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[Gene]

I expected it all along.
In order to solve an issue one has to look and move in right direction, timing is also important, otherwise all efforts, resources and energies are misdericted and wasted.

It is natural, those who are in streets taking bullets on their chests have lost every hope, they are brains who grew up in oppression, they have collected hate every day they were stripped searched and humiliated alongside their families.

Indian occupied Kashmir is a just an open air jail, with a difference where prisoners had to pay tax to the state to get their children shoot dead.

Palestine and Israel conflict is a similar example. only difference world (controlled) media is hiding the 60 years plight of Kashmiris more religously than any thing else?

Is UN blind? or is it hijacked?

First give freedom to the ***.then talk about the freedom of Indian part of kashmir.

 

[nanmun]

Jo hukam ho meray kakaa
Just stop stripping urself naked by insisting on falsehood repeatedly...

One

Second case of denial Look at him laughing his inner fears off...

Thrird case of denial

Please read my full post before quoting it. I think you have the ability to comprehend long english sentences/comprehension. (Pathetic!)

Anyways, if the pictures were true. It's a mistake. UN is a neutral body and its equipment is not used.

@on the post about police intimidating Facebook users

lol .. to think that Indian police are good in use of technology and are quick to respond ... if its true ... I'm happy that they are adopting technologies and look at the response time ... This can be useful in good times.

 

[gurjot]

Kashmir is disputed teritory officialy declared by UN since long ago.
India is not adhering to UN resolutions of allowing Kashmiris right of self determination.
It is moral duty of whole world to encourage Indians respect international laws.

i think pakistan respected all international laws

1)A Q khan
2)supporting taliban in afghanistan as repeated in the wikileaks.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

What proof you want!!!. There has been cross-border terrorism for more than one decade and it is well documented and agreed upon by many Pakistani generals, politicians and writers.

i made a simple request; i asked you to provide evidence that Pakistan has a hand in the civilian uprising in occupied Kashmir and you couldnt even do that?

 

[gurjot]

i made a simple request; i asked you to provide evidence that Pakistan has a hand in the civilian uprising in occupied Kashmir and you couldnt even do that?

IBNLive : Pawan Bali's Blog : A Stoned T-20

they r paid to do so.they provoke the police and when police fire and if some one get injured or killed.they start to do this again

http://www.zeenews.com/news640328.html

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/castrated-congressmen/645336/

No Secularism , Only Islam in Kashmir : Hurriyat Leader Announces The Kashmir

geelani says only islam is the religion in kashmir.it clarifies it's stand.what else i can say.

 

[linkinpark]

i made a simple request; i asked you to provide evidence that Pakistan has a hand in the civilian uprising in occupied Kashmir and you couldnt even do that?

What better proof you need when the Hurriyat leader himself says that they are being on the payroll of Pakistan

In a startling interview to a local television channel, senior Hurriyat leader Bilal Lone has come out with a shocker that every separatist leader in Jammu and Kashmir has been on Pakistan’s pay roll. In what has embarrassed several with the Hurriyat, though the All-Parties Hurriyat Conference Chief Mirwaiz Umar Farooq has still not spoken out against the allegations made by is the direct manner in which Lone has made his claims. While being harsher on the hardliners his claims are overarching in their reach.

“I haven’t taken money from both sides. I've taken it only from one side. For the last one and a half years money from this channel has also stopped. Thank God for it. We don't betray the people who financially help us,” Lone said in the interview. On the other hand, even Syed Ali Shah Geelani, the hardliner has not reacted. He has been admitted to the hospital in Srinagar after his rally on Friday. But party sources say he has chosen not to react immediately.


Pak paid separatist: Bilal Lone- TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos

 

[OTTOMAN]

First give freedom to the ***.then talk about the freedom of Indian part of kashmir.

Kashmiris want to be part of Pakistan and this is all they want and we must respect the wishes of the masses.
Why Pakistan should be party of violating democratic right of Kashmiris?
They are our brothers and we welcome them with both hands.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

they r paid to do so.they provoke the police and when police fire and if some one get injured or killed.they start to do this again

Hurriyat faction leader behind stone-pelting protests

'Violence in the Valley was funded by Hurriyat'

doubtful.....and the real tragedy is, a lot of those killed in encounters arent even protestors and had nothing even to do with them.

Of course killing protestors too is wrong, and now hindustan is reaping what it's sowing as can be seen

No Secularism , Only Islam in Kashmir : Hurriyat Leader Announces The Kashmir

geelani says only islam is the religion in kashmir.it clarifies it's stand.what else i can say.

got any other sources with the same information? I was reviewing the site and it looks to be a hastily made blog; not a source for neutrally reported news

just for the record, Kashmir is a Muslim majority region as you may be aware

 

[EjazR]

Youth who survived Leh cloudburst says army 'god sent' - India - DNA

At a time when people in the Valley are fighting pitched battles with security forces, for 18-year-old Wahid, a victim of the deadly cloudburst, the army was god sent.

Lying at the army hospital here with cervical vertebrae fracture, Wahid, a vegetable vendor from Budgam in Kashmir, said, "I was sleeping in my shop with two others when the water suddenly gushed in. I was swept away for over a kilometre before I could grab a window bar and hold on to it."

Wahid says one of his friend was washed away while another was rescued and now has been sent back to Srinagar.

The youngster was finally saved by the army personnel and brought to the hospital.

Timely treatment meant that his fracture, which could also have resulted in complete paralysis, was taken care of.

"The army has been extremely nice. I am being looked after properly here. Had it not being for them, I would have been one among the many killed," he said adding "I am thankful to the army. The men were god sent," the youth said.

Asked about the opposition of the people against the security forces in the Valley, he said, "I came here to earn my living and I am alive now because of them and that is all I know."

 

[EjazR]

J-K Govt. reaches out to victims in flash flood affected villages

The Jammu and Kashmir government is leaving no stone unturned to reach out to the affected villagers in this flash flood ravaged region, as it has come forth to lend the much-needed helping hand to the victims.

On Thursday (August 12), relief items were dispensed to the victims in Skurbuchan and Domkhar-Do villages.

The government is providing and distributing food materials like rice, floor, sugar, blankets, mattresses and tarpaulins besides medicines to the victims of the affected area

Kunzes Angmo, an Assistant Executive Engineer with Public Works Department (PWD), supervising the affected villages said: "For immediate relief, we are providing tents, tarpaulins, blankets, mattresses and some food materials like floor, rice, cooking oil and spices etc, which the victims require for their survival."

Several international tourists have stayed back and joined the rescue and relief operations.

A common sight was group of tourists actively clearing an affected area. The villages of Basgo, Urtsi, Taru and Saboo were also supplied relief materials.

The Deputy Commissioner of Ladakh mentioned that personnel from the army and other organisations have tirelessly helped the government in the relief operations.

"We provided cooked food to the victims in the first four to five days with the help of different agencies for which we have availed help from the army, ITBP (Indo-Tibetan Border Police) and many NGOs to came forward to help us and now we are providing them (the victims) dry food materials," said Tsering Angchuk, Deputy Commissioner and Chief Executive Officer, Ladakh Division.

The administration has endeavoured to restore normalcy in the region, particularly in the remote villages which have been further isolated after the cloudburst and unexpected floods. By Shashank Shantanu (ANI)

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Indian Forces Face Broader Revolt in Kashmir​

August 12, 2010

By LYDIA POLGREEN

SRINAGAR, Kashmir — Late Sunday night, after six days on life support with a bullet in his brain, Fida Nabi, a 19-year-old high school student, was unhooked from his ventilator at a hospital here.

Mr. Nabi was the 50th person to die in Kashmir’s bloody summer of rage. He had been shot in the head, his family and witnesses said, during a protest against India’s military presence in this disputed province.

For decades, India maintained hundreds of thousands of security forces in Kashmir to fight an insurgency sponsored by Pakistan, which claims this border region, too. The insurgency has been largely vanquished. But those Indian forces are still here, and today they face a threat potentially more dangerous to the world’s largest democracy: an intifada-like popular revolt against the Indian military presence that includes not just stone-throwing young men but their sisters, mothers, uncles and grandparents.

The protests, which have erupted for a third straight summer, have led India to one of its most serious internal crises in recent memory. Not just because of their ferocity and persistence, but because they signal the failure of decades of efforts to win the assent of Kashmiris using just about any tool available: money, elections and overwhelming force.

“We need a complete revisit of what our policies in Kashmir have been,” said Amitabh Mattoo, a professor of strategic affairs at Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi and a Kashmiri Hindu. “It is not about money — you have spent huge amounts of money. It is not about fair elections. It is about reaching out to a generation of Kashmiris who think India is a huge monster represented by bunkers and security forces.”

Indeed, Kashmir’s demand for self-determination is sharper today than it has been at perhaps any other time in the region’s troubled history. It comes as — and in part because — diplomatic efforts remain frozen to resolve the dispute created more than 60 years ago with the partition of mostly Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan. Today each nation controls part of Kashmir, whose population is mostly Muslim.

Secret negotiations in 2007, which came close to creating an autonomous region shared by the two countries, foundered as Pervez Musharraf, then Pakistan’s president, lost his grip on power. The terrorist attacks in Mumbai, India’s financial capital, by Pakistani militants in 2008 derailed any hope for further talks.

Not least, India has consistently rebuffed any attempt at outside mediation or diplomatic entreaties, including efforts by the United States. The intransigence has left Kashmiris empty-handed and American officials with little to offer Pakistan on its central preoccupation — India and Kashmir — as they struggle to encourage Pakistan’s help in cracking down on the Taliban and other militants in the country.

With no apparent avenue to progress, many Kashmiris are despairing that their struggle is taking place in a vacuum, and they are taking matters into their own hands.

“What we are seeing today is the complete rebound effect of 20 years of oppression,” said Mirwaiz Umer Farooq, the chief cleric at Srinagar’s main mosque and a moderate separatist leader. Kashmiris, he said, are “angry, humiliated and willing to face death.”

This summer there have been nearly 900 clashes between protesters and security forces, which have left more than 50 civilians dead, most of them from gunshot wounds. While more than 1,200 soldiers have been wounded by rock-throwing crowds, not one has been killed in the unrest, leading to questions about why Indian security forces are using deadly force against unarmed civilians — and why there is so little international outcry.

“The world is silent when Kashmiris die in the streets,” said Altaf Ahmed, a 31-year-old schoolteacher.

On Tuesday, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh made an emotional appeal for peace.

“I can feel the pain and understand the frustration that is bringing young people out into the streets of Kashmir,” the Indian prime minister said in a televised speech. “Many of them have seen nothing but violence and conflict in their lives and have been scarred by suffering.”

Indeed, there is a palpable sense of opportunities squandered. Despite the protests of recent years, the Kashmir Valley had in the past few years been enjoying a season of peace.

The insurgency of the 1990s has mostly dried up, and elections in 2008 drew the highest percentage of voters in a generation. High expectations met the new chief minister, Omar Abdullah, a scion of Kashmir’s leading political family, whose fresh face seemed well suited to bringing better government and prosperity to Kashmir.

But election promises, like repealing laws that largely shield security forces from scrutiny and demilitarizing the state, went unfulfilled. After two summers of protests on specific grievances, this summer’s unrest has taken on a new character, one more difficult to define and mollify.

That anger has led to a cycle of violence that the Indian government seems powerless to stop. Events that unfolded last week in Pulwama, a small town 20 miles from Srinagar, illustrate how the violence feeds itself.

It began on Monday, Aug. 2, when a young man, Mohammad Yacoub Bhatt, from a village near Pulwama was shot dead during a march to protest the earlier killings of other young protesters.

Four days later, a procession set off to protest his death. Soon it swelled into the thousands. The police blocked the road and refused to let the marchers pass, worried that the crowd would burn down government buildings, as previous crowds had.

What happened next is disputed. Protesters claimed that when they tried to surge through a barricade, the police opened fire.

“We did not think they would open fire,” said Malik Shahid, 17, who had joined the march. “There was no violence. It was a peaceful protest.”

First the police fired in the air, witnesses said, then into the scattering crowd. A bullet felled Mr. Shahid’s uncle, Shabir Ahmed Malik, a 24-year-old driver, and killed him on the spot.

Mr. Shahid, a 12th grader who hopes to become an engineer, said the latest violence was evidence to him that remaining part of India was impossible.

“If India took steps against those who kill us, maybe the people of Kashmir would be willing,” he said. “But when there is no justice how can we remain with India? They are not doing anything but killing. So we will just go for freedom.”

Commandant Prabhakar Tripathy, spokesman for the Central Reserve Police Force, the main paramilitary force trying to keep order in Kashmir, declined to comment on the episode but said that the protests were not as spontaneous as they appeared.

“Militants are just mingling with the crowd, firing bullets from the crowd,” Mr. Tripathy said. “Now they are trying to raise this confrontation between the public and the security forces.”

“We are charging them with tear gas, rubber pellets, firing in the air, nothing works here,” he said. “When a crowd of thousands attacks the camp, what can you do?”

Indian officials have tried to portray Kashmir’s stone-throwing youths as illiterate pawns of jihadist forces across the Pakistan border and have suggested that economic development and jobs are the key to getting young people off the streets.

But many of the stone throwers are hardly illiterate. They organize on Facebook, creating groups with names like “Im a Kashmiri Stone Pelter.” One young man who regularly joins protests and goes by the nom de guerre Khalid Khan has an M.B.A. and a well-paying job.

“Stone pelting is a form of resistance to their acts of repression in the face of peaceful protest,” he said in an interview. “I would call it self-defense. Stones do not kill. Their bullets kill.”

Each death seems to feed the anger on the streets, creating new recruits for the revolt. Fida Nabi’s brother, Aabid, 21, watched over him as he drifted toward death this week, his head swathed in white bandages, his chest rising and falling to the ghostly rhythm of the ventilator.

Aabid thought he had his life all mapped out — making more than $200 a month as a news photographer. But since his brother was shot his priorities have changed. “I used to cover the protests,” he said. “But now I will join them.”

Hari Kumar contributed reporting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/13/world/asia/13kashmir.html

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Finally it makes it to the front page of the NYT.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Also check out the NYT interactive, with some very touching pictures:

India Faces Broader Revolt in Kashmir - Slide Show - NYTimes.com

 

[indushek]

Have been facing this from seen and unseen forces right from the start, no problem we will weather out anything.

 

[Spring Onion]

First of all Rapid Action Force is not Indian Army. It is specialised riot control police force.

and personnel in RAF are from Somalia

Second.......Talk to your parents and they will tell you that they gone through all the passions you are going through now.
Lastly...if you talk to your parants and your grand parents moer than spending your timem in this forum, they willl tell you to conecentarte on what you have and will warn you that the consequence will be that you may end up getting sliced again. ......history..recent history.

You should SHUT UP and Concentrate on bharti mentality you might be able to reform yourself

 

[amit30]

and personnel in RAF are from Somalia





You should SHUT UP and Concentrate on bharti mentality you might be able to reform yourself

who the hell you are to tell any one shut up
well Bhatari mentality is much batter than Pak mentality and also recognise by whole world