‘Kashmir can go to Pakistan’ : Sardar Patel

[Hope4btr]

There can't be a one way deal.

If Pakistan is illegally occupying Kashmir because of the Maharaja, then India must also hand over to Pakistan the lost occupied territories of Hyderabad, Junagrh, and West Bengal (which was Muslim majority pre-1947).

And I would share an info about hyderabad. It was not a muslim majority state prior to 1947. It was Hindu dominated state but ruled by Muslims subjects of the Nawab. During the period of 1947-1948, muslim population rose due to influx of muslims from riot-rife areas, but were never the majority, not even now. Please , for argument sake, lets not distort history and facts.

 

[Icewolf]

And I would share an info about hyderabad. It was not a muslim majority state prior to 1947. It was Hindu dominated state but ruled by Muslims subjects of the Nawab. During the period of 1947-1948, muslim population rose due to influx of muslims from riot-rife areas, but were never the majority, not even now. Please , for argument sake, lets not distort history and facts.

It was Hindu majority with a Musim king just like Kashmir was Muslim majority with a Hindu king.

 

[Hope4btr]

Buddy thats why I say to never keep your textbooks in mind when arriving on PDF.
Hyderabad sultan wanted to acede with Pakistan, it was when Indian troops marched in Hyderabad that he surrendered, just like the Maharaja of Kashmir.
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No, I never read that in a textbook published by Indian government. Back in my college days even, I never mugged for the sake of it. What I am saying are facts. If you have actually known, the troop marched in hyderabad after the Sultan acceeded to India. I am sorry, i cannot write entire flow of events here. Its tiring. Anyways, as I said, read from credible authors and historians from around the world rather than gossips and propaganda. For instance,I know about Sir Zafrullah Khan, a diplomat from Pakistan at UN, who actually had stopped Indian troops from taken over entire Kashmir. Facts are facts and they don't change because of my nationality.

 

[INDIC]

It was Hindu majority with a Musim king just like Kashmir was Muslim majority with a Hindu king.

You were the first one to play the foul game in Hindu majority Junagarh on 14 September 1947.

 

[Hope4btr]

It was Hindu majority with a Musim king just like Kashmir was Muslim majority with a Hindu king.

Self delete

 

[INDIC]

There is a book by a Pakistani bureaucrat who claimed that Patel offered to exchange Hyderabad with Kashmir, but Ghulam Mohammad (governor general) of Pakistan) refused.

this was a fundamental mistake.

It was Liaquat Ali Khan, not Ghulam Muhammad.Sardar Patel offered talks, not exchange. When Liaquat Ali Khan met Sardar Patel after the merger of Junagarh with India he said to Sardar Patel, "Now you have Junagarh on religion basis, then Pakistan should get Kashmir on same basis" Sardar Patel said" Forget Junagarh, let us talk about Hyderabad"

 

[joekrish]

It was Hindu majority with a Musim king just like Kashmir was Muslim majority with a Hindu king.

Now we have both, so what is your point?

 

[Silverblaze]

It was Liaquat Ali Khan, not Ghulam Muhammad.Sardar Patel offered talks, not exchange. When Liaquat Ali Khan met Sardar Patel after the merger of Junagarh with India he said to Sardar Patel, "Now you have Junagarh on religion basis, then Pakistan should get Kashmir on same basis" Sardar Patel said" Forget Junagarh, let us talk about Hyderabad"

No.

It was a pakistani/kashmiris bureaucrat/figher by the name of Sardar Ibrahim who said in his book, that Liaquat Ali Khan the PM blamed the then Finance minister Malik Ghulam ( the later governor general) who refused.

Mr. Patel did offer to exchange Kashmir because the Indian army was stretched in many states and Kashmir was becoming volatile.

The reason Sardar Ibrahim gave was the bribes malik ghulam was getting from the Nizam of Hyderabad in the form of gold bricks.

The indian army captured Hyderabad deccan and ended hopes of any talks.

I should have made my earlier comment more descriptive.

 

[Jackdaws]

Whether or not Kashmir would have acceded to Pakistan eventually is a moot point. What is true is that India was not going to proactively seek to incorporate Kashmir into the Indian Union. Remember in 1947, as Home Minister Sardar Patel was more concerned about the 500 odd princely states within India, not those on India's periphery. After all, India did not bother with Nepal, Bhutan and if I remember correctly till the 1960s, even Sikkim was an independent country. So if Pakistan hadn't jumped the gun, they would probably have got Kashmir.

 

[INDIC]

No.

It was a pakistani/kashmiris bureaucrat/figher by the name of Sardar Ibrahim who said in his book, that Liaquat Ali Khan the PM blamed the then Finance minister Malik Ghulam ( the later governor general) who refused.

Mr. Patel did offer to exchange Kashmir because the Indian army was stretched in many states and Kashmir was becoming volatile.

The reason Sardar Ibrahim gave was the bribes malik ghulam was getting from the Nizam of Hyderabad in the form of gold bricks.

The indian army captured Hyderabad deccan and ended hopes of any talks.

I should have made my earlier comment more descriptive.

Can you suggest me any reading, I want to read that too.

India was not busy in the problem with many states at that time.

 

[JohnyD]

Both Pakistan and Kashmir are panvatis to Asia after British era....Pakistan is widely acknowledged as failed state and Kashmir has just become a status symbol for India...…we are spending more to secure it every year than its gross worth….I don’t understand what Pakistan is going to do with Kashmir….Suggest, better manage to live with what you have than wasting energy and values on what r you supposed to have!

 

[Silverblaze]

Can you suggest me any reading, I want to read that too.

India was not busy in the problem with many states at that time.

It was a Book named Kashmir Saga by Ibrahim Khan if I remember it correctly. It was also discussed in some Pakistani show long time back and it was republished in the 90s.

And that comment about Indian army stretched was from a good analysis long time back it may not necessarily be in the book.

But the offer was made according to this gentleman.

Both Pakistan and Kashmir are panvatis to Asia after British era....Pakistan is widely acknowledged as failed state and Kashmir has just become a status symbol for India...…we are spending more to secure it every year than its gross worth….I don’t understand what Pakistan is going to do with Kashmir….Suggest, better manage to live with what you have than wasting energy and values on what r you supposed to have!

For Pakistan it is of strategic importance since the rivers come from there. Pakistan might not annex it even if India lets it go. Kashmiris might not allow it.

After 1971, Kashmir has become even more important to Pakistani establishment and the rise of Kashmiris to Pakistan's power circles made it a priority. But now it seems it be on a low side.

 

[JohnyD]

It was a Book named Kashmir Saga by Ibrahim Khan if I remember it correctly. It was also discussed in some Pakistani show long time back and it was republished in the 90s.

And that comment about Indian army stretched was from a good analysis long time back it may not necessarily be in the book.

But the offer was made according to this gentleman.



For Pakistan it is of strategic importance since the rivers come from there. Pakistan might not annex it even if India lets it go. Kashmiris might not allow it.

After 1971, Kashmir has become even more important to Pakistani establishment and the rise of Kashmiris to Pakistan's power circles made it a priority. But now it seems it be on a low side.

Pakistan can live happily and prosper if they take more pragmatic approach when dealing with its aspirations towards Indian state J&K….good thing about Pak is, once the issue with India is resolved (Compromised), it will be one of the few countries in the world who will not have any border issues…..so you can live life happily, concentrating on your economy and social developments...which is not the case about India..we wud ve to kill the dragon!

 

[livingdead]

Pakistan can live happily and prosper if they take more pragmatic approach when dealing with its aspirations towards Indian state J&K….good thing about Pak is, once the issue with India is resolved (Compromised), it will be one of the few countries in the world who will not have any border issues…..so you can live life happily, concentrating on your economy and social developments..

I dont think kashmir is a big issue anymore in pakistan, but if we dont take care of kashmiris, it might create headache for us. We need to give genuine autonomy to them and let them solve their own problems.
Apart from defence and economy all should be transferred to them.

 

[JohnyD]

I dont think kashmir is a big issue anymore in pakistan, but if we dont take care of kashmiris, it might create headache for us. We need to give genuine autonomy to them and let them solve their own problems.
Apart from defence and economy all should be transferred to them.

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