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[vsdoc]

Then that is unfortunate indeed.
You are saying that most Indians are still hung up about the partition.
I thought Indians claimed they don't care about Pakistan and have moved on...

Yes we have a "hang up" about Partition ..... it was our land that was divided.

We don't really concern ourselves about Pakistan as long as pakistan stays in pakistan ..... it however becomes a concern for us when pakistan affects our country and our people (read our muslims in general, and our kashmiri muslims in particular).

Hope that puts things in the correct Indian perspective for you.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Developereo]

Yes we have a "hang up" about Partition ..... it was our land that was divided.

Say good night, Gracie..

 

[vsdoc]

Good night Gracie.

 

[Halaku Khan]

IBNLive : Kashmir college principal beaten up, told to enfore hijab

Mufti Islah
CNN-IBN



TROUBLED TIMES: Moral policing is again on the rise in Kashmir. (Representative pic)
New Delhi: Moral policing is again on the rise in Kashmir. The principal of a co-ed college in Sopore has been threatened with serious consequences if he doesn’t enforce the Islamic dress code to the 3,000 women students within three days.


Fifty-five-year-old Mohammad Ashraf Peer says he was abducted by seven armed men, thrashed and detained for several hours.


“Their message was that Islamic dress code should be enforced in college. I believe they have called many other principals in the area and given the same orders,” Peer said.


This is the first major instance of moral policing in more than a year. In the early ‘90s during the initial years of militancy, women were strictly asked to observe the purda. But most Kashmiri women ignored that diktat.


Then, more recently most women again resisted a move by Dukhtaran-e-Millat leader Asiya Andrabi to impose the hijab. And this time as well the women students are defiant.


“The way they handled our principal was wrong. If they wanted the veil to be enforced they should have come and asked us. Next they will force this diktat on our teachers then to us, this is unacceptable,” a student said.


Meanwhile, the police have started an investigation. They say there could also be a non-militancy angle.


The separatists have so far remained silent over the matter.

 

[deep.ocean]

What can you expect from bunch of Mullah. These guys are kind of Religious Phychos and should be given a good treatment.

 

[DesiGuy]

And yet your media blames Pakistan everytime there is a traffic accident in India.

We really have you guys spooked...

And, So what do you expect from your so called enemy, India?

 

[Patriot]

Yes we have a "hang up" about Partition ..... it was our land that was divided.

You said it!I knew and mentioned several times here that Indians are unable to reconcile to the fact that Pakistan is a separate independent state.There is no doubt that your dreams of Ahkhand Bharat will continue till the cows come home.The partition of Akhand Bharat is something something that will continue to haunt you Indians till eternity... to put it bluntly.

 

[MilesTogo]

Why only Kashmiri Muslims, what about the rest of the Indian Muslims - don't they deserve freedom?

 

[Patriot]

Why only Kashmiri Muslims, what about the rest of the Indian Muslims - don't they deserve freedom?

I think Kashmir is more of a ethnic insurgency mixed with religious flavor..What do you think?

 

[MilesTogo]

I think Kashmir is more of a ethnic insurgency mixed with religious flavor..What do you think?

I thought the religious component of it was primary driver. Anyways...

my point was that rather that freeing Kashmir now and then a decade later having another Muslim faction demanding freedom - free all of them at once.

Although - piecemeal process might work as well but it is too slow and painful.

 

[Patriot]

You want to breakup India?

 

[MilesTogo]

You want to breakup India?

No - I want India to free all Muslims including Kashmiris.

 

[Patriot]

and how do you plan on doing so?

 

[MilesTogo]

and how do you plan on doing so?

Thats a good question...

I think there are two ways of doing this -

1. Re-draw the state lines India based on Muslim concentration. Then declare all the Muslim majority states as free. Rest Hindu/Sikh/Budhist states then can decide if they want to continue together or become independent as well.
2. Find an area corresponding to the Muslim populations in India closer to Pakistan/Kashmir and Bangladesh and then shift all the Muslims to these two/three new states and all the non-msulims to remaining India. New states might be Kashmir, Pakistan II and Bangladesh II. They may either decide to join with Pakistan, Bangladesh resp. or become free nations. Essentially the area will come out of current Gujrat, Haryana, Rajasthan, Punjab, Himachal, West Bengal, Tripura, Assam etc.

I personally like option 1 but two might work fine as well.

 

[Spitfighter]

Well the fact of the matter is that all the flag hoisting, stone throwing, effigy burning nonsense is irrelevant. Its the same story in Tibet. India can and will control any disruptions in the state's affairs, any and all outside interference will be countered.

If there's ever going to be a settlement, it will have to account for India's strategic concerns (water especially). The Northern Areas, Azad Kashmir and Aksai Chin will also have to be a part of the settlement.

India will not and should not make any concessions to Pakistan, nor is it keen on the balkanization of South Asia. IMO, the best we can hope for is a small, jointly administered region carved out of AK, IK and NA.

w.r.t China, they can always be brought into the loop later. A settlement of the Kashmir issue is not in their interest, so they would be more than happy to drag their feet on the issue. India and Pakistan need to move on.

I think a settlement is not in our favor right now, it might be a better idea to wait for another 5 years, the situation in Pakistan and Afghanistan is still evolving, I think down the line India will be able to bargain from a position of considerable strength, and while the settlement might not necessarily be on our terms, we might be able to make it a little more favorable, certainly permanent.

At the moment, I think it is in the interest of both India and Pakistan, that Pakistan throw its weight behind the American campaign, and take credible and firm action against any and all terrorists on its soil.

Only when that happens can we really get the ball rolling on Kashmir.

I think the Afghan war will change the political dynamic in South Asia forever, this is going to be a very interesting and tumultuous period, mostly for Pakistan. There are many opposing forces at play in Pakistan. Lets wait and watch, we will all have much to discuss here at Pakistan Defence.

Regards.