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It also hurts when you get killed. I need no justification for Pakistan - my living breathing life is testament to it.

Silly at best, and the living breathing life of 200 million indian minorities including 160 million muslims in a slap on that so called testament.

Not to mention the daily masscare of muslims in pakistan, i think it does not hurt when you die in land of the pure :tdown:

India has a genocide rate of once per decade. That is quite high when this is not counting Kashmir - the perpetual ongoing, never ending murder fest India has going on over there.

The new Kashmiri slogan clearly is meant to degrade and insult India and proclaim their closeness to Pakistan. That is the value Kashmir gives you.

Our so called genocides are a storm in a tea cup compared to what goes on in pakistan! So you can keep calling it genocide etc, as in pakistan's parallel universe it surely is, but the rest of the world where WE live, we only laugh!
 
India has a genocide rate of once per decade. That is quite high when this is not counting Kashmir - the perpetual ongoing, never ending murder fest India has going on over there.
Oh please, do not confuse yourself about Genocides and Pogroms (also saccharined as Riots). What happened with Gujarat in 2002 was a state-sponsored pogrom i.e. targeting specific groups (in this case Muslims) in a specific region (out of the multitudes of places in India) for a specific reason (Godhra carnage). Read this for your further knowledge about the distinction.
In my work on India, I have argued that what are labeled Hindu-Muslim riots have, more often than not, been turned into pogroms and massacres of Muslims, in which few Hindus are killed. In fact, in sites of endemic rioting, there exist what I have called institutionalised riot systems,? in which the organisations of militant Hindu nationalism are deeply implicated. I believe that such riot systems exist and have existed in many other places in the world, at least for the past two centuries, including in Russia, other parts of Europe, and the United States. In such sites, persons can be identified, who play specific roles in the preparation, enactment, and explanation of riots after the fact. Especially important are what I call the "fire tenders," who keep inter-group tensions alive through various inflammatory and inciting acts; "conversion specialists," who lead and address mobs of potential rioters and give a signal to indicate if and when violence should commence; criminals and the poorest elements in society, recruited and rewarded for enacting the violence; and politicians and the vernacular media who, during the violence, and in its aftermath, draw attention away from the perpetrators of the violence by attributing it to the actions of an inflamed mass public.

What happened in East Pakistan in 1971 was a Genocide.
It is really a struggle for territory, for the right to make a claim of utmost suffering and victimhood for a people, or to extend the claim to encompass a wider range of sufferers. It is to that extent a political rather than a scientific struggle - for attention to one's cause - in which historians themselves become enmeshed.

The narrow focus on exposing to view particular sites of genocide previously neglected has merit and is necessary, but it often gives the appearance more of a prosecutor's amassing of evidence for a jury, in this case of world opinion.

And no wonder we see Riots, even ethnic Cleansing amongst Muslims day-in and day-out in Pakistan. Why ? One of the sarcastic reasons is this in which Don Morris writes at Doc’s Talk (thanks to Janet Levy)
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris — car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam — Mohammed cartoons).

India — Muslim 13.4%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
The main reason is the intolerance and the fundamentalist mindset of a MUSLIM STATE (Note the keywords here). The day u separate out Religion from State is the day we will see the end of the daily Diwalis going on in the Land of the Pure.
 
India has a genocide rate of once per decade. That is quite high when this is not counting Kashmir - the perpetual ongoing, never ending murder fest India has going on over there.

The new Kashmiri slogan clearly is meant to degrade and insult India and proclaim their closeness to Pakistan. That is the value Kashmir gives you.

Yawn - Pakistan routinely kills more Muslims than India does. Pakistan has a genocide rate of well - I can't say - because it just doesn't stop.
 
Anathema - From Kerala and Mumbai
Bang Galore - From Bangalore (Karnataka)
Benny - From Kerala
Tshering22 - From Shillong (i believe)
Joe Shearer - From Manipur ( I believe)
Desi Jatt - From Punjab.
Duhastmish - From Kashmir
EjazR - From TamilNadu (I believe)
GowthamRaj - From TamilNadu
Karthic Sri - From TamilNadu
do_more - From Orissa
Prism - From Mohali
Colsfan - New Delhi
Indian Army - From Kerala
Pride - From UP.
Lionhear - From Karnataka ---etc, etc, etc.

and many more -- all for one Nation forever !

Does this look like National Disintegration to anyone ?
Sabir from Kolkata......but why is the gathering for???:D
 
“Bhooka nanga Hindustan; Jaan se pyaara Pakistan.” (Starving and tattered India we reject; Pakistan - land of our dreams - we embrace.)

Ohh man why you want to make fun of your self If Hindustan is bhooka Nanga then hard to imagine what is Pakistan right now ...


Bhookha Nanag Hindustan dnt need Aid to feed their people but Pakistan does
Bhooke Nange Hindustani dnt feel embarrassment because of their Nationality but Pakistani does



Awesome Article keep going :rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
Crazy *** Indians want to oppress people with force. Welcome to the world's largest democracy.

talk about your government....importing chinese army personnels to quiet'n the voices of freedom in gilgit and baltistan...
 
I hear a lot about this from our friends across the border, not just on this forum, even from the eminent personalities in pakistani TV debate. Now i have never heard about anything called Tamil movement in my entire life. I thought tamil nadu is one of the peaceful states of india. Please enlighten me with the name of atleast one tamil movement in india!!

It might have been better if you read a lil bit of Indian history first .Tamil Nadu had a very significant sepratist movement in 50s and early 60s . The DMK was strongly anti Brahman ,anti north and anti Aryan .They viewed southern brahminsand north Indians as aryans and south Indians as dravidians . After Independence They increasingly used language instead of race as seccesionist planck. Infact current patriach of DMK (Karunanidhi ) was also associated with this movement .However After compulsory introduction of hindi as national language was stopped the sepratism began to wane ...some other factors like electoral success and 16th constitutional ammendment was also responsible .
The sepratism might have died down but that does not mean that there was no sepratism but I was amazed that in 7 pages none of Indian members even hinted about this . I can only draw two conclusions from this either indian members are woefully ignorant of thier history or they want to gloss over some aspects of that history .
 
It might have been better if you read a lil bit of Indian history first .Tamil Nadu had a very significant sepratist movement in 50s and early 60s . The DMK was strongly anti Brahman ,anti north and anti Aryan .They viewed southern brahminsand north Indians as aryans and south Indians as dravidians . After Independence They increasingly used language instead of race as seccesionist planck. Infact current patriach of DMK (Karunanidhi ) was also associated with this movement .However After compulsory introduction of hindi as national language was stopped the sepratism began to wane ...some other factors like electoral success and 16th constitutional ammendment was also responsible .
The sepratism might have died down but that does not mean that there was no sepratism but I was amazed that in 7 pages none of Indian members even hinted about this . I can only draw two conclusions from this either indian members are woefully ignorant of thier history or they want to gloss over some aspects of that history .

Do you understand difference between "Protest" and " Fight for Independance"? TN was never ever asked for any kind of separate country what so ever stance of DMK was. Could you please show us any official documents which shows a separate nation's demand?

Tha language divide was a nationwide protest against Hindi as national language and people from non-Hindi speaking states were afraid that they wont be able to make to Public sector jobs due to Hindi. The major problem was again not Hindi but the way Nehru and his associate was trying to bring Hindi to the nation was wrong. It was like imposing. Its profit is taken by Political leaders as well but nobody come up with separate nation.:tdown:

Just to satsify your ego, TN was only once put into Tamil Ealem due to stand of Mr Rajiv Gandhi's stand for IPKF but even then it was from LTTE and not from TN.
 
Who are you to decide that they are violent, directionless, self-destructive and brainwashed? Just because they don't want to be with you? Their only problem is that they are minority and the majority votes to keep them oppress with their 99% hindu dominated army. You have judged yourselves aka Hindu majority to be the SANE ones and the minority to be insane.

Shame shame.

How would you feel if you want to take a path or make a decision regarding yourself and someone turns up and say no this is wrong for you i wont let you do it even if i have to kill you for that. you are violent, self destructive, brainwashed because YOU DON'T LISTEN TO ME!

Your argument crosses every possible limit of lameness. It is because of people like you, who transform oppressed people into terrorists and then spend billions to stop "terrorists" attacks. Why not just live and let them live? The inequality and injustice is the mother of all terrorism. When these oppressed give up hope and have nothing to loose they become self destructive and kill you who oppress them.

Thank god you were not successful in dictating US what is best for US in 1947. May be i would have died somewhere in Mumbai or Gujarat if we listened to the sane Hindus and Gandhi.

Talk about yourself and your sanity. You have no right to judge others as destructive, insane and directionless. Let them speak for themselves. Aren't they already?[/QU

quite strange i'll have to agree with you partly though...these people are not violent...but misguided and brainwashed they are...and yes to a certain extent self-destructive as well...the point is that they want freedom from india.the fact is that they don't understand they the moment they get this so called azadi they are sure to be gobbled up by sino pakistan duo....
talking about undemocratic ways of the indians in kashmir doesnt really suite you....you first really need to talk about the undemocratic systems in so called azad kashmir....azad my foot...they dont even get to decide what they can do over there..it is all decided by a minister from pakistan...so that area is anything but azad...
as far as indian army's religious composition is concerned it has never been a religious army...those are soldiers and not religious fanatics...n btw where did u find that 99% statistics..indian army hasnt allowed religious profiling of it personnels yet..
believe me im equally happy that you people got away from us....otherwise you could have brought the same ruin to us as u people have brought to urselves...as far as mumbai is concerned the man who started it all is sitting pretty in pakistan enjoying immunity by ur government...
n dude we dont need our lessons in democracy and secularism from you coz your country is anything but those....
 
Who cares about few bugger's slogan? Last time Lashkar's slogan was "aayi aayi Laskhar aayi, Bharat teri maut aayi"... oops we all are dead..

Bhookha nanga Hindustaan.. lol we are world's 2nd fastest economy and getting compared with Pakistan. Isn't it display the brainwashed mind of youths?

we know Its a shame right, :lol:

you are compared with us in military, you have the most poor people in the world, human rights violation in Kashmir, but eh you are the world 2nd fast economy aswel
 
we know Its a shame right, :lol:

you are compared with us in military, you have the most poor people in the world, human rights violation in Kashmir, but eh you are the world 2nd fast economy aswel

get your fact right, you dont worry about us, when your country begging for aid from donors
 
It might have been better if you read a lil bit of Indian history first .Tamil Nadu had a very significant sepratist movement in 50s and early 60s . The DMK was strongly anti Brahman ,anti north and anti Aryan .They viewed southern brahmins and north Indians as aryans and south Indians as dravidians . After Independence They increasingly used language instead of race as seccesionist planck. Infact current patriach of DMK (Karunanidhi ) was also associated with this movement .However After compulsory introduction of hindi as national language was stopped the sepratism began to wane ...some other factors like electoral success and 16th constitutional ammendment was also responsible.
I am very much aware of the demand for Dravidistan ; The root cause for this was the lack of equal rights amongst the lower-caste of Society which led to the fructuation of the Self-Respect movement. However, I believe that our Forefathers were extremely tolerant and also far-sighted in the sense that they saw a viable carrot to quiet down the movement ; The first is in creating the States Reorganization Act to separate Tamil Nadu linguistically from the fringe states of the Dravidistan movement. The second was in contesting the TN assembly elections which defeated the very purpose of secession from India.

The sepratism might have died down but that does not mean that there was no sepratism but I was amazed that in 7 pages none of Indian members even hinted about this . I can only draw two conclusions from this either indian members are woefully ignorant of their history or they want to gloss over some aspects of that history .
I think you missed the real take-away from the Dravidistan movement. Which is this : Movements that are based on Religion, Caste, Language or Race rather than on equal Human rights are ALWAYS bound to fail. Once the Dravidistan movement was splintered from the Self-Respect movement, and once that movement was quelled by both a bigger carrot (A separate state of Tamil Nadu) and a smaller stick(Sixteenth Amendment), you have only narrow objectives for a narrow vision. Why do you think Bangladesh was formed ? It was due to the utter deprivation of Human rights and moral bankruptcy shown by Yahya Khan and his cohorts on East Pakistan.
 
Isnt pakistan having a bomb blast almost every week?where it's own muslim citizens especially of minority sectsare killed by fellow muslims ?170+died this WEEK alone,including todays 10. Isn't ethnic based target killing happening almost daily?even in holy month!Is violence of this intensity happening in somalia,let alone india?I'm not saying india is a super duper country,we do have bad incidents started by illiterate hindus and muslims and incidents like babri masjid..mayb once in a decade.But portraying india as starving and disintegrating while pakistan as some sort of heaven makes me rofl.
 
we know Its a shame right, :lol:

you are compared with us in military, you have the most poor people in the world, human rights violation in Kashmir, but eh you are the world 2nd fast economy aswel

From where you are seeing it will surely be seen as "Shame" as tag India is attached.

If somebody compare our army with Kenya.. Is that our problem? Moreover, We as Indian, compare ourselves with China not you. This is you who are obsessed with widening gap of Indian and Pakistani armed forces. Go search today's posts.

Regarding Human right violation. If killing a rioter is required for peace of others then I am ok with that.

And Thanks for your recognition.. yes we are 2nd fastest growing economy.
 

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