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Kashmir Situation & Pakistan's War Options

it's funny na... it is easy to say what you said now. But Pakistan government will never be agreed and nor the Indian government and even people from both countries.

I don't find any realistic solution from the Pakistani brothers. Till now, only I can see WAR, Nuclear, self-determination only in Kashmir, etc... And, all are one side wishes from you.

I really feel bad and very sad for Kashmiri people. Due to Pakistan and India leaderships, they are suffering. good day
yes you're right about that unfortunately @Crazyeights :(

don't say it is out of question. It is bad for us but this will be imposed on us .. sooner or later
and how do you know tell me that we should first improve our economic situations first than then will think about go with war but currently war is out of question for Pakistan @MM_Haider
 
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Do you know how long the RSS Sanghis have planned and worked towards their current rise to power in India and their clout in the west? Read >here<

The web of deceit being woven around Pakistan and Kashmir has geo political and strategic implications, to give you an idea think about the western tools of economic strangulation of which just one of those implications are FATF. India has used the current situation, Pakistan's economic condition and its precarious predicament viz a viz international financial institutions into account before making its stretegic political and military move in Jammu and Kashmir.

We have to play the game according to the situation that suits us and beat them at their game without getting caught in their trap while defeating them using war tactics they fear.

There are options thats have been war gamed, there are options being employed that are hurting the enemy on the ground as we speak.

Every strategy takes its time to playout. There are aspects, military and diplomatic that are utilized simultaneously in such a situation.

The diplomatic aspects are more debatable as we can see more or less the entire diplomatic chess game to comment on.

Whatever Pakistan has been able to achieve on diplomatic front is a miracle as ten years of rudderless criminal diplomatic neglect has left the FO in tatters.

India and even its Kashmir advisors and partners in crime Israel never expected such a strong response, demonstrations and diplomatic effort from Pakistan that has equated Modi with Hitler and RSS sanghis as Nazis on the world stage that even western media is resonating with Pakistani narrative.

A lot needs to be done to build on the initial successes both covert and overt and work on the lossess and weaknesses that we can all see and assess.

On the military front, Rest assured, Pakistan is prepaired and looking at all its war options. India wants an excuse to dessimate Azad Kashmir with indiscriminate shelling using long range artillery without even crossing the LOC. Pakistan cannot afford to reply in kind because of collateral damage to Kashmiri Muslims of IOK. Deliberately restricting the argument here.

Pakistan has to be clinical and lethal in our military options that we specialze in. It may very well be a long drawnout war like Afghan war, something the enemy does not want to fight and slowly bleed to death like Soviets but a conventional war that suits India more.

There are other lethal military options as well. India may be planning a false flag strike to initiate a war of its choice.

Based on security intel, Pakistan should preempt such a false flag and stage one of its own but instead of a ground assault, start with a response using Air Force for a repeat of 27 th, only this time downing Indian jets instead of just locking.

PAF needs to re-establish air superiority over Kashmir and beyond just the LOC. Gorilla warriors can move in supported by Army to take over positions with the help of local population for a repeat of 1947 like take over but this time to at least capture the whole valley before taking a breather.

Another approach could be an in your face, political move to put fear where it belongs, in the heart of India and Co:

An information warfare based Jehad declaration using false flag strike or threat of war excuse...

The president should release a statement and call all Muslims and invite them to be "ready" to volunteer for Kashmir Jihad Effort, a simultaneous Jihad bil Maal and Jihad bil Saif against eminent Indian Agression in Kashmir.

The call is to common Muslims and not their political leadership. The leadership can just look the other way.

There should be an account setup for Muslims from around the world to contribute and facilitate the "Kashmiri refugees" and "effectees" in actual to support the Jehad Effort. A covert Jehad bil Maal for Jehad bil Saif... If RSS sanghis world wide can fund the rise of BJP so can Muslims do it better at an unprecedented level hitherto unknown when the call becomes religiously obligatory.

The call by President of Pakistan to be "ready" gives it all Shariah level authenticity world wide for Muslims around the world to oblige. This is not expected nor at such an in your face level at the same time the call is just to be "ready".

It is all played put in a politically correct manner to counter FATF hounds and claims that Pakistan is supporting terrorism etc etc the usual Indian banter that the western media loves is rendered toothless.

Sponsored News paper articles must be instigated to get the message of eminent Ghazwa Hind across to the Muslim world.

Just our mere preparations will escalate the situation to new level never experienced before in this day and age of Information warfare. It shall put the fear of eminent Jehad right in the core of Hindutwa Gao Rakshak Extremists and put a full stop to their designs...

If the might of the Super power Soviets can be made to disintegrate by bleeding it with a thousand cuts... So what chance does the Indian Union Stand but disintegrate like Soviet Union in the face of such a relentless global on slaught of Jehad movement?

India would find itself forced to sit and negotiate an end to the Kashmiri crises according to UN resolutions which would mean that both Pakistan and India withdraw their forces from Kashmir and UN peace keeping force takes over to hold a plebiscite.

This would provide India with a face saving solution as well as Pakistan.

Then there is always the Nuclear route of mutual disintegration and destruction that nobody would wish or risk getting out of hand.

These are just a few of the many variations of options still available to Pakistan despite our weak economic condition.

Pakistan Zindabad. Kashmir banayga Pakistan. In sha Allah!
 
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Sorry bud, I think you are bit mentally challenged yourself. You simply cannot grasp hold of an idea. There are no easy answers and your policy of cowardice and appeasement usually push nations into slavery. Listen to Ronald Reagan ffs.
and you're mentally ill person, i have to say you're mental diseases has no cure, if we fight full conventional war with India as you say, after a war HOW CAN WE SURVIVE because war will destroy our economy/social system etc etc, think before you post @Genghis khan1

Read your history, in october 1947, when the first Kashmir war had just started...Nehru aproached Jinnah, offered him to hold a plebiscite in Kashmir, in stead of fighting.

Jinnah refused, stating that with Sheikh Abdullah's support for India , Kashmiris will choose India only.

So the fact is, Pakistan government wanted plebiscite for Kahmir only when it suited it, whence it had failed to take Kashmir by force.
thsi is in your version of story and sheikh Abdullah was traitors and didn't represent for Muslims of IOK, keep blabbering baseless @Osiris

To do so Pakistan must fulfill UN conditions : Withdraw all military forces from Kashmir.
Legally the question is even more complicated as after Shimla it's debatable if India is bound by UNSC resolutions about LOC
India should also do the same thing if you want to solve Kashmir issue, UNSC resolutions applied for both countries not for just Azad Kashmir or Indian occupied Kashmir, its applied for all Kashmir @pragmatic_dude
 
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Read your history, in october 1947, when the first Kashmir war had just started...Nehru aproached Jinnah, offered him to hold a plebiscite in Kashmir, in stead of fighting.

Jinnah refused, stating that with Sheikh Abdullah's support for India , Kashmiris will choose India only.

So the fact is, Pakistan government wanted plebiscite for Kahmir only when it suited it, whence it had failed to take Kashmir by force.
Ponka, my dear historically Delusional Indian. Nehru kept promising Kashmiris the lolly pop of plebiscite but only in UN, in his speeches and writings while keeping Kashmiris hostage under Indian armed forces... A physical manifestation of Baghal maen churi aur mon pay ram ram:

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thsi is in your version of story and sheikh Abdullah was traitors and didn't represent for Muslims of IOK, keep blabbering baseless @Osiris


Ponka, my dear historically Delusional Indian. Nehru kept promising Kashmiris the lolly pop of plebiscite but only in UN, in his speeches and writings while keeping Kashmiris hostage under Indian armed forces... A physical manifestation of Baghal maen churi aur mon pay ram ram:


The Jinnah–Mountbatten talks held in Lahore between Jinnah and Mountbatten. The talks were held on 1 November 1947, five days after India dispatched its troops to defend Kashmir against Pakistani invasion.

In the talks, Mountbatten presented India's offer to hold an impartial plebiscite under the United Nations, to decide the accession of Kashmir. Jinnah effectively rejected the offer.

https://storyofpakistan.com/jinnah-mountbatten-talks
 
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The Jinnah–Mountbatten talks held in Lahore between Jinnah and Mountbatten. The talks were held on 1 November 1947, five days after India dispatched its troops to defend Kashmir against Pakistani invasion.

In the talks, Mountbatten presented India's offer to hold an impartial plebiscite under the United Nations, to decide the accession of Kashmir. Jinnah effectively rejected the offer.

https://storyofpakistan.com/jinnah-mountbatten-talks
Pakistani website with pro Indian agenda and i will provide lots of links/sites from India that tells PA not invaded Kashmir but go for help because local tribes knows sooner or later Dogra RAJ will join with India, this proves nothing to me you're posting the Pakistani links that suites your (Indian) narratives, i am not surprised @Osiris
 
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Pakistani website with pro Indian agenda and i will provide lots of links/sites from India that tells PA not invaded Kashmir but go for help because local tribes knows sooner or later Dogra RAJ will join with India, this proves nothing to me you're posting the Pakistani links that suites your (Indian) narratives, i am not surprised @Osiris

Website does not matter, It is a part of history, go read about Jinnah - Mountbatten talks held in November 1947 in Lahore.
Pakistan was offered plebiscite, Pakistan refused, because situation did not suit her, It believed it will loose.

Or its forces being just 4 miles from Srinagar, it believed it could conquer entire Kashmir using force.
 
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The Jinnah–Mountbatten talks held in Lahore between Jinnah and Mountbatten. The talks were held on 1 November 1947, five days after India dispatched its troops to defend Kashmir against Pakistani invasion.

In the talks, Mountbatten presented India's offer to hold an impartial plebiscite under the United Nations, to decide the accession of Kashmir. Jinnah effectively rejected the offer.

https://storyofpakistan.com/jinnah-mountbatten-talks
Hahaha, only Indians can present actual proof of their buffoonery in support of their claims that actually are evidence to the contrary :rofl:.

Let me quote the words here:

  • Mountbatten made an offer to the Quaid that India would hold a plebiscite in the state of Jammu and Kashmir, provided Pakistan withdrew the Azad Kashmiri forces and their allies.:rofl: He also made it clear that the Indian forces would remain in the valley and Sheikh Abdullah in the chair. :haha:Quaid-i-Azam opposed the unjust plan and claimed that the State of Jammu and Kashmir, with its massive Muslim majority, belonged to Pakistan as an essential element in an incomplete partition process. He was also convinced that plebiscite under the supervision of Sheikh Abdullah and Indian regular army would be sabotaged.
Now, thats the correct perspective dear. Run along now and quit dreaming of capturing Azad Kashmir as easy as that back in 47.

According to UN resolutions, both India and Pakistan will have to withdraw tgeir forces at the same time and let UN peace keepers hold a plebiscite according to Kashmiri people.
 
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Website does not matter, It is a part of history, go read about Jinnah - Mountbatten talks held in November 1947 in Lahore.
Pakistan was offered plebiscite, Pakistan refused, because situation did not suit her, It believed it will loose.

Or its forces being just 4 miles from Srinagar, it believed it could conquer entire Kashmir using force.
How its possible your your forces in iok if its plebiscite then jinnah knows what is the this unfair plebiscite results was so he was right not to go plebiscite in iok and also dogra raj was there that plebiscite wouldn't be a fair one @Osiris
 
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Hahaha, only Indians can present actual proof of their buffoonery in support of their claims that actually are evidence to the contrary :rofl:.

Let me quote the words here:

  • Mountbatten made an offer to the Quaid that India would hold a plebiscite in the state of Jammu and Kashmir, provided Pakistan withdrew the Azad Kashmiri forces and their allies.:rofl: He also made it clear that the Indian forces would remain in the valley and Sheikh Abdullah in the chair. :haha:Quaid-i-Azam opposed the unjust plan and claimed that the State of Jammu and Kashmir, with its massive Muslim majority, belonged to Pakistan as an essential element in an incomplete partition process. He was also convinced that plebiscite under the supervision of Sheikh Abdullah and Indian regular army would be sabotaged.
Now, thats the correct perspective dear. Run along now and quit dreaming of capturing Azad Kashmir as easy as that back in 47.

According to UN resolutions, both India and Pakistan will have to withdraw tgeir forces at the same time and let UN peace keepers hold a plebiscite according to Kashmiri people.

In 1947 plebiscite was offered under UN auspices, of-course it was offered, because India did not want war.

Yes, Sheikh Abdullah, the elected leader of J&K would have remained in chair. And yes Indian army would have remained in Kashmir, as was the precondition of Maharaja of Kashmir's accession to India.

But Pakistan refused plebiscite, because Jinnah knew, he would loose entire Kashmir.

So the facts are, you refused plebiscite in Kashmir, when it suited you. You invaded Kashmir, when it suited you.

Now you cry to the world, on how you only have ever wanted to respect the wishes of Kashmiri people.

How its possible your your forces in iok if its plebiscite then jinnah knows what is the this unfair plebiscite results was so he was right not to go plebiscite in iok and also dogra raj was there that plebiscite wouldn't be a fair one @Osiris

Because plebiscite would have been done by UN and not India.
 
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So the facts are, you refused plebiscite in Kashmir, when it suited you. You invaded Kashmir, when it suited you.
Dont be such a sore looser like your countrymen usually behave. Read the quote you wrongly presented yourself again dear:
  • Mountbatten made an offer to the Quaid that India would hold a plebiscite in the state of Jammu and Kashmir, provided Pakistan withdrew the Azad Kashmiri forces and their allies.:rofl: He also made it clear that the Indian forces would remain in the valley and Sheikh Abdullah in the chair. :haha:Quaid-i-Azam opposed the unjust plan and claimed that the State of Jammu and Kashmir, with its massive Muslim majority, belonged to Pakistan as an essential element in an incomplete partition process. He was also convinced that plebiscite under the supervision of Sheikh Abdullah and Indian regular army would be sabotaged.
Now, thats the correct perspective dear. Run along now and quit dreaming of capturing Azad Kashmir as easy as that back in 47.
 
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Because plebiscite would have done by UN and not India.
What a unfair that Indian forces remain in iok and then plebiscite only Pakistan could remove its forces from ajk UN doesn't saying that,UN saying that both India and Pakistan should withdrew all their forces from all kashmir then plebiscite under the a supervisor of UN security Council, jinnah was wise that he didn't fell on this trap, and don't twist facts that's suite India's narrative @Osiris
 
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Dont be such a sore looser like your countrymen usually behave. Read the quote you wrongly presented yourself again dear:

Isn't that what i have written?

Plebiscite was offered to Pakistan under UN supervision, if Pakistani invaders who has invaded Kashmir withdrew.

Sheikh Abdullah the elected leader of Kashmiri people would remain and Indian army, which was legally present in j&K, due accession of J&k to India would remain for maintaining law and order.

Infact these were exact the same pre-condition(for plebiscite in Kashmir) UN resolution 47 came up with, more than a year later.

And history is witness, how Jinnah refused the Indian offer, decided to continue with his invasion of Kashmir.

What a unfair that Indian forces remain in iok and then plebiscite only Pakistan could remove its forces from ajk UN doesn't saying that,UN saying that both India and Pakistan should withdrew all their forces from all kashmir then plebiscite under the a supervisor of UN security Council, jinnah was wise that he didn't fell on this trap, and don't twist facts that's suite India's narrative @Osiris

Nope, Read UN resolution 47 ...which came more than a year after, India offered plebiscite to Pakistan in Jinnah - Mountbatten talks.

That also stated the same conditions, since Pakistan was the invader, it had to remove all its forces, Indian forces which who were legally present in J&K, had to reduce, its forces to a minimum, for maintaining law and order and then the plebiscite would be held under UN supervision.
 
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Do you know how long the RSS Sanghis have planned and worked towards their current rise to power in India and their clout in the west? Read >here<

The web of deceit being woven around Pakistan and Kashmir has geo political and strategic implications, to give you an idea think about the western tools of economic strangulation of which just one of those implications are FATF. India has used the current situation, Pakistan's economic condition and its precarious predicament viz a viz international financial institutions into account before making its stretegic political and military move in Jammu and Kashmir.

We have to play the game according to the situation that suits us and beat them at their game without getting caught in their trap while defeating them using war tactics they fear.

There are options thats have been war gamed, there are options being employed that are hurting the enemy on the ground as we speak.

Every strategy takes its time to playout. There are aspects, military and diplomatic that are utilized simultaneously in such a situation.

The diplomatic aspects are more debatable as we can see more or less the entire diplomatic chess game to comment on.

Whatever Pakistan has been able to achieve on diplomatic front is a miracle as ten years of rudderless criminal diplomatic neglect has left the FO in tatters.

India and even its Kashmir advisors and partners in crime Israel never expected such a strong response, demonstrations and diplomatic effort from Pakistan that has equated Modi with Hitler and RSS sanghis as Nazis on the world stage that even western media is resonating with Pakistani narrative.

A lot needs to be done to build on the initial successes both covert and overt and work on the lossess and weaknesses that we can all see and assess.

On the military front, Rest assured, Pakistan is prepaired and looking at all its war options. India wants an excuse to dessimate Azad Kashmir with indiscriminate shelling using long range artillery without even crossing the LOC. Pakistan cannot afford to reply in kind because of collateral damage to Kashmiri Muslims of IOK. Deliberately restricting the argument here.

Pakistan has to be clinical and lethal in our military options that we specialze in. It may very well be a long drawnout war like Afghan war, something the enemy does not want to fight and slowly bleed to death like Soviets but a conventional war that suits India more.

There are other lethal military options as well. India may be planning a false flag strike to initiate a war of its choice.

Based on security intel, Pakistan should preempt such a false flag and stage one of its own but instead of a ground assault, start with a response using Air Force for a repeat of 27 th, only this time downing Indian jets instead of just locking.

PAF needs to re-establish air superiority over Kashmir and beyond just the LOC. Gorilla warriors can move in supported by Army to take over positions with the help of local population for a repeat of 1947 like take over but this time to at least capture the whole valley before taking a breather.

Another approach could be an in your face, political move to put fear where it belongs, in the heart of India and Co:

An information warfare based Jehad declaration using false flag strike or threat of war excuse...

The president should release a statement and call all Muslims and invite them to be "ready" to volunteer for Kashmir Jihad Effort, a simultaneous Jihad bil Maal and Jihad bil Saif against eminent Indian Agression in Kashmir.

The call is to common Muslims and not their political leadership. The leadership can just look the other way.

There should be an account setup for Muslims from around the world to contribute and facilitate the "Kashmiri refugees" and "effectees" in actual to support the Jehad Effort. A covert Jehad bil Maal for Jehad bil Saif... If RSS sanghis world wide can fund the rise of BJP so can Muslims do it better at an unprecedented level hitherto unknown when the call becomes religiously obligatory.

The call by President of Pakistan to be "ready" gives it all Shariah level authenticity world wide for Muslims around the world to oblige. This is not expected nor at such an in your face level at the same time the call is just to be "ready".

It is all played put in a politically correct manner to counter FATF hounds and claims that Pakistan is supporting terrorism etc etc the usual Indian banter that the western media loves is rendered toothless.

Sponsored News paper articles must be instigated to get the message of eminent Ghazwa Hind across to the Muslim world.

Just our mere preparations will escalate the situation to new level never experienced before in this day and age of Information warfare. It shall put the fear of eminent Jehad right in the core of Hindutwa Gao Rakshak Extremists and put a full stop to their designs...

If the might of the Super power Soviets can be made to disintegrate by bleeding it with a thousand cuts... So what chance does the Indian Union Stand but disintegrate like Soviet Union in the face of such a relentless global on slaught of Jehad movement?

India would find itself forced to sit and negotiate an end to the Kashmiri crises according to UN resolutions which would mean that both Pakistan and India withdraw their forces from Kashmir and UN peace keeping force takes over to hold a plebiscite.

This would provide India with a face saving solution as well as Pakistan.

Then there is always the Nuclear route of mutual disintegration and destruction that nobody would wish or risk getting out of hand.

These are just a few of the many variations of options still available to Pakistan despite our weak economic condition.

Pakistan Zindabad. Kashmir banayga Pakistan. In sha Allah!
Excellent post, outlining several options and traps we must avoid at all costs.

India is not unbeatable. We have only just begun. If we remain United and true to our ideals, Kashmir will be free and we will rally to their cause in our millions.
 
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Isn't that what i have written?

Plebiscite was offered to Pakistan under UN supervision, if Pakistani invaders who has invaded Kashmir withdrew.

Sheikh Abdullah the elected leader of Kashmiri people would remain and Indian army, which was legally present in j&K, due accession of J&k to India would remain for maintaining law and order.

Infact these were exact the same pre-condition(for plebiscite in Kashmir) UN resolution 47 came up with an year later.

And history is witness, how Jinnah refused the Indian offer, decided to continue with his invasion of Kashmir.



Nope, Read UN resolution 47 ...which came more than a year after, India offered plebiscite to Pakistan in Jinnah - Mountbatten talks.

That also stated the same conditions, since Pakistan was the invader, it had to remove all its forces, Indian forces which who were legally present in J&K, had to reduce, its forces to a minimum, for maintaining law and order and then the plebiscite would be held under UN supervision.
And Nehru was lying or keeping his word
Excellent post, outlining several options and traps we must avoid at all costs.

India is not unbeatable. We have only just begun. If we remain United and true to our ideals, Kashmir will be free and we will rally to their cause in our millions.
In sha Allah. I believe in Ghazwa-e-Hind, dessimation of India as we know it.

The RSS Sanghis have only expedited the inevitable and that too in the face of Muslims all over the world who believe in Prophesies of our Prophet Mohammad SAW. That alone all but seals their fate.
 
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