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[honour]

A cousin of mine went for Kashmir Jihad 8 years back when he was 20..
Love to go myself..
U never know.
TILL LASY DROP OF BLOOD.....WE WILL NEVER FORGET KASHMIR.
PAKISTAN ZINDABAD
FREE KASHMIR
MUJAHIDEEN PAINDABAD.

Love to go....u are certainly welcome......come and join them....dont just blast in front of PC.....

 

[Jackdaws]

This is the most retarded report i have ever read. My entire family, my entire clan which numbers in the hundred of thousands lives in ajk. While living in the U.S. my mom and dad call back to akj almost everday. If their was any problems we would know about it. This reporter is saying that their is no freedom in ajk???? Pakistani goverment not letting the ajk saying anything???? Then how in the hell was he able to write this article. This newssite is based out of lahore. He is wrting about it right now isn't he?????? anyone stopping him from writing this paper. ?????????????

I too have close Kashmiri Muslim friends who still have family in Srinagar - immediate family, not distant relatives. But I don't think my well-to-do friend's family is representative of all Kashmiri Muslims who definitely suffer indignities with Army presence.

 

[KS]

^^^^^^^

Bullz Eye Bro......

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

As as Kashmiri from AJK, and having been there and lived there many times I have mever seen such nonesense. You are free to support any party you want. I walked freely in the Bazaar with my family, I ate kebabs, bought chips, pakoras. I went to a Computer shop to check the price of s Ps3 and some games. I bought films. I had complete freedom wherev in AJK I went and I went as far as Kotli and near "Thattha Pani". So close I could hear the sounds of border firing. This is absolute BS get me 10 people who live in AJK and they can tell you their life their. Oh and btw I live in a AJK village and there is VERY strong patriotic feelings for Pakistan, debates can be heard at the local shops + tea shop, deabtes about Pakistan's affairs.

 

[ambidex]

As as Kashmiri from AJK, and having been there and lived there many times I have mever seen such nonesense. You are free to support any party you want. I walked freely in the Bazaar with my family, I ate kebabs, bought chips, pakoras. I went to a Computer shop to check the price of s Ps3 and some games. I bought films. I had complete freedom wherev in AJK I went and I went as far as Kotli and near "Thattha Pani". So close I could hear the sounds of border firing. This is absolute BS get me 10 people who live in AJK and they can tell you their life their. Oh and btw I live in a AJK village and there is VERY strong patriotic feelings for Pakistan, debates can be heard at the local shops + tea shop, deabtes about Pakistan's affairs.

What an emotional story...
I been to Kashmir 100s of times, my wife is a Kashmiri. Your crocodile tears are nothing but a sheer crap. The way you are trying to portrait *** and India's Kashmir is nauseating.

Pakistan governed Kashmir is an Indian state and no one will talk to you for once when India will claim that part of the Kashmir forever or will negotiate with (ever changing stands) Pakistan without your opinion . If you think you are comfortable here by doing an this act of anarchy against union of India then i must tell you that India side has better opportunities for Kashmiri to grow prosper. Today Kashmiri can afford to buy world's luxuries and comforts from any one market in Kashmir. Kashmiri are working in all Indian states in multi national companies competing in all national exams of your choice; quenching world class education and joining sports politics music industry etc. at whim.

So don't tell us how free are you in your valley, you freedom is not the typical freedom, which I can prove with one single line but that will further challenge our stand which enable us not to recognise what is enforced on so called AJK. Cut the crap try to think rational and feel the power being an Indian its never too late.

Subha ka bhula sham ko vapis aa jaye to use bhula nahi kehte.

 

[new wave]

Feel the power being an Indian its never too late ?

What power, power to eat mud ?
With not enough food, children learn to eat mud - Economy and Politics - livemint.com

Free India occupied Kashmir

 

[prodevelopment]

Feel the power being an Indian its never too late ?

What power, power to eat mud ?
With not enough food, children learn to eat mud - Economy and Politics - livemint.com

Free India occupied Kashmir

What a load of irrelevant horseshit.

At least learn to make coherent sentences.

 

[pandamonkey]

Here is a list of kashmiris fom AJK who have held high positions in pakistan.

Notable Kashmiris
Sardar Mohammad Abdul Qayyum Khan, former PM and president of Azad Kashmir
Mian Muhammad Bakhsh, Sufi saint
Baba-e-Poonch Khansahib Col Khan Muhammad Khan, MLA for Tehsil Bagh and Sudhonoti, 1934–1946
Aziz Khan, former chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee Pakistan
Sardar Sikandar Hayat Khan, former PM and president of Azad Kashmir
Sardar Muhammad Anwar Khan, vice-chief of the General Staff
Baba Shadi Shaheed, Sufi saint
Tassadaq Hussain Khan, former army chief
Barrister Sultan Mahmood, former prime minister of Azad Kashmir
Lord Nazir Ahmed, member of the UK House of Lords
Karam Hussain, mayor of Kirklees, UK
Khalid Mahmood, member of the UK parliament
Sardar Fateh Muhammad Khan Karelvi, Muslim MLA during Dogra rule
Kabir Ali, British-Kashmiri cricket player

Azad Kashmir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[pandamonkey]

Now note the following people.

Aziz Khan, former chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee Pakistan
Sardar Muhammad Anwar Khan, vice-chief of the General Staff
Tassadaq Hussain Khan, former army chief
Tassadaq khan by the way was also the chief of the Oman army, after he retired from paksitan army.
has their ever been a army chief from kashimir on the indian side????????????????????

 

[pandamonkey]

The literacy rate in Azad Kashmir was 62% in 2004, higher than in any other region in Pakistan. If their rights were been supressed, you would know about it. The largest southasian immigrant group are AJK kashmiris.

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The largest southasian immigrant group are AJK kashmiris in U.K.

 

[pandamonkey]

mirpur is virtually full of british citizens.

 

[Swift]

UNHCR | Refworld | Freedom in the World 2008 - Kashmir [Pakistan]


Just have a look at above link. and one question all web you will have blogs and reports of Indian side oh kashmir but hardly any one Pakistan side what could be the reason?

 

[pandamonkey]

ooo and by the way i have a question for the indian members. how many refuges from ajk are in indian held kashmir????
the amount of refuges from the indian side in ajk are 1.5 million.

 

[Swift]

Challenges, Options And Role Of Kashmiri Diaspora

By Dr Shabir Choudhry

03 May, 2010
Countercurrents.org

Text of speech of Dr Shabir Choudhry in a seminar arranged by United Kashmir Peoples National Party in London on 25 April 2010.

Mr Chairman, friends and colleagues aslamo alaykam

Some previous speakers have said Pakistan is an advocate or wakeel of people of Jammu and Kashmir; and that Pakistan has suffered because of the support rendered to the people of Kashmir. They further said Pakistan has done many favours to people of Kashmir; and have kept the Kashmir dispute alive.

That is one way of looking at things, but there is, of course, an alternative view. I want to present that alternative view that people could understand facts about Pakistan’s support for Kashmir; and ‘favour’ Pakistan has done to people of Jammu and Kashmir.

Advocate or wakeel is always appointed or dismissed by a client. People of Jammu and Kashmir did not appoint Pakistan as their advocate, wakeel or representative. Pakistan is self appointed advocate and we have no faith in Pakistan’s sincerity or skills to promote our cause or protect our interests.

Furthermore, when the Kashmir dispute was taken to the UN Security Council by India it was registered there as the Kashmir Problem. It clearly indicated that the issue related to a separate territory other than India or Pakistan; and to the people of Jammu and Kashmir. First ‘favour’ the government of Pakistan did to the people of Jammu and Kashmir was to change that to India and Pakistan problem.

What this showed was that the problem was related to India and Pakistan and not to the people of Jammu and Kashmir. It also showed that Jammu and Kashmir was not a separate territory and people of that territory did not have separate identity and separate existence. It further showed that the dispute was a territorial one; and was not related to nation, its identity and future aspirations.

Let me now explain the second ‘favour’ the government of Pakistan did to the people of Jammu and Kashmir. The UNCIP Resolution of 13 August 1948 stated that ‘the future status of the State of Jammu and Kashmir shall be determined in accordance with the will of the people and to that end, upon acceptance of the Truce Agreement both Governments agree to enter into consultations with the Commission to determine fair and equitable conditions whereby such free expression will be assured.’

The phrase ‘future status’ could mean an accession to Pakistan, an accession to India or an independent Jammu and Kashmir; and when this was confirmed by the UN, it was the government of Pakistan which requested the UN Security Council to change this phrase and replace it with the following: ‘The question of the accession of the State of Jammu and Kashmir to India or Pakistan will be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite.’

So it was Pakistan and not India, which limited Kashmiri peoples right of self determination to right of accession.

This self appointed advocate or wakeel thinks we people of Jammu and Kashmir do not deserve to be an independent nation. They think we do not deserve to use right of self determination. They think we do not deserve to benefit from fruits of independence and democracy. It was because of this thinking they did us another ‘favour’, and limited our right of self determination to right of accession. However they have ‘kindly’ allowed us - people of Jammu and Kashmir to choose our masters in the form of either acceding to India or Pakistan.

We, people of Jammu and Kashmir, are urged to join Pakistan – a country which has no system of accountability, no transparency, no democracy, no political stability, no rule of law, no concept of civil liberties, no economic stability, no electricity, no gas, no place for merit or honesty and which is at war with itself. A country which is in chaos, where terrorists are calling shots, where communal rivalry and violence is promoted, where government has no control in some parts of the country; and where some parts want to break away from the federation and future looks bleak.

People say there is no comparison between two sides of Kashmir because India has more than half million troops there. I agree there is no comparison. It is true there are more than half million troops. It is also true human rights abuse take place there, but despite 21 years of militancy, destruction and instability that area is far ahead of Pakistani Administered Kashmir.

They have what we cannot even dream of on this side of the LOC. They have medical colleges, technical colleges, engineering colleges, free education, high literacy rate, freedom of speech, freedom of travel, freedom to protest etc. They have human rights abuses but they have a system of recording those abuses and highlighting them.

Don’t be under any illusion, human rights abuse also takes place on this side of the LOC, but we have no system of recording that; in fact, no one dares to speak against that because of the repercussions. Leaders on that side of the LOC shout against India and yet they travel to all parts of Jammu and Kashmir, visit Pakistani High Commission in New Delhi and eat chicken tikkas.

Whereas on this side of the LOC, Azad Kashmiri Prime Minister and President cannot even travel to Gilgit Baltistan, and area part of the State. Azad Kashmiri leaders and political activists cannot even think of going to the Indian High Commission in Islamabad. They are not even allowed to have peaceful demonstrations and prime examples are the demonstrations of Mirpur and Rawalakot, where people demonstrated against electric load shedding and problems associated with that.

More electricity is produced in Mirpur and other parts of Azad Kashmir than our requirement, and that electricity is used in Pakistan and we don’t get enough to meet our needs. People of Mirpur and Rawalakot were demanding electricity and an end to more than 14 hours a day load shedding. They were peaceful and they had no guns, and yet they were mercilessly beaten up and guns were used against them injuring scores of innocent people.

Just imagine if these people were trained by India, guns were provided by them and these guns were used against Pakistani army in Azad Kashmir, then you would know what human rights abuse is. Everyone knows it was Pakistan who trained militants, gave them guns, and asked them to use them against the Indian army. India reacted and committed human rights abuses, and now they have more than half million army there. No one can defend that. But ask yourself if they had half million army there before the start of the militancy. Answer is no. So those who started militancy, trained men, sent guns and bombs provided a reason for India to station this large army there.

Many more examples could be given to explain the situation regarding two parts of Kashmir, but due to time I cannot go in to details. But I have to tell you some more facts, bitter as they are. Those leaders and parties who preach you to liberate the Valley of Kashmir or Indian side of Jammu and Kashmir first are not sincere with the cause of Kashmir.

In disguise these people are promoting someone else’s agenda. Their aim is not to liberate Kashmir, but to promote interests of those who want to keep India engaged in Jammu and Kashmir. They want to give this impression that problem is only on the Indian side of the divide, and on the Pakistani side of the divide everything is rosy. That is not true. This part is also occupied, but people are hoodwinked in name of religion and brotherhood. We should learn how Pakistan has practically annexed our motherland - area of Gilgit Baltistan.

On this side of the LOC, we are occupied by Pakistan. Our resources are exploited by them. Our struggle is on this side of the divide. My struggle starts from Bhimber. It starts from Mirpur and Kotli and other parts of Pakistani Administered Kashmir. People of the Indian side of Kashmir are struggling for independence on that side of the divide and they are making big sacrifices. I feel their suffering. I admire their spirit and sacrifices. I fully support that struggle; and want to help and advance the cause of united and independent Jammu and Kashmir.

My words might appear harsh, and some might call this ‘anti Pakistan’. I am not anti Pakistan; in fact no Kashmiri is anti Pakistan. Examples I have given regarding Pakistani role are historical facts. I am not here to promote a Pakistani interest. My mission is to promote a Kashmiri interest and explain to people who have done what against us to harm us, and to enslave us. In discharging this duty if another country’s strategic or other interest are damaged it DOES NOT worry me. It DOES NOT worry me if people dislike or oppose me for promoting a Kashmiri interest.

In conclusion, we people are faced with challenges of extremism, violence and hatred. We are challenged by anti democratic anti liberal forces. We people of Jammu and Kashmir do not have many choices. We have only two choices: accept this intimidation and occupation and become collaborators, or stand up and oppose them. Come what may, we have decided to stand up and fight them back. END

Writer is Director Diplomatic Committee of Kashmir National Party, political analyst and author of many books and booklets. Also he is Director Institute of Kashmir Affairs.Email:drshabirchoudhry@gmail.com

 

[Swift]

here were reports that in Pakistan-administered Kashmir, following the October 2005 earthquake, some armed groups were involved in establishing schools, and anecdotal evidence that they were recruiting children.19

In July 2007 it was reported that a 14-year-old boy was returned to his family in Pakistan after being recruited from a madrasa in South Waziristan, trained and sent over the border to carry out a suicide attack on a provincial governor in Afghanistan, where he was detained by security forces before he could carry out the attack. The boy reportedly alleged that at least two other boys from his madrasa had been indoctrinated to carry out suicide attacks.20 Another report indicated that in towns on the edge of Pakistan’s tribal belt children aged between 11 and 15 were being recruited from schools by pro-Taleban insurgents and trained in Afghanistan as suicide bombers. Young boys were reported to have been lured by the promise of adventure and sacrifice, but reports also indicated that there was a degree of coercion and that parents and teachers feared retaliation if they prevented children from going.21

One suicide attack by a child took place in Pakistan. In September 2007 it was reported that a suicide bomber aged about 15 or 16 had blown himself up in the town of Dera Ismail Khan in NWFP, killing himself and 17 others, in the context of a wave of attacks by pro-Taleban militants in the area following the July 2007 siege of the Lal Masjid.22

A number of children were caught up in the siege of the Lal Masjid. Many were young girls and boys who were students at the two madrasas associated with the Lal Masjid. Those carrying and using weapons were reported to be students over the age of 18.23

In July 2007 a national child rights organization expressed concern about the recruitment and training of children and their training and preparation for military action and conflict. In urging the government to ratify the Optional Protocol and take action to protect children from recruitment it referred to unconfirmed reports of the involvement of children as young as 15 in political violence in Karachi in May 2007, as well as at the Lal Masjid in Islamabad in July 2007.24