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Sameer Rah was beaten by Indian paramilitaries and flung into a poison ivy bush. The hopes of 2007 seem a world away.

A few days back I travelled to Batamaloo neighbourhood in Srinagar, the capital city of Indian-controlled Kashmir. Coils of barbed wire blocked the desolate roads; thousands of Indian soldiers patrolled the streets to enforce a strict military curfew. I couldn't reach the man I wanted to meet and finally managed to speak to him on the phone.

On 2 August Fayaz Rah, a 39-year-old fruit vendor from Batamaloo, had lunch with his wife and three children. Outside, Indian troops enforced the curfew. Yet the children would find a clearing or a courtyard to play cricket or imitate the adults and raise a slogan for Kashmir's independence from India. His youngest son, eight-year-old Sameer, took two rupees for pocket money from his father and stepped out to join his friends near his uncle's house.

Young Sameer walked into a lane and impulsively shouted a few slogans for Kashmir's independence. He didn't realise a group of Indian paramilitaries was around. They caught the eight-year-old and beat him with bamboo sticks, some blows striking his head. They then threw the boy into a clump of poison ivy bushes, but a crowd gathered. The paramilitaries called a police truck, which drove Sameer to the nearby hospital. Meanwhile, police and paramilitaries teargassed the crowd.

"Someone told me that a child has been killed," said Fayaz. He called a friend in the local police and mentioned that his son, who had left home wearing a yellow T-shirt, had not returned. His friend arrived at his door with an ambulance. "I saw my boy on the ventilator," Fayaz sighed. Doctors tried for hours to revive him, but couldn't save Sameer. "There is no justice in Kashmir," Fayaz told me. "Now the police claim my son died in a stampede."

It is getting harder to keep track of the deaths. In recent years, the hot guerrilla war over the region that began in 1990 first gave way to a cold peace, then, in the past two years, waves of mass protests. The summer of 2008 saw the biggest demonstrations for Kashmir's independence from India in two decades; they were put down by force, with 60 deaths and more than 500 injuries. In the past three months, Indian forces have killed 106 Kashmiri protesters and bystanders, mostly teenagers.

The current fighting broke out as a protest against the killing of a 17-year-old student, Tufail Mattoo, in Srinagar. He was returning home from tuition and was hit by a teargas shell the police fired to disperse a crowd that had gathered to protest at another death. The situation has produced a Palestinian-style intifada in which young boys battle Indian troops with stones, and the soldiers shoot to kill.

India, meanwhile, continues to garrison half a million soldiers in Kashmir, nearly three times the number of American troops in Iraq at the peak of the occupation. India's half-century-old Armed Forces Special Powers Act, which was extended to Kashmir in 1990, gives troops the legal authority to shoot any person they suspect of being a threat, and guarantees immunity from prosecution. To bring a soldier before a civilian court requires the permission of India's home ministry; more than 400 such cases are still waiting for it.

In the absence of justice, or any progress in the negotiations between India and Pakistan over the region's future, despair in Kashmir has grown. Walls all over the region are painted with slogans: We Want Freedom! India, Go Back! Protesters are killed, and with every death more protests follow. The number of injured is believed to have risen to more than 1,000.

Hospitals have been facing a serious shortage of medicines and the impossibility of conducting various medical tests that depend on private pharmacies and medical facilities. Many doctors aren't able to reach hospitals. Over the weekend Dr Bashir Chapoo, a senior eye surgeon, told me that the troops hadn't let him travel to his hospital in central Srinagar for more than a week. Seventeen of his patients had pellets stuck in their eyes. I called him yesterday. "I am still stuck at home. Most of my patients have left the hospital now. I have no idea where they are," Dr Chapoo said. Two had already lost their eyesight.

The military curfew continues with a few hours break once a week. The usual bustle of Kashmiri mornings has been replaced by an eerie silence; my street belongs to stray dogs and chirping birds. The morning papers stopped publishing after the troops attacked the newsagents. It is a world away from the hopeful spring of 2007, when back-channel talks between Indian and Pakistan diplomats – encouraged by Manmohan Singh, India's prime minister, and Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan's president – seemed to be close to bearing fruit. The solution they had agreed on would have resulted in a largely autonomous Kashmir with soft borders between the Indian- and Pakistani-controlled regions, and the gradual demilitarisation of Kashmir. But the talks lost steam when Musharraf lost power, and broke down after the 2008 attacks on Mumbai, orchestrated by Pakistani militants.

Mirwaiz Umar Farooq – head of the All Parties Hurriyat (Freedom) Conference, a coalition of separatist groups – championed the peace talks without any results. But now such moderates find themselves marginalised. The influence of the separatist hardliner Syed Ali Shah Geelani has risen; he is now viewed as the most substantial powerbroker in the region. The only lull in the recent protests occurred when he appealed to the protesters to stay home.

After several high-profile meetings last week, Singh's government rejected even moderate demands such as repealing the Armed Forces Special Powers Act – even though a committee set up by Singh four years ago recommended doing so. Scaling back troops from residential areas wasn't even discussed.


The Indian government did, however, despatch a delegation of parliamentarians to Kashmir for a fact-finding mission. The group arrived at Geelani's Srinagar home on Monday afternoon, accompanied by scores of television crews. The Kashmiri leader enumerated his preconditions for peace talks: New Delhi should accept Kashmir as a dispute, free Kashmiri political prisoners, and withdraw its troops. Soldiers guilty of civilian killings must be punished, and their blanket protection withdrawn. India is not willing to concede any of these demands, but the meeting provides at least a sliver of hope that the conversations so close to producing results three years ago might begin again.

What the Singh government does next will be its big test. Various analysts and political figures have suggested unconditional, result-oriented talks with the Kashmiris and a revival of the dialogue with Pakistan. It may well be the only way to save Kashmir – and India itself – from future calamities.

There's way too much propaganda here, which is a complete turn off.
 
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'Azadi for us means an end to repressive military rule in Valley' - The Times of India


NEW DELHI: A cross section of Delhi's civil society and women activists listened in stunned silence as Parweena Ahangar, a middle-aged Kashmiri woman, narrated the torment of a mother whose son "disappeared" 20 years ago. It's believed that he was killed by security forces. Parweena mentioned her son only once. After that she wept for dozens of others, naming them and describing the circumstances of their disappearance. Parweena is in Delhi with a group of Kashmiri women to narrate the horrors of a society at war, and to make another attempt to seek justice. It's a diverse group including university and school teachers, a hospital worker, a journalist and some housewives. They have been invited here by Women's Initiative for Peace in South Asia (WISPA).


Hameedah Nayeem, a professor at Srinagar University, in a counterpoint to Parweena's choking grief, provides the context in staccato objectivity. She says that the current protests that started four months ago are peaceful. ''Protesters throw stones only after police firing or if a woman's modesty is attacked, like security men forcibly snatching away the head-dress, as often happens,'' she says.

Explaining what ''azadi'' — a slogan voiced routinely in the Valley — means, Nayeem says it means getting rid of the armed forces and their repression, and also, the establishment of democracy.

''In Delhi, you can't understand what it means to live with the military for 20 years. They have taken over all the public space — schools, roads, hospitals, cinemas, everything. They can hold up anyone, enter anyone's house do anything that they feel like,'' she says. According to Nayeem, the military has taken over one million ''kanals'' of land legally and another 2 million illegally in the Valley. ''This has destroyed the normal vocations of thousands of people,'' she says.


The women from Kashmir silently weep as Parweena recounts the chilling story of 8-year old Samir Khan who was going to his uncle's house one afternoon and disappeared. His mutilated body was found the next day in the river. Investigations showed that his frail body had been crushed by boots and a metal rod inserted into his mouth. ''Why is the government honouring policemen who are responsible for killing thousands in Kashmir?'' she asks.


Parweena formed the Association of Parents of Disappeared Persons (APDP) to fight for investigation of all cases of what she calls ''enforced disappearance''. According to her, over 8,000 cases of such disappearance are recorded. In many cases investigations have been done and guilty persons from security forces identified. ''But, we have to run from pillar to post trying to get somebody to hear our sorrow,'' she says. The delegation presented a set of demands to home secretary G K Pillai, which included getting women involved in the peace process, demilitarization, withdrawal of AFSPA and PSA, release of imprisoned youth, prosecution of errant security personnel etc.


Whether it is the agony of Parweena Ahangar or the cold objectivity of Hameedah Nayeem, the message from the women of Kashmir is loud and clear — they will continue the struggle for justice and peace, and for end of what they call military rule in Kashmir. ''It's an oath we have taken in the name of Allah. We will not give up,'' says Parweena softly.

This article is more balanced. It is from intellectuals like University professors. That carries a lot of weight. Delhi MUST listen to such people. Intellectuals make the backbone of a society.
 
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Few hours ago terrorist Indians army killed 8 more teenagers how long we'll see this terrorism of IA, these kids shud have AK's for self defense not just stones. :angry:

oops... Your own media is calling these 8 as militants..
DAWN.COM | World | Eight militants killed in battles in Indian Kashmir

I think you are getting confused with another video on the net that is showing unarmed teenagers being shot after being blind folded and tied. The army in question there was centrainly not Indian.
 
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Yes kill her. Burn her house. Kill all males in her house. R@pe all the young females in her family.

She is committing a very big crime. Throwing stones.


Were you in Dhaka just before it got Liberated?
 
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why these indian do not WANT to understand and are not willing to understand what kashmiri people want,killing them,using tremendous power,against innocent people,and in this thread they are trying to justify that what indian army is doing is right.please for Gode sake,if anyone is doing anything wrong just say that its wrong ,even it is ur country,s army or politician,cruelity is cruelity,supperession is supperession, how can u deny that,,this is an open question to indian members on this forum,,,,,
 
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why these indian do not WANT to understand and are not willing to understand what kashmiri people want,killing them,using tremendous power,against innocent people,and in this thread they are trying to justify that what indian army is doing is right.please for Gode sake,if anyone is doing anything wrong just say that its wrong ,even it is ur country,s army or politician,cruelity is cruelity,supperession is supperession, how can u deny that,,this is an open question to indian members on this forum,,,,,

I assume its an honest question so will try and answer accordingly

Its all about perspective. From some people's perspective, what India is doing in Kashmir may be wrong but for a lot of people it is not. For most citizens of India, the armed forces are doing their best to minimize collateral damage in a highly restive area which is a target of Pakistan sponsored insurgency and terrorism.

Its just like, if you will ask a TTP sympb thoughathiser or a BLA cadre, he will find faults with Pakistani Army ops in KP region. Wont stop the army from doing its jo

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why these indian do not WANT to understand and are not willing to understand what kashmiri people want,killing them,using tremendous power,against innocent people,and in this thread they are trying to justify that what indian army is doing is right.please for Gode sake,if anyone is doing anything wrong just say that its wrong ,even it is ur country,s army or politician,cruelity is cruelity,supperession is supperession, how can u deny that,,this is an open question to indian members on this forum,,,,,

btw, just 4 posts in 3 years??
 
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The CRPF has it's own guns ready to shoot down kids whenever they throw stones in IOK. 100 + youth killed in past three months is an example. As far as Hyderabad is concern, 80 people might have killed in Hyderabad, but IOK's issue is different from hyderabad or andhrapardesh. They want freedom from illegitimate Indian occupation which might not be the case in Hyderabad.

From the CRPF perspective... both are internal security issues and they are dealt with in a similar manner. Any protest which turns violent with potential to damage public property or cause harm to other people are dealt with in the same manner.
 
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Few hours ago terrorist Indians army killed 8 more teenagers how long we'll see this terrorism of IA, these kids shud have AK's for self defense not just stones. :angry:

These types of news makes me mad.........

this evil Bharti terrorist army should be nuked immediately.

what if those poor teenagers had AK 47 or some RPG with them, That doesnot give rite to Bhartis to violate human rites.

RIP Freedom fighters
 
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These types of news makes me mad.........

this evil Bharti terrorist army should be nuked immediately.

what if those poor teenagers had AK 47 or some RPG with them, That doesnot give rite to Bhartis to violate human rites.

RIP Freedom fighters

Were these 8 "Freedom Fighters" included in the tally of 42 you gave this morning?? If not, October has opened up with a big number in a single day..
 
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General Hameed Gul humiliates the treaches barat verma. barat verma confused and trying to deceive as its his and indian nature but in front of the truth of Hameed Gul his falsehood get destroyed crushed and humiliated

you can see from the tone and attitude of barat verma that he is a LIAR

WHEN THE TRUTH IS AGAINST THE FALSEHOOD THE FALSEHOOD GETS DESTROYED AS THE FALSEHOOD IS BOUND TO BE DESTROYED










nail in the coffin...:sniper::sniper::sniper:


:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:
 
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General Hameed Gul humiliates the treaches barat verma. barat verma confused and trying to deceive as its his and indian nature but in front of the truth of Hameed Gul his falsehood get destroyed crushed and humiliated

you can see from the tone and attitude of barat verma that he is a LIAR

WHEN THE TRUTH IS AGAINST THE FALSEHOOD THE FALSEHOOD GETS DESTROYED AS THE FALSEHOOD IS BOUND TO BE DESTROYED


















nail in the coffin...:sniper::sniper::sniper:


:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:
 
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Awesome ,excellent,magnificient.....

But you know what Kashmir is still with India. :wave:

Lol if Kashmir is still part of India then why we see Azad Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan in Pakistan and why Askai Chin is contolled by China....Out of 222,000 km teritorry India has just got 100,000 sq km while Pakistan and China controlled the remaining Kashmir.
Lol don't always beleive on the map shown by Indian books. Open your eyes and see the reality.
 
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Lol if Kashmir is still part of India then why we see Azad Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan in Pakistan and why Askai Chin is contolled by China....Out of 222,000 km teritorry India has just got 100,000 sq km while Pakistan and China controlled the remaining Kashmir.
Lol don't always beleive on the map shown by Indian books. Open your eyes and see the reality.

u didnt understand his post.;););)
 
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