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[Patriot]

* Concern over human rights abuses stands at 43% on the Indian side and 19% on the Pakistani side
* Concern over unemployment is strong across the territory - 66% on the Pakistani side and 87% on the Indian side
* Few are optimistic over peace talks - only 27% on the Pakistani side and 57% on the Indian side thought they would succeed.

Interesting...As far as independence goes..Pakistanis clearly support Kashmiris will...if they want to independent state then Pakistanis will support them regardless of Official Pakistani GOP Stance.Independent Kashmir will of course have a lot of Pakistan's Influence and that territory will act as a buffer between India and Pakistan.I far one support establishment of new Kashmir state comprising of both AJK and J&K.

 

[Hammy007]

indeed a startling result. i doubt about this survey, as how can a peaceful pakistani kashmir which is free from all raids, army abuses can be related to indian kashmir, where violance is the norm.

which further going into justifications, indeed the 43% of indian kashmir demanding independence is startling too, kashmir which remains devoid of all human rights, where violance in the norm can demand less independence than pakistani kashmir.

as far as i know, there should be definite reasons, and as the survey shows, the disadvantages on the indian side, than how can the survey be favourable to indians???

as far as i know, the biggest problem for kashmiris is the official pakistani stance, first, they are frustrated about GoP for starting "negotiations" with the enemy over a serious dispute, and musharrafs wrong policy to "soften" pakistani stance on kashmir.

second thing is the present status of kashmir, where as kashmiris want to integrate into pakistan and its government, they still have their own government and they cannot utilize benefits for being pakistani, pakistani stance is to not declare kashmir as its part as long as their is to be a solution for kashmir dispute.

but still 44% is an exaggerated figure and i cannot in anyway trust these whites(american/brits) at all in the first place..

 

[EjazR]

This is not the "first survey" ofcourse. But the first survey AFTER the Mumbai attacks.
And the results are startling only for people who have not been following the on ground situation for the last 15 years and still think its 1992 which was when the situation was at its worst in J&K.

A few points to be noted here:
* www.peacepolls.org conducted a survey in 2007-2008 on both sides of Kashmir. The results were quite similar for those who have gone through the survey results.
* Just like the www.peacepolls.org survey, this survey also DOES NOT include the people of Gilgit Baltistan which by all accounts is part of the historical Jammu and Kashmir state. The surveys are not full reflective until the people of Gilgit Baltistan voice their views as well.
* The survey was commissioned by Gaddahafi's son from Libya - Saif-ul-Islam Qaddafi
* UN resolutions require the choice to be limited to only India or Pakistan. If the Independence option (which did not get a majority btw-44&#37 is ignored, the overall majority is in favor of India(21%) rather than Pakistan(15%), although the results are heavily polarized regionally.

The full report is here
Kashmir: Paths to peace

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

which further going into justifications, indeed the 43% of indian kashmir demanding independence is startling too, kashmir which remains devoid of all human rights, where violance in the norm can demand less independence than pakistani kashmir.

as far as i know, there should be definite reasons, and as the survey shows, the disadvantages on the indian side, than how can the survey be favourable to indians???

The overall percentage of people in favor of Independence in IaK is skewed by the results from outside Kashmir proper, where support for independence is very high:

Dr Bradnock said that in the Kashmir valley - the mainly Muslim area at the centre of the insurgency - support for independence is between 74% and 95%.

But in the predominantly Hindu Jammu division to the south, support is under 1%.

 

[Jade]

Interesting...As far as independence goes..Pakistanis clearly support Kashmiris will...if they want to independent state then Pakistanis will support them regardless of Official Pakistani GOP Stance.Independent Kashmir will of course have a lot of Pakistan's Influence and that territory will act as a buffer between India and Pakistan.I far one support establishment of new Kashmir state comprising of both AJK and J&K.

The question of Independent Kashmir doesn’t arise as there is no provision for it…Neither do Pakistan or India has any position on Independent Kashmir

 

[Jade]

The overall percentage of people in favor of Independence in IaK is skewed by the results from outside Kashmir proper, where support for independence is very high:

Dr Bradnock said that in the Kashmir valley - the mainly Muslim area at the centre of the insurgency - support for independence is between 74% and 95%.

But in the predominantly Hindu Jammu division to the south, support is under 1%.

The demographics of J&K are complex and heavily polarized according to regions. UN resolutions may not be the correct solution, at least today; moreover, UN resolutions could create more problems that could be more complex that the original Kashmir problem itself

 

[jeypore]

No 'simple fixes'

This is the bottom line!!!!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The demographics of J&K are complex and heavily polarized according to regions. UN resolutions may not be the correct solution, at least today; moreover, UN resolutions could create more problems that could be more complex that the original Kashmir problem itself

IIRC, the UN rapporteur, Sir Owen Dixon, was in fact leaning towards dividing the State and holding separate plebiscites in each part because of the demographics. Such a solution would have not been a 'winner take all' sort of result .

 

[jolly67]

Eye wash, these fictious survey's r done to misguide world opinion.

Independent kashmir means bases for CIA, MOSAD and RAW to work against Pakistan and china.

Kashmir needs plebiscite not survey's.

 

[jeypore]

IIRC, the UN rapporteur, Sir Owen Dixon, was in fact leaning towards dividing the State and holding separate plebiscites in each part because of the demographics. Such a solution would have not been a 'winner take all' sort of result .

"All Sort of Results" frees up lot, doesn't it!!!!

These results prove nothing, infact it puts all in neutral again..

Dr Bradnock said that it was "clear" that a plebiscite on the future of Kashmir - along the lines envisaged in UN resolutions of 1948-49 - is "extremely unlikely to offer a solution today".

 

[Jade]

IIRC, the UN rapporteur, Sir Owen Dixon, was in fact leaning towards dividing the State and holding separate plebiscites in each part because of the demographics. Such a solution would have not been a 'winner take all' sort of result .

In think, dividing the state in not originally envisioned in UN resolution, neither do I think it is proper on the subjects of the state. The only solution I could think of is status co with greater autonomy, but should be preceded by recovering J&K areas under Chinese occupation

 

[Frankenstein]

If Kashmir wants Independence, why dont both India and Pakistan give them once in for all, end of discussion forever

 

[karan.1970]

Interesting...As far as independence goes..Pakistanis clearly support Kashmiris will...if they want to independent state then Pakistanis will support them regardless of Official Pakistani GOP Stance.Independent Kashmir will of course have a lot of Pakistan's Influence and that territory will act as a buffer between India and Pakistan.I far one support establishment of new Kashmir state comprising of both AJK and J&K.

Whats your view on the Northern Areas G&B?? Areas given to China ??

 

[Jazzbot]

I personally doubt on the survey.

 

[BJlaowai]

If Kashmir wants Independence, why dont both India and Pakistan give them once in for all, end of discussion forever

Pakistan could take the lead in this, since Pakistanis are so genuinely concerned about the welfare of the Kashmiris.
Make Azad Kashmir Azad. Also, Azad Gilgit baltistan.