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[Mig-29]

the local population always has the first right over the area from wich they belong.

and from what i know(tell me if i am wrong) no one is allowed to own land in kashmir except kashmiris.

You are absolutely right that is the reason there was such a huge protest involving the amaranth board few months back.

 

[aimarraul]

why do you guys support china, when Tibet, xinang, and others parts are invaded by china.

china invaded Tibet and Xinjiang 800 years earlier before US invaded every piece of your current territory

 

[haawk]

china invaded Tibet and Xinjiang 800 years ago before US invaded every piece of your right-now territory

by that logic .....china was invaded and conquered by the mongols .....so mongolia should claim whole of china

Mongol invasion of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[aimarraul]

by that logic .....china was invaded and conquered by the mongols .....so mongolia should claim whole of china

Mongol invasion of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

china's territory is still 3 times bigger than india's........i don't know much about the history ,china probably took the whole tibet from india thousands years agowhat real matter is where you are and what you are capable now

 

[aimarraul]

i didn't educated well ........i am not proud of this,indian like me probably don't even have a chance to touch the computer......

 

[grey boy 2]

BSF; Poor English? big deal!

Chinese learn English not to become Shakespeare!

As you know not everyone have a chance like you Indians,

have the privilage to learn English for hundreds of years from

your Old Brittish Slave master!!

 

[haawk]

BSF; Poor English? big deal!

Chinese learn English not to become Shakespeare!

As you know not everyone have a chance like you Indians,

have the privilage to learn English for hundreds of years from

your Old Brittish Slave master!!

then i am sure that you would be knowing japanese


and german toohttp://http://www.dhm.de/ausstellungen/tsingtau/tsingtau_e.html

perhaps english and french too

European penetration of China


A shocked mandarin in Manchu robe in the back, with Queen Victoria (UK), William II (Germany), Nicholas II (Russia), Marianne (France), and a samurai (Japan) stabbing into a plate with Chine ("China" in French) written on it.
Main article: European Enclaves in China
The 16th century brought many Jesuit missionaries to China, such as Matteo Ricci, who established missions where Western science was introduced, and where Europeans gathered knowledge of Chinese society, history, culture, and science. During the eighteenth century, merchants from Western Europe came to China in increasing numbers. However, merchants were confined to Guangzhou and the Portuguese colony of Macau, as they had been since the 16th century. European traders were increasingly irritated by what they saw as the relatively high customs duties they had to pay and by the attempts to curb the growing import trade in opium. By 1800, its importation was forbidden by the imperial government. However, the opium trade continued to boom.
Early in the nineteenth century, serious internal weaknesses developed in the Manchu empire that left China vulnerable to Western, Japanese, and Russian imperialism. In 1839, China found itself fighting the First Opium War with Britain. China was defeated, and in 1842, agreed to the provisions of the Treaty of Nanjing. Hong Kong was ceded to Britain, and certain ports, including Shanghai and Guangzhou, were opened to British trade and residence. In 1856, the Second Opium War broke out. The Chinese were again defeated, and now forced to the terms of the 1858 Treaty of Tientsin. The treaty opened new ports to trade and allowed foreigners to travel in the interior. Christians gained the right to propagate their religion—another means of Western penetration. The United States and Russia later obtained the same prerogatives in separate treaties.
Toward the end of the nineteenth century, China appeared on the way to territorial dismemberment and economic vassalage—the fate of India’s rulers that played out much earlier. Several provisions of these treaties caused long-standing bitterness and humiliation among the Chinese: extra-territoriality (meaning that in a dispute with a Chinese person, a Westerner had the right to be tried in a court under the laws of his own country), customs regulation, and the right to station foreign warships in Chinese waters.
The rise of Japan since the Meiji Restoration as an imperial power led to further subjugation of China. In a dispute over China's longstanding claim of suzerainty in Korea, war broke out between China and Japan, resulting in humiliating defeat for the Chinese. By the Treaty of Shimonoseki (1895), China was forced to recognise effective Japanese rule of Korea and Taiwan was ceded to Japan until its recovery in 1945 at the end of the WWII by the Republic of China.
China's defeat at the hands of Japan was another trigger for future aggressive actions by Western powers. In 1897, Germany demanded and was given a set of exclusive mining and railroad rights in Shandong province. Russia obtained access to Dairen and Port Arthur and the right to build a railroad across Manchuria, thereby achieving complete domination over a large portion of northwestern China. The United Kingdom and France also received a number of concessions. At this time, much of China was divided up into "spheres of influence": Germany dominated Jiaozhou (Kiaochow) Bay, Shandong, and the Huang He (Hwang-Ho) valley; Russia dominated the Liaodong Peninsula and Manchuria; the United Kingdom dominated Weihaiwei and the Yangtze Valley; and France dominated the Guangzhou Bay and several other southern provinces.
China continued to be divided up into these spheres until the United States, which had no sphere of influence, grew alarmed at the possibility of its businessmen being excluded from Chinese markets. In 1899, Secretary of State John Hay asked the major powers to agree to a policy of equal trading privileges. In 1900, several powers agreed to the U.S.-backed scheme, giving rise to the "Open Door" policy, denoting freedom of commercial access and non-annexation of Chinese territory. In any event, it was in the European powers' interest to have a weak but independent Chinese government. The privileges of the Europeans in China were guaranteed in the form of treaties with the Qing government. In the event that the Qing government totally collapsed, each power risked losing the privileges that it already had negotiated.
The erosion of Chinese sovereignty contributed to a spectacular anti-foreign outbreak in June 1900, when the "Boxers" (properly the society of the "righteous and harmonious fists") attacked European legations in Beijing, provoking a rare display of unity among the powers, whose troops landed at Tianjin and marched on the capital. British and French forces looted, plundered and burned the Old Summer Palace to the ground for the second time (the first time being in 1860, following the Second Opium War), as a form of threat to force the Qing empire to give in to their demands. German forces were particularly severe in exacting revenge for the killing of their ambassador, while Russia tightened its hold on Manchuria in the northeast until its crushing defeat by Japan in the war of 1904-1905.
Although extra-territorial jurisdiction was abandoned by the United Kingdom and the United States in 1943, foreign political control of parts of China only finally ended with the incorporation of Hong Kong and the small Portuguese territory of Macau into the People's Republic of China in 1997 and 1999 respectively.

 

[grey boy 2]

then i am sure that you would be knowing japanese

Poor baby, still feeling upset from your lack of knowledge?

 

[haawk]

Poor baby, still feeling upset from your lack of knowledge?

since you don't know history....i ve posted your imperial history in my above post......please read before posting......oops chinese don't read english!!!!!! am sorry

 

[aimarraul]

then i am sure that you would be knowing japanese


and german toohttp://http://www.dhm.de/ausstellungen/tsingtau/tsingtau_e.html

perhaps english and french too

European penetration of China


A shocked mandarin in Manchu robe in the back, with Queen Victoria (UK), William II (Germany), Nicholas II (Russia), Marianne (France), and a samurai (Japan) stabbing into a plate with Chine ("China" in French) written on it.
Main article: European Enclaves in China
The 16th century brought many Jesuit missionaries to China, such as Matteo Ricci, who established missions where Western science was introduced, and where Europeans gathered knowledge of Chinese society, history, culture, and science. During the eighteenth century, merchants from Western Europe came to China in increasing numbers. However, merchants were confined to Guangzhou and the Portuguese colony of Macau, as they had been since the 16th century. European traders were increasingly irritated by what they saw as the relatively high customs duties they had to pay and by the attempts to curb the growing import trade in opium. By 1800, its importation was forbidden by the imperial government. However, the opium trade continued to boom.
Early in the nineteenth century, serious internal weaknesses developed in the Manchu empire that left China vulnerable to Western, Japanese, and Russian imperialism. In 1839, China found itself fighting the First Opium War with Britain. China was defeated, and in 1842, agreed to the provisions of the Treaty of Nanjing. Hong Kong was ceded to Britain, and certain ports, including Shanghai and Guangzhou, were opened to British trade and residence. In 1856, the Second Opium War broke out. The Chinese were again defeated, and now forced to the terms of the 1858 Treaty of Tientsin. The treaty opened new ports to trade and allowed foreigners to travel in the interior. Christians gained the right to propagate their religion—another means of Western penetration. The United States and Russia later obtained the same prerogatives in separate treaties.
Toward the end of the nineteenth century, China appeared on the way to territorial dismemberment and economic vassalage—the fate of India’s rulers that played out much earlier. Several provisions of these treaties caused long-standing bitterness and humiliation among the Chinese: extra-territoriality (meaning that in a dispute with a Chinese person, a Westerner had the right to be tried in a court under the laws of his own country), customs regulation, and the right to station foreign warships in Chinese waters.
The rise of Japan since the Meiji Restoration as an imperial power led to further subjugation of China. In a dispute over China's longstanding claim of suzerainty in Korea, war broke out between China and Japan, resulting in humiliating defeat for the Chinese. By the Treaty of Shimonoseki (1895), China was forced to recognise effective Japanese rule of Korea and Taiwan was ceded to Japan until its recovery in 1945 at the end of the WWII by the Republic of China.
China's defeat at the hands of Japan was another trigger for future aggressive actions by Western powers. In 1897, Germany demanded and was given a set of exclusive mining and railroad rights in Shandong province. Russia obtained access to Dairen and Port Arthur and the right to build a railroad across Manchuria, thereby achieving complete domination over a large portion of northwestern China. The United Kingdom and France also received a number of concessions. At this time, much of China was divided up into "spheres of influence": Germany dominated Jiaozhou (Kiaochow) Bay, Shandong, and the Huang He (Hwang-Ho) valley; Russia dominated the Liaodong Peninsula and Manchuria; the United Kingdom dominated Weihaiwei and the Yangtze Valley; and France dominated the Guangzhou Bay and several other southern provinces.
China continued to be divided up into these spheres until the United States, which had no sphere of influence, grew alarmed at the possibility of its businessmen being excluded from Chinese markets. In 1899, Secretary of State John Hay asked the major powers to agree to a policy of equal trading privileges. In 1900, several powers agreed to the U.S.-backed scheme, giving rise to the "Open Door" policy, denoting freedom of commercial access and non-annexation of Chinese territory. In any event, it was in the European powers' interest to have a weak but independent Chinese government. The privileges of the Europeans in China were guaranteed in the form of treaties with the Qing government. In the event that the Qing government totally collapsed, each power risked losing the privileges that it already had negotiated.
The erosion of Chinese sovereignty contributed to a spectacular anti-foreign outbreak in June 1900, when the "Boxers" (properly the society of the "righteous and harmonious fists") attacked European legations in Beijing, provoking a rare display of unity among the powers, whose troops landed at Tianjin and marched on the capital. British and French forces looted, plundered and burned the Old Summer Palace to the ground for the second time (the first time being in 1860, following the Second Opium War), as a form of threat to force the Qing empire to give in to their demands. German forces were particularly severe in exacting revenge for the killing of their ambassador, while Russia tightened its hold on Manchuria in the northeast until its crushing defeat by Japan in the war of 1904-1905.
Although extra-territorial jurisdiction was abandoned by the United Kingdom and the United States in 1943, foreign political control of parts of China only finally ended with the incorporation of Hong Kong and the small Portuguese territory of Macau into the People's Republic of China in 1997 and 1999 respectively.

everyone knows this shameful period of china .but why are we still speaking chinese?we never stop fighting in that tough time.it reminds us make china stronger.what's india's answer to that history?china is your biggest threat.......

 

[grey boy 2]

since you don't know history....i ve posted your imperial history in my above post......please read before posting......oops chinese don't read english!!!!!! am sorry

Oh, please, now you want to talk about 16 century?

BTW, were India part of it? Guess not?

Will it be better to talk about 1962 China-Indo war?

Thanks for inviting China for a nice cake walk!! HAHAHA

 

[graphican]

of course, there are many Muslims in the Indian army, who thinks they are first Indian, before Muslims.

This seems to be a wishful thinking. Muslims believe to be tied with Muslim Ummah First. See Muslims pools conducted anywhere in the world.

UK Muslims: http://news.bbc.co.uk

British , French, German Muslims: http://www.politics.ie

Muslims in General: http://www.diplomaticourier.org

Regarding "many Muslims in Indian Army", there are 3% Muslims in whole Indian Army. Now how many out of 3% think they are Indian First and Muslims Second?

Reference URL: http://www.anindianmuslim.com

 

[EjazR]

Indian first? muslim first?

Well do we belong to our mum or our dad first? Being Indian and being Muslim there is no conflict between the two. It is childish to insist on one or the other. Being Indian and being muslims are two parts of my makeup just as I belong to my mum and dad.

The constitution of India that guarantees religious freedom means that India is Dar-ul-aman. Therefore muslims are obligated by their religion to defend their country if anyone attacks it - even if they are muslims - as they have a covenant in the form of the constitution.

This applies to muslims living in any other country. If the American constitution / law allows freedom of religion, and he is a citizen of America. He is obligated to defend his country against aggression as well. Of course, if a country DOES NOT provide freedom of religion, then there is a problem. But there are hardly any countries that do not provide this. (ironically China is one such country)

If militant come across the border in Kashmir to kill civilians or politicians and a Muslim soldier in the Indian army fights against them to protect his countrymen and dies in the process he is shaheed. These militants are doing this even when freedom of religion is guaranteed. So obviously its not a Jihad but a political fight. Believe me even if India or IA becomes Muslim majority, it would still be the same situation. Except there would be some new reason to fight then.


Ofcourse as a muslim I care about muslims around the world for their well being. Infact I care for all the humans around the world, including non-muslims.

In case you didnt know, the word ummah by definition means ALL people from the time of prophet muhammad (SAW) till the last person. And that includes muslims and non-muslims. So when we make dua for ummat-e-muhammad, that includes non-muslims as well.

 

[graphican]

Indian first? muslim first? Well do we belong to our mum or our dad first?

This is what Zakir Niak Said. I accept that. So every Muslim in India should identify himself a Muslim and Indian and so they should associate themselves with Ummah as much as they do with India. Right?

 

[EagleEyes]

if they dont want to live there they can sell the land and can go to pakistan.....but the land belongs to indialol:

The land belongs to Kashmir state, not India. India simply has the illegitimate occupation over the land of Kashmir. Why should we accept people of Kashmir? Why should they leave their state? Because India occupies their state? No.