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[Omar1984]

Syed Ali Gilani arrested in H-Kashmir

Updated at: 1248 PST, Saturday, December 12, 2009

SRINAGAR: The Indian authorities arrested senior Kashmiri Hurriyet leader, Syed Ali Gilani and lodged him at Humhama police station.

According to Kashmir media service, Syed Ali Gilani was arrested by Indian troops when he was going to the hospital to enquire about the health of injured Hurriyet activists.

On the other hand, a complete strike was observed marked with anti-India demonstrations for the second consecutive day, today, in Maisuma against injuring a 14-year-old boy and the destruction of property by Indian troops.

Ali Gilani arrested in H-Kashmir - GEO.tv

 

[pagans]

It is unsavory truth that Kashmiris love Pakistan and hate India. But India won't leave kashmir. It cannot. It will put a question mark on the survival of rest of the Muslims in India. Call for independence in NE will grew louder..No way...

 

[pagans]

..........and also Kashmirs hate India not because we had been bad to them,but because of religion. Their hate against India is not justified ,it is evil,inhuman and undemocratic.

 

[DavyJones]

@bigmoneymaker - there has been no genocide of indian kashmiris - it is all propoganda - please check facts before you speak

 

[graphican]

Shahadat is the cost of Independence and 90,000 Kashmirees have offered that already. You cannot stop liberation movement by killing more of them. Independence is the fate of Kashmir and it shell be liberated! Inshallah!

 

[pagans]

Shahadat is the cost of Independence and 90,000 Kashmirees have offered that already. You cannot stop liberation movement by killing more of them. Independence is the fate of Kashmir and it shell be liberated! Inshallah!

Human beings need freedom to grow . And democracy is the best for it. INDIA is already a democracy which gives Muslims all right for individual growth. There is no reason other than religion for the Kashmirs to hate INDIA. And this cannot be accepted. If you think that more deaths can break Kashmir from INDIA you are mistaken. Kashmir is already independent. Kashmir is historically and culturally INDIAN land and will remain so.

The earlier Pakistanis give up the Kashmir 'cause' the better for them.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Human beings need freedom to grow . And democracy is the best for it. INDIA is already a democracy which gives Muslims all right for individual growth. There is no reason other than religion for the Kashmirs to hate INDIA. And this cannot be accepted. If you think that more deaths can break Kashmir from INDIA you are mistaken. Kashmir is already independent. Kashmir is historically and culturally INDIAN land and will remain so.

The earlier Pakistanis give up the Kashmir 'cause' the better for them.

Or else ???

 

[Aslan]

Human beings need freedom to grow . And democracy is the best for it. INDIA is already a democracy which gives Muslims all right for individual growth. There is no reason other than religion for the Kashmirs to hate INDIA. And this cannot be accepted. If you think that more deaths can break Kashmir from INDIA you are mistaken. Kashmir is already independent. Kashmir is historically and culturally INDIAN land and will remain so.

The earlier Pakistanis give up the Kashmir 'cause' the better for them.

Can you describe for me the historic India I mean the historical lands that were India. Today i was reading something that had been posted here that said that chines and Japanese ethnically belong to India or something in that line. But ain't it a fact that the original people who occupied this area are not even there and were replaced by the Aryans who migrated from somewhere in Europe or Russia.

 

[pagans]

Can you describe for me the historic India I mean the historical lands that were India. Today i was reading something that had been posted here that said that chines and Japanese ethnically belong to India or something in that line. But ain't it a fact that the original people who occupied this area are not even there and were replaced by the Aryans who migrated from somewhere in Europe or Russia.

Historic INDIA = Indian subcontinent

 

[pagans]

Or else ???

Heard of Karma ?

 

[rastor]

There is absolutely no way these kashmiris are going to get independence. They join a long list of groups like Tibetans, chechans or maybe even balochis who are facing a larger more powerful authority. China will not leave Tibet.....Russia will not leave chechanya.....India will not leave kashmir. The only way to get them to leave is total war of the scale seen in territorial exchanges in WWII or 1971 war. Pak can't drive India out of Kashmir. China isn't interested in fighting a war for kashmir. And India has the stomach to take on these kashmiris.....

For their own sake they have to find a way to live under whatever constraints they maybe subjected to and seek to improve their lot. For borders are changed by armies not by hartals/demonstrations/bombings.

 

[Windjammer]

The earlier Pakistanis give up the Kashmir 'cause' the better for them.

The sooner India settles the Kashmir dispute, the better it can concentrate on the wet dream of becoming a mini power.

 

[Halaku Khan]

..........and also Kashmirs hate India not because we had been bad to them,but because of religion. Their hate against India is not justified ,it is evil,inhuman and undemocratic.

Hello? Who says Kashmiris hate India?

MILITANT'S WIFE CANNOT HELP DEEPLY LOVING INDIA

Militant’s wife fights her temptation to vote
November 23rd, 2008 - 9:07 pm ICT by IANS Tell a Friend -

Jammu, Nov 23 (IANS) Parveen Akhtar, 22, in Jammu and Kashmir’s Rajouri has gone to live with her uncle in an adjoining district to escape persuasion by her relatives and temptation to come out to vote Sunday.Howsoever she wished, Parveen could not venture out to vote and almost “relinquished this right” after she married a top militant of her area, Abdullah Inqalabi.

“I was very excited at the thought of voting when I was in my teens and was waiting for my time, but now after marrying Abdullah I cannot go against his wishes,” she told IANS by phone in a soft Gojri accent.

“Though I have not told this to my husband, somehow I cannot help deeply loving India,” she said.

Parveen has temporarily left her home in Dhakri area in Rajouri district to go and live in Mahore in the adjoining Reasi district.

Parveen’s relatives (from Gujjar community) were all eagerly waiting to cast their votes as “it is going to be a keen contest and every vote is going to count.”

She said: “My relatives were telling me to come and vote as Abdullah would not come to know. But I do not want to lie to him, else Allah will punish me.”

Her husband, Abdullah Inqalabi is a Pakistani national from Gujranwala and had come to Rajouri over five years ago. He was operating in the upper reaches of Rajouri area and was then the divisional commander of Hizbul Mujahideen’s Pir Panjal regiment, a militant outfit active in this area.

Abdullah now is the top man of the United Jehad Council (UJC) in the area and is coordinating activities of Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM), Al-Badr and Hizbul Mujahideen’s Pir Panjal regiment.

Parveen Akhtar belongs to a Muslim Gujjar (nomad) family which has not been swayed by separatist movement and has remained by and large pro-India.

“I knew the danger of marrying a militant but it was Allah’s will that I gave my consent,” she said. She added she married Abdullah of her own accord when he approached her father Mohammad Bashir.

Since their marriage over three years ago, both lived together for not more than three months in a staggered way. “He comes to meet for a few hours or at times I go at an arranged point to meet him,” Parveen said.

She does not want to go to Pakistan or get citizenship there as she says she is “fondly attached to this place.”

 

[sensenreason]

Human beings need freedom to grow . And democracy is the best for it. INDIA is already a democracy which gives Muslims all right for individual growth. There is no reason other than religion for the Kashmirs to hate INDIA. And this cannot be accepted. If you think that more deaths can break Kashmir from INDIA you are mistaken. Kashmir is already independent. Kashmir is historically and culturally INDIAN land and will remain so.

The earlier Pakistanis give up the Kashmir 'cause' the better for them.

Somehow all Muslim communities...minority or majority suffer from a persecution complex. If in majority, neighbours are hated, especially if they are Non-Muslims.

Even in China and Russia, Muslim communities are up in arms. US too...Ofcourse, its easy to hate the majority community, if they happen like in Kashmir.

 

[EjazR]

@pagans

Your level of knowledge of Indian affairs is questionable since recently you wrongly claimed that APJ Kalam was considered "murtid" by muslims. Then how can you know for a fact that Kashmiri muslims "hate" India because of religion?

So let me inform you that you belong to that group that don't want to see or have a misconception of the reality on the ground. The JKLF movement was to establish an independent Secular J&K and even Hindus and Sikhs initially took part in that. This was similar when during Indira's emergency rule and the imposition of Hindi as the only national language saw violent protest and movements against the centre in the south and Gujarat as well as J&K. States that didnt have a Congress(I) governmetn and were dissolved when emergency was declared.

It was only thanks to bigoted muslims coming over from the Afghan Jihad aftermath that gave it a so called "Jihad" color and non-muslim minorities in Kashmir valley as well as pro-India and pro-Independence Kashmiri muslims were targeted.

Some cold hard facts in order. Geelani is the least popular separatist leader who has no appeal except in the border districts. Mirwaiz and Yasin Malik have far far larger popular base. Even their support is in a limited area. PDP and NC are called "mainstream" parties for a reason. Its because they have the largest base of support among the people.

And if you are saying that GoI hasn't been "bad" to them, which world are you living in. There has been HR abuses there is no doubt about that. And these HR abuses must be looked into and relevant people punished. This is not a "favor" its their right as Indian citizens. The large amount of money that pours into J&K only recently has been shifted towards development instead of corruption among bureaucracy and security forces.

And here is a 2008 opinion survey attached for constitutional future of J&K, the entire report on Kashmir conflict can be found on www.peacepolls.org.



Bottom line if you look at just muslims in Indian Kashmir, 71% said joining Pakistan was unacceptable while only 49% said joining India was unacceptable. If the article 370 was guaranteed to be implemented infull (right now its not implemented in full) then that fell down to 27% opposed. And again this is just muslims. So I guess its about time and start reading some credible news sources and books to update your knowledge of current events. You may want to start with Praveen Swami's "The Kargil War" which provides a summary of blunders committed by GoI on Kashmir across government culminating in the NDA debacle of Kargil.