS attacked Turkmens in Iraq, I clearly said that Erdogan will do nothing, although many of you guys were thinking in another way. I clearly remember what happened in Armenia-Turkey game in Turkey, and what happened to Azerbaijani flag, ....
Let's not go that far, but I very well know what people like erdogan think and do.

you can be angry as much as you want, i strongly hate some of his policies too, but Turkey too is forced to act within its boundaries. If you want to be realistic, then you too should understand that Turkey as a country will realistically weigh the pros and cons and look after its interests for the long term with its current assets. Erdogan is not anti-Turkic as you like to make of him, Turkic relations are increasing under his term. Did you know that he is also the first Turkish pm who ever visited the Uyghurs in China? that ties are ever increasing with Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan? that the Kyrgyz pm addressed an akp crowd some while ago and told them to be proud and more hardworking? akp is definitely not neglecting the Turkic part, though personally i would have loved it if they would trade in a portion of their ME vision and focus on the Turkic world, don't think so black and white please.

 

[F-15I]

Azerbaijan. What is that? a country? a city? an American state?

how do you have internet acsess in the factory you work?

 

[Gabriel92]

how do you have internet acsess in the factory you work?

 

[rmi5]

you can be angry as much as you want, i strongly hate some of his policies too, but Turkey too is forced to act within its boundaries. If you want to be realistic, then you too should understand that Turkey as a country will realistically weigh the pros and cons and look after its interests for the long term with its current assets.

OK, that's what I was saying and that's why Turkey will not support us against Russia.

Erdogan is not anti-Turkic as you like to make of him,

I remember how happy he was happy when that olympiad of Turkic countries was cancelled. His bro, Davutoglu, is also famous for his threory, new ottomanism, and not for new Turkic union. Simply, they are islamists, and their priorities are arabs not us.

Turkic relations are increasing under his term.

were they supposed to decrease?

Did you know that he is also the first Turkish pm who ever visited the Uyghurs in China? that ties are ever increasing with Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan? that the Kyrgyz pm addressed an akp crowd some while ago and told them to be proud and more hardworking?

What Kyrgyz PM did, was very wrong. I would have blamed Aliyev if he was doing the same, but hopefully he is not interferring in Turkey's internal affairs.

akp is definitely not neglecting the Turkic part, though personally i would have loved it if they would trade in a portion of their ME vision and focus on the Turkic world, don't think so black and white please.

They simply don't care about Turkic countries, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[atatwolf]

Politics is always about balancing but I don't see Erdogan sacrifising Azerbaijan for gas we can also get from Azerbaijan, Iraq and Iran. About weapon embargo on Azerbaijan. Why do you think Turkey is producing domestic weapons? If everything goes as planned the Turkic world will determine their own path thanks to independence of arms production. In the future we will have our own tanks, fighters, warships, etc.

 

[xenon54 out]

I am realistic, not pessimistic. I consider the new deals about pipeline with Russia, as a direct threat to Azerbaijan. BTW, as governments are concerned, it's not hard to predict many of their policies. Some months ago, when ISIS attacked Turkmens in Iraq, I clearly said that Erdogan will do nothing, although many of you guys were thinking in another way. I clearly remember what happened in Armenia-Turkey game in Turkey, and what happened to Azerbaijani flag, ....
Let's not go that far, but I very well know what people like erdogan think and do.

The pipeline from Russia is not a treat to Azerbaijan at all, it wouldnt be the first pipeline from Russia to Turkey, the current projects between Turkey and Azerbaijan will be realized and much more cooperation will follow im dead sure.

About Turkemens, yes the goverment was slow with help and we all went berzerk (with we i mean people in Turkey) about it if you remember, but its not true to claim they did nothing, they got secret weapon deliverys which was declared as delivery to isis by international media after it got uncovered by our own military btw, they have been offered refugee in Turkey, and built a camp inside Iraq.

About Azeri flags, it was FIFA that forbid it to avoid a political scandal, the treatment of the collected flags from fans which we also consider it as our honor was indeed shameful and got heavily critisized by left and right.

Turkey is unconditionally ready to share everything regarding military tech with Azerbaijan, ofcourse we cant supply them with all their needs but we do what we can and we are improving in many fields regarding military tech, Azerbaijan will get all of this if they want it once its aviable, there wont be any weapon system Turkey wouldnt give to Azerbaijan, i would bet my head off for this.
Not to mention sharing NATO standart military schooling and helping building up a army structure.

After indepence from Soviet union many instituions in Azerbaijan be it regarding state or economy was built up with Turkeys help, the first that comes to my mind is Azercell, Azerbaijans biggest phone company which was established in cooperation with Turkcell, there are many more exsamples which i dont even know.

Other thing is Turkey is also supporting Azerbaijan in international politics no matter what topic and trying to represent Azerbaijani interests as much as possible and would oppose any decision against Azeris.

The question is, why did we all this? Not because Azerbaijan is any other caucasus state, it is something special for us, there are surely also economic interests behind it but its not reason enought for all this.

Now can you say Israel is doing all this for Azerbaijan? No you cant, because all Israel did is selling you weapon systems and buying your oil, thats by far not enough to even compare it to Turkish support.

Im very uncomfortable to mention all this and i wish i could hold my promise not to drag this any further and believe me i still hold myself back and deleted some parts just not to be offensive but what you are claiming here is like a slap in our face.

 

[Kamil_baku]

Why do these states do not come together and form one entity to defend themselves, it is their fault and not that of a bear.

Instead of giving advice and trying to look smart, why dont you become unity with India and fight against Chine? DOnt tell me CHine is going to be your daddy forever.. its easy to talk...

 

[rmi5]

The pipeline from Russia is not a treat to Azerbaijan at all, it wouldnt be the first pipeline from Russia to Turkey, the current projects between Turkey and Azerbaijan will be relized and much more cooperation will follow im dead sure.

Turkey has no need to that new pipeline, which will acount for half of total Turkey gas needs. Also, Turkey has already promised to finance part of the southern corridor. where the new finance for the Russia-Turkey pipeline are supposed to come from?
Read the article below to understand what I am talking about:
Why Turkey needs Russian gas

About Turkemens, yes the govermnet was slow with help and we all went berzerk (with we i mean people in Turkey) about it if you remember, but its not true to claim they did nothing, they got secret weapon deliverys which was declared as delivery to isis by international media after it got uncovered by ort own military btw, they have been offered refugee in Turkey, and built a camp inside Iraq.

Turkey did absolutely nothing. They even did not let Turkmens in Turkey, while kurds were OK to go to Turkey. BTW, what Turkey wants to do now? how those hundreds of raped and killed turkmen women are going to be treated now? Even Iran tried to help turkmens, but Erdogan did not.

About Azeri flags, it was FIFA that forbid it to avoid a political scandal, the treatment of the collected flags from fans which we also consider it as our honor was indeed shameful and got heavily critisized by left and right.

That's a lame excuse. fans in Tabriz bring flags of Azerbaijan and Turkey in international games, but they have not been forced to throw Turkey or Azerbaijan's flag into trash bin.

Turkey is unconditionally ready to share everything regarding military tech with Azerbaijan, ofcourse we cant supply them with all their needs but we do what we can and we are improving in many fields regarding military tech, Azerbaijan will get all of this if they want it once its aviable, there wont be any weapon system Turkey wouldnt give to Azerbaijan, i would bet my head off for this.
Not to mention sharing NATO standart military schooling and helping building up a army structure.

After indepence from Soviet union many instituions in Azerbaijan be it regarding state or economy was built up with Turkeys help, the first that comes to my mind is Azercell, Azerbaijans biggest phone company which was established in cooperation with Turkcell, there are many more exsamples which i dont even know.

Which part of it is surprising?

Other thing is Turkey is also supporting Azerbaijan in international politics no matter what topic and trying to represent Azerbaijani interests as much as possible and would oppose any decision against Azeris.

Well, I disagree with this one. When Azerbaijan got sanctioned by Europeans, Turkey did nothing to oppose it, or did not try to receive arms exports license from europeans.

Now can you say Israel is doing all this for Azerbaijan? No you cant because all Israel did is selling you weapon systems and buying your oil, thats by far not enough to even compare it to Turkish support.

Bro, I fully know how jewish lobby in USA has started to help Azerbaijani ambassador to have lobby power in USA. In the recent visit of Azerbaijan ambassador to east coast cities, he was accompanied by the Israeli ambassador, and he was introduced to jewish community in each city in order for receiving their help for Azerbaijan. Israel has far more lobby power than Turkey in the world. BTW, I don't know what else you expected from Israel to do for us?

Im very uncomfortable to mention all and i wish i could hold my promise not to drag this any further and believe me i still hold myself back and deleted some parts just not to be offensive but what you are claiming here is like a slap in our face.

I am a realistic person, dude. Although I can write many nice words in a 24/7 basis, but I prefer to write bitter truth as well.

 

[Kamil_baku]

The pipeline from Russia is not a treat to Azerbaijan at all, it wouldnt be the first pipeline from Russia to Turkey, the current projects between Turkey and Azerbaijan will be realized and much more cooperation will follow im dead sure.

About Turkemens, yes the goverment was slow with help and we all went berzerk (with we i mean people in Turkey) about it if you remember, but its not true to claim they did nothing, they got secret weapon deliverys which was declared as delivery to isis by international media after it got uncovered by our own military btw, they have been offered refugee in Turkey, and built a camp inside Iraq.

About Azeri flags, it was FIFA that forbid it to avoid a political scandal, the treatment of the collected flags from fans which we also consider it as our honor was indeed shameful and got heavily critisized by left and right.

Turkey is unconditionally ready to share everything regarding military tech with Azerbaijan, ofcourse we cant supply them with all their needs but we do what we can and we are improving in many fields regarding military tech, Azerbaijan will get all of this if they want it once its aviable, there wont be any weapon system Turkey wouldnt give to Azerbaijan, i would bet my head off for this.
Not to mention sharing NATO standart military schooling and helping building up a army structure.

After indepence from Soviet union many instituions in Azerbaijan be it regarding state or economy was built up with Turkeys help, the first that comes to my mind is Azercell, Azerbaijans biggest phone company which was established in cooperation with Turkcell, there are many more exsamples which i dont even know.

Other thing is Turkey is also supporting Azerbaijan in international politics no matter what topic and trying to represent Azerbaijani interests as much as possible and would oppose any decision against Azeris.

The question is, why did we all this? Not because Azerbaijan is any other caucasus state, it is something special for us, there are surely also economic interests behind it but its not reason enought for all this.

Now can you say Israel is doing all this for Azerbaijan? No you cant, because all Israel did is selling you weapon systems and buying your oil, thats by far not enough to even compare it to Turkish support.

Im very uncomfortable to mention all this and i wish i could hold my promise not to drag this any further and believe me i still hold myself back and deleted some parts just not to be offensive but what you are claiming here is like a slap in our face.

Dude, we are brother countries.. no needs to mention it. Even though iffff you dont wanna fight againts nukes of Russia, you will support Azerbaijan with your weapons and turn the are to the hell for invaders.. Azerbaijan got enough man to fight. Today, there are officially 300(but normally more than thousand) Azerbaijani went to fight in SYria. I for example find it foolish, but imagine in case of war against Russia or Armenia, It would easily turn to be millions... We Turks have one culture, we have friends, but we also build our "plan B", in case things doesnt go well. This is the reason today Azerbaijan built strong army. In case we get HISAR-a or HISAR-o, Russia will need get their ground forces to win.
But i can say you one thing that Russia push Azerbaijan with their language. all schools teach Russian language from early years and more and more people start talking in Russian. This will have worse results in the future i guess. It change people to read Russian news, and ...

Azerbaijan. What is that? a country? a city? an American state?

Dude, dont take our time, its not a school for you. go to ask your mom those questions..

 

[Hakan]

@rmi5
Dude you posted a thread about russia potentially invading azerbaijan. Even after this you are saying that russia a hostile country is your only source for weapons along with israel. Your saying turkey can't be a weapons supplier for azerbaijan essentially because many of the turkish systems have western subsystem like the engine for example.

I want to point out a few things to you:

Motor for matador and marauder is from usa.

Israeli abir and storm use american engines

Engine for heron comes from austria, hermes engine is german.

If a war between russia and azerbaijan breaks out how will Israel ship weapons to azerbaijan? Through Iran? Will russia allow weapons to come in through georgia? Caspian sea which is dominated by russia? How will israel bring in weapons?

 

[rmi5]

@rmi5
Dude you posted a thread about russia potentially invading azerbaijan. Even after this you are saying that russia a hostile country is your only source for weapons along with israel. Your saying turkey can't be a weapons supplier for azerbaijan essentially because many of the turkish systems have western subsystem like the engine for example.

I want to point out a few things to you:

Motor for matador and marauder is from usa.

Israeli abir and storm use american engines

Engine for heron comes from austria, hermes engine is german.

What bell does it ring for you? For me, it means that Israel and South Africa can make west agree to sell the western included tech to Azerbaijan, but Turkey cannot do so. What's the difference? to be pessimistic, Turkey has not been willing to use her influence, and optimistic view is Turkey has less lobby power than Israel, and South Africa, which I think it is the real reason behind it.