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During the 90s at the height of the struggle in Kashmir, a Western media crew was interviewing Mr. Vajpaeey and questioned him on the failure of the Indian army to control the freedom movement.
In a knee jerk reaction, Mr. Vajpaeey quipped, "If the army fails, we will send in the navy".!!!! Suffice to say, you people need to do your home work before ranting friviously.
 
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The Kashmir issue is a British failure. Where ever the Brits looted they left the place with boder disputes. Kashmir, Guiana, Africa, Abu Musa, Tunb, Lesser (UAE/Iran) to name a few.
 
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Because they don't trust your security forces, period. This is the reason we can't blame mujahideens for every single inciddent .. why not RAW or Indian security forces in IOK.

I have shared my views about why not RAW or Indian Forces...You can go through them if you feel like...As far as they don't trust our security forces is concerned that's just BS....If you would have used your immense knowledge about Kashmir and its politics(the way you are claiming by saying Kashmiri's don't want to be with India) you would have cracked this simple thing that taking help from Indian security Forces will dillute their stand....I mean on what basis will they fight against their cause when they themselves are using Indian forces for their OWN SECURITY...That's why i said i can understand they not taking help from our security but they can hire some private security personnels...


Not contrversial at all my friend ... Kashmiris see India as an occupying force so anybody working with the occupying force is not so important. On the other hand someone protesting against the occupation and then gettting shot and killed for that has far more respect.

Really??? Its easy to send those advices across the border from a safe room on internet....If you really believe in this than why don't you come and help your brother's against the occupying forces?? Those who are dying ask their relatives what are their stands on this....Anyways its off topic but just for the record the same Kashmir who you are claiming sees India as an occupying force voted in the elections with a percentage of 65% much more than what same indians do in financial capital mumbai or for that matter our capital delhi....
Bottom line Kashmiris don't want to be a part of India.
Thats your opinion and you are entitled for it...As far as the current topic is concerned watch my next post...

Regards
 
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We can’t imagine of hurting anyone: Geelani

In the wake of attack on moderate separatist leader Fazal Haq Qureshi, the hardline Hurriyat Conference today said it had no control over any militant outfit operating in Jammu and Kashmir.

“We have no control over any militant outfit. We don’t have any ill-will against anybody and cannot even imagine of hurting anyone,” Syed Ali Geelani, chairman of the hardline faction of the Hurriyat Conference, told a rally here.

“We are not involved in provocative statements. We only speak the truth,” he said apparently referring to the statement of the moderate Hurriyat Conference, led by Mirwaiz Umer Farooq, blaming the attack on “irresponsible utterances“.

“We even restrict people from making provocative slogans against India,” Mr. Geelani said.

However, the Hurriyat hawk said “if somebody gets angry over the policy of those ready to hold talks with New Delhi, what can we do?”

Mr. Qureshi, a moderate face of the separatists, was shot at by militants of Al-Nasreen outfit outside a mosque here on Friday evening in what is seen as an attempt to sabotage the talks.

The Al-Nasreen is believed to be a front of Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba.


The Hindu : News / National : We can’t imagine of hurting anyone: Geelani


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Now when hurriyat leaders themselves are not blaiming Indian forces or RAW for this unfortunate incident i just fail to understand why my Pakistani friends here are hell bent on forming a relation...A guy was shot who if media reports are found to be true was a pinnacle in the current silent diplomacy that new delhi is pursuing...thus making it counter-productive for GOI-RAW to kill him....A terrrorist Organization claiming the reponsibility....HUrriyat leaders themselves pointing towards Millitants...Aren't these things enough???
 
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Finally some good news in this regard...

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Qureshi’s condition improving


Fazal Haque Qureshi, one of the seven executive members of the Hurriyat Conference (Moderate), was on Monday taken off the ventilator as his condition improved.

Mr. Qureshi, chairman of the People’s Political Front and former Al-Fateh member, was attacked by unidentified assailants on Friday outside his house on outskirts of the city.

“He was taken off the ventilator this morning [Monday] as he showed slight improvement,” medical superintendent at the Sher-e-Kashmir Medical Institute of Sciences Syed Amin Tabish said.

The Hindu : States / Other States : Qureshi’s condition improving
 
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BBC News - Kashmir conflict 'unfinished business'

The Kashmir insurgency - one of the world's longest-running conflicts - began 20 years ago this week. And it was the shockwave from the fall of the Berlin Wall that gave young Kashmiris the confidence to take on the Indian state, the BBC's David Loyn says.

Simmering discontent over this unfinished business left over from the partition of India in 1947 turned into a full-scale insurgency after the kidnap of Rubiya Sayeed, the daughter of the Indian home minister, on 8 December 1989.

She was released a few days later in exchange for five militants held in an Indian jail.

A police crackdown on victory celebrations was the spark that lit the fuse of the conflict.

One of the militants who took up the gun that week, Mukhtar Baba, said that he and his friends had the confidence to take on India because of events in Europe.

"The German people stood up against that man-made Berlin wall, so we thought why don't we, and we started that armed struggle here," he says.

The then chief minister of Indian-administered Kashmir, Farooq Abdullah, says he saw the trouble coming.

"It was not only the Berlin Wall, I think the main thing was the Russian defeat in Afghanistan. They felt if a power like Russia can be thrown out, why not India," he says.

He addressed a packed public meeting to try to warn Kashmiris of what was to come.

"I told them, 'what you are doing is wrong. It will not lead you to any place other than the destruction of our state; our houses will go; our villages will be blown up; innocent people will die; many of our womenfolk will be raped and murdered'," Mr Abdullah says.

Differing goals

Twenty years on, there are no reliable estimates of the number of people killed, but it is generally believed to be upwards of 50,000.

The Kashmiri-based International People's Tribunal on Human Rights has recently called for a thorough investigation of mass graves of bodies buried by Indian security forces.

The Indian government has rejected the findings, but the head of the research group, Khurram Parvez, says that much still has to be revealed. He has estimated that one in 10 people living in the Kashmir valley has been tortured.

From the beginning there were differing goals for those who took up the gun.

Some wanted Pakistan to take over all of the original state of Kashmir, but most wanted unification of the two wings of the original state in a separate new independent country.

Global jihad

As the insurgency ground on, from the mid-1990s the Indian state faced a new threat. Among the Kashmiri youths coming across the Line of Control after training on the Pakistani side were battle-hardened Islamist warriors who had come to fight a jihad. They were Arabs, Afghans and Pakistanis.

I met some in Indian custody in 1994, including the alleged military commander of a new guerrilla group - the Harkat ul-Ansar. His name was Sajjad Afghani - (Sajjad "the Afghan"), and he proved to have a very limited political agenda.

He was fighting not for Pakistani control of Kashmir but for a global jihad.

We did not know it then, but this kind of thinking was about to take centre stage in world politics.

So while the fighting in Indian-administered Kashmir may have been inspired by the end of the Cold War, it provides a direct link with the new conflicts of the 21st Century.

Big change

Pakistan's repeated and strong denials that they backed militant training camps were rejected by the incoming administration of US President Bill Clinton in 1993, who demanded that the camps should close, threatening to put Pakistan on the list of "state sponsors of international terrorism".

Conveniently enough, the chaos of the civil war in Afghanistan meant that the camps should be shifted there, and when Osama Bin Laden reappeared in the region in 1996 he was given control of some of this training.

Retired Gen Afsar Karim, one of India's leading defence analysts, says that this development was the most threatening aspect of the Kashmir conflict.

"It is not a battle between Kashmiri independence and India, but between the secular forces of India and the fundamentalist forces which are wanting to get hold of the Kashmir valley."


The war has seen a big change in Kashmiri society. There is a new seriousness of intent in Islamic practice here in a place once famous for more tolerant liberal ways.

A women's movement, the Dukhtaran-e-Millat (Daughters of the Faith), holds classes to try to change the ways of Kashmiri women to a more rigorous lifestyle including covering every part of their body.

Their fundamentalist world view includes a demand for Pakistan to control all of Kashmir. They also believe that 9/11 was an attack carried out by America on itself.

One of their leading members Naheeda Nasreem, dressed all in black, including black gloves, says: "Is there any proof it was done by any Muslim? We think it might have been done by them. The Taliban and other forces are working at the behest of America and Israel. Why are the Taliban terrorising Pakistan? This is only on at the behest of America. They sent some people dressed as Muslims."

'Sky's limit'

Most of the original militant groups have turned away from violence. They are waiting for the result of a peace process that has been called "quiet diplomacy" backed by US President Barack Obama.

Both Pakistan and India now appear ready to compromise. On a recent trip to Srinagar, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh told a secessionist politician that - apart from the border itself - anything could be negotiated.

"The sky's the limit," he said.

There is some impatience for progress, and the Chairman of the Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front, Yasin Malik, warns that if there is no progress, then it will be hard to stop young Kashmiris from returning to violence.

He has tried to lead a path of non-violent resistance, but knows of the impatience of Kashmiris for a settlement.

"For God's sake, don't give our next generation a sense of defeat. If you are giving them a sense of defeat you are pushing them for another revolution," Yasin Malik says.
 
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SRINAGAR: The authorities in Indian-administered Kashmir placed a number of top separatists under house arrest Thursday in a bid to derail planned protest rallies marking World Human Rights Day.

‘We have placed some separatist leaders under house arrest to prevent any law and order problem,’ a senior police officer told AFP.

Among those confined to their homes were the moderate separatist leader Mirwaiz Umar Farooq and his two senior colleagues Shabir Shah and Naeem Khan.

They had planned to hold a rally in Srinagar to protest against alleged human rights violations by Indian troops in the Muslim-majority Kashmir Valley.

‘We are not even being allowed to carry out peaceful protests,’ Farooq said.

The presence of Indian soldiers in Kashmir has long been a major source of tension in the region where a 20-year insurgency against Indian rule has claimed at least 47,000 lives.

Human rights groups put the toll at 70,000 dead and missing.

The scenic region is divided between India and Pakistan, but claimed by both.

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Thanks and keep doing that. It helps the Kashmiri cause.
 
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The naxialites will tare your article 370 to shreds. You have your army in the wrong state you need it in the seven sisters, and your eastern states where you are turning a blind eye ti events taking place sooner or later you will need your troop in these other 'affected' areas and you will then beg Pakistan not to invade kashmir while you sort out your other insurgencies but you will then find many kashmirs in your heartlands. You cant stop a region or state succeeding just because you have an article in your constitution that forbids it if the people want out they will find a way out.
 
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The Kashmir issue is a British failure. Where ever the Brits looted they left the place with boder disputes. Kashmir, Guiana, Africa, Abu Musa, Tunb, Lesser (UAE/Iran) to name a few.

No, it is an Indo-Pak failure.

Both parties to the dispute, India and Pakistan, and the international community after all agreed on the principle of resolving the dispute - a plebiscite held under the UN to allow the Kashmiris to choose between the two nations.

It was nitpicking over trivial issues and the lack of political will (and a hard-line Indian position and set of opinions that sees kashmiris choosing Pakistan in such a plebiscite) that has not allowed for that solution to be implemented.

The British have no blame in India and Pakistan not coming to an agreement on holding a plebiscite in J&K.
 
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If you could kindly provide the links to the articles you are talking about, I could educate my poor self of the spread of naxals to "23" out of 28 indian states.

Oh my!you don't need to be so hasty.may be you could enlighten me by giving references.

If you are that keen, then why not prove your worth, there are only about four Sundays in a month, you will perhaps need to dig for no more than say 40 Sunday Telegraphs.
It's a small effort considering you need both educating and enlightening.
 
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Both Pakistan and India now appear ready to compromise. On a recent trip to Srinagar, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh told a secessionist politician that - apart from the border itself - anything could be negotiated.

There are three different stake holders - Kashmiris, Pakistan and India

Borders will have to change (don't know to what extent) but this change will need to take place.

Indian PM should prepare everyday Indians about the change instead of trying to negotiate with the Kashmiris.

40 people get killed in AP and a new state is formed. 50,000 plus Kashmiris have been killed by the Indian authorities and yet no solution to the Kashmir issue.

40 people get killed in AP and a new state is formed. 5000 plus??? Muslims are killed in Babri Masjid riots and the Indian Parliament can't even book a case against Advani

40 people get killed in AP and a new state is formed. Thousands of Muslims killed in Gujrat but Modi is still the CM.

These are facts which Indians should realize so that they can understand the reason behind Kashmir issue.
 
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Both Pakistan and India now appear ready to compromise. On a recent trip to Srinagar, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh told a secessionist politician that - apart from the border itself - anything could be negotiated.

There are three different stake holders - Kashmiris, Pakistan and India

Borders will have to change (don't know to what extent) but this change will need to take place.

Indian PM should prepare everyday Indians about the change instead of trying to negotiate with the Kashmiris.

40 people get killed in AP and a new state is formed. 50,000 plus Kashmiris have been killed by the Indian authorities and yet no solution to the Kashmir issue.

40 people get killed in AP and a new state is formed. 5000 plus??? Muslims are killed in Babri Masjid riots and the Indian Parliament can't even book a case against Advani

40 people get killed in AP and a new state is formed. Thousands of Muslims killed in Gujrat but Modi is still the CM.

These are facts which Indians should realize so that they can understand the reason behind Kashmir issue.

Dude I am for Kashmir settlement, but mark my words the LOC will never change. Anyone who tries to do that we face stiff resistance from within India and hence this will never happen.
 
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Dude I am for Kashmir settlement, but mark my words the LOC will never change. Anyone who tries to do that we face stiff resistance from within India and hence this will never happen.

Then how can you be in favor of 'settlement' of the dispute? If the status quo was the settlement then we would not be arguing over it still.

If Indian attitudes are standing in the way of a settlement then Indians need to change their attitudes.
 
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Then how can you be in favor of 'settlement' of the dispute? If the status quo was the settlement then we would not be arguing over it still.

If Indian attitudes are standing in the way of a settlement then Indians need to change their attitudes.

AM you are missing my point, their is my POV and their is GOI's POV you are mixing the two. I favor settlement, but in reality people will not allow to change border.
 
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