Kashmir all-party meet: Modi discusses atrocities in Azad Kashmir, Balochistan

[Crixus]

If a person from Jammu say same for India will stop claming what you are claming here for Kashmir ????

Its a state of Pakistan we dont want independence

 

[Zibago]

Go and google It....

I am from there so you know i kind of know what goes on in AJK

 

[SQ8]

Cry havoc , and let loose the dogs of war...


Just lemme know since I need to sell spare parts.. and to both sides

 

[Zibago]

If a person from Jammu say same for India will stop claming what you are claming here for Kashmir ????

Be ause Jammu,s Muslims population was eliminated and it was replaced by Indian nationals

 

[cerberus]

I am from there so you know i kind of know what goes on in AJK

@SarthakGanguly from Kashmir
So are many pandits in there

Ask them

 

[That Guy]

If situation of East Bangladesh and IOK are same then why no refugee is moving to Pakistani Occupied Kashmir or PAkistan , durin 1971 we have almost 600K refugees ........ why are they not going to a place where they can find what they want ????

I said similar, not the same. Besides, this is only the beginning. If India doesn't act fast to address the situation peacefully, things will escalate to an uncontrollable level.

 

[Joe Shearer]

google.co. IN (India)?? You want me to believe an Indian source? The same India who blatantly ignored 91% of the people's vote and their democratic right and forcefully took over an entire state? Where 91% NINETY ONE PERCENT population didn't want to be with India? Yea, your link is VERY trustworthy.

Care to have ever read the UN resolution? (There were multiple). Here, for your weekend reading and truth seeking if it makes a different. But it won't make a cents worth of difference. You guys are butchering humans and you think because of your trade power, the world should be ok with it. Not sure how you guys sleep as it makes every individual from India part of this. Instead of being a human and raising voice against the genocide of Kashmiris (like the USC professor showed in his study in California)!!

The 6B was created specifically for the Indian military forces and other political people who came to Kashmir because of Maharaja's request and took over the entire state instead of abiding by the democratic process and transferring power per the people!!

Here, the UN resolution for you:

Resolution of 13 August 1948:

1. The question of the accession of the State of Jammu and Kashmir to India or Pakistan will be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite;

2. A plebiscite will be held when it shall be found by the Commission that the cease-fire and truce arrangements set forth in Parts I and II of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948 have been carried out and arrangements for the plebiscite have been completed;

3.
(a) The Secretary-General of the United Nations will, in agreement with the Commission, nominate a Plebiscite Administrator who shall be a personality of high international standing and commanding general confidence. He will be formally appointed to office by the Government of Jammu and Kashmir.

(b) The Plebiscite Administrator shall derive from the State of Jammu and Kashmir the powers he considers necessary for organizing and conducting the plebiscite and for ensuring the freedom and impartiality of the plebiscite.

(c) The Plebiscite Administrator shall have authority to appoint such staff of assistants and observes as he may require.

4.
(a) After implementation of Parts I and II of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948, and when the Commission is satisfied that peaceful conditions have been restored in the State, the Commission and the Plebiscite Administrator will determine, in consultation with the Government of India, the final disposal of Indian and State armed forces, such disposal to be with due regard to the security of the State and the freedom of the plebiscite.

(b) As regards the territory referred to in A.2 of Part II of the resolution of 13 August, final disposal of the armed forces in that territory will be determined by the Commission and the Plebiscite Administrator in consultation with the local authorities.

5. All civil and military authorities within the State and the principal political elements of the State will be required to co-operate with the Plebiscite Administrator in the preparation for the holding of the plebiscite.

6.
(a) All citizens of the State who have left it on account of the disturbances will be invited and be free to return and to exercise all their rights as such citizens. For the purpose of facilitating repatriation there shall be appointed two Commissions, one composed of nominees of India and the other of nominees of Pakistan. The Commission shall operate under the direction of the Plebiscite Administrator. The Governments of India and Pakistan and all authorities within the State of Jammu and Kashmir will collaborate with the Plebiscite Administrator in putting this provision into effect.

(b) All person (other than citizens of the State) who on or since 15 August 1947 have entered it for other than lawful purpose, shall be required to leave the State.

7. All authorities within the State of Jammu and Kashmir will undertake to ensure, in collaboration with the Plebiscite Administrator, that:

(a) There is no threat, coercion or intimidation, bribery or other undue influence on the voters in the plebiscite;

(b) No restrictions are placed on legitimate political activity throughout the State. All subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste or party, shall be safe and free in expressing their views and in voting on the question of the accession of the State to India or Pakistan. There shall be freedom of the press, speech and assembly and freedom of travel in the State, including freedom of lawful entry and exit;

(c) All political prisoners are released;

(d) Minorities in all parts of the State are accorded adequate protection; and

(e) There is no victimization.

8. The Plebiscite Administrator may refer to the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan problems on which he may require assistance, and the Commission may in its discretion call upon the Plebiscite Administrator to carry out on its behalf any of the responsibilities with which it has been entrusted;

9. At the conclusion of the plebiscite, the Plebiscite Administrator shall report the result thereof to the Commission and to the Government of Jammu and Kashmir. The Commission shall then certify to the Security Council whether the plebiscite has or has not been free and impartial;

10. Upon the signature of the truce agreement the details of the foregoing proposals will be elaborated in the consultations envisaged in Part III of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948. The Plebiscite Administrator will be fully associated in these consultations;

Commends the Governments of India and Pakistan for their prompt action in ordering a cease-fire to take effect from one minute before midnight of 1 January 1949, pursuant to the agreement arrived at as provided for by the Commission's Resolution of 13 August 1948; and

Resolves to return in the immediate future to the Sub-continent to discharge the responsibilities imposed upon it by the Resolution of 13 August 1948 and by the foregoing principles.

Yeah, right. Suggestio falsi and suppressio veri, both jostling each other for space.

4.
(a) After implementation of Parts I and II of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948, and when the Commission is satisfied that peaceful conditions have been restored in the State, the Commission and the Plebiscite Administrator will determine, in consultation with the Government of India, the final disposal of Indian and State armed forces, such disposal to be with due regard to the security of the State and the freedom of the plebiscite.

(b) As regards the territory referred to in A.2 of Part II of the resolution of 13 August, final disposal of the armed forces in that territory will be determined by the Commission and the Plebiscite Administrator in consultation with the local authorities.

5. All civil and military authorities within the State and the principal political elements of the State will be required to co-operate with the Plebiscite Administrator in the preparation for the holding of the plebiscite.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/kashmir-...hmir-balochistan.443876/page-31#ixzz4HBPx1WYE

 

[Stephen Cohen]

The More India loudly talks of Balochistan and the " Azad " Kashmir

The more , the Pakistani propoganda on Indian Kashmir will unravel

 

[Zibago]

@SarthakGanguly from Kashmir
So are many pandits in there

Ask them

So you want me to ask a pandot about views of Kashmiri Muslims :-\\ ?

 

[Joe Shearer]

we didn't complain anything about atrocities to East Pakistan .nothing happened to east Pakistan before 25 march 1971- 16 December 1971 like whats happening with Kashmir for decade . so there is no similarities with ''east Pakistan'' and Kashmir . we ourself form Pakistan and join Pakistan with overwhelming support . where Kashmirs annexation to India is controversial . crisis erupt as the west Pakistanis were unwilling to give power to east Pakistanis and allegation of economic disparity between to wings, no way the level of atrocities brutality continuing in Kashmir .

LOL.

Have you no shame?

 

[Viper0011.]

So what does that prove? That the people you sat with had superhuman courtesy and tolerance? Or that your gluteus maximus muscles are tight, ripped constructions of stainless steel?

I stopped reading after the above bad personal jokes, like an old man's fart!! Aww, Joe (Ram, Shankar, Prasad???) Common man? What's up bruh? What's happenin'? I ticked off something and it hurt pretty bad emotonally. I am sawrry . Time heals all damaged rears. Now you are getting personal without even sounding funny, unless all the readers went to the "Global Geek School". So your little personal stuff (or bad jokes?) aren't funny. You've derailed the thread like crazy.

Now the following is the remainder of the example of how garbage writing looks like, by our friend Ram, Shankar, Prasad or Joe??

It is interesting to meet someone who represents no one, but represents the truth. Was it in that capacity that you got to sit in with the UN people?

It would seem that that epiphany has not come your way yet.

Recognisable nonsense. Might one enquire,if it is not too much trouble, which text book are you referring to? You are of course aware of the right-wing overhaul of facts, history, myth and family lineage that took place recently, and you are surely not silly enough to hold that forward as representative of Indian views on the subject.

Any more than I would suspect even the simplest idiot of holding animus against the Pakistanis for believing that the whole of India was to have been partitioned on communal lines, but that this was foiled by the aggression and military actions of the Indian state.

...and the pants come down. There was no vote. There was no provision for popular voting. There were an agglomeration of states with treaty rights, whose rulers were given two choices, and the ruler of one such state having taken his choice.

Look who's lying.


No kidding? That's what the 'stupids' do? Every now and then, your pure-bred (!) American heritage intervenes. It is so enchantingly reminiscent to hear this expression in a gora's mouth.

Every individual human being has a right to determine how he, or she, will be governed. When they exercise it, they accept that they are giving up a portion of their human independence to an anonymous, impersonal entity called the state. When they do that, they also give up the right to determine their own status every hour, on the hour.

A century and a half ago, a congregation of states, each with unique rights and claims to independence, and a record of prior existence before giving up their separate rights to the congregation, came face to face with a situation where some of them wished to part company. That congregation then fought a civil war to enforce the principle that, once determined, the nationality and independence of a constituent state would not be up for auction every now and then.

Perhaps your sitting companions of forty years' of standing, or sitting, might give you a hint which congregation that was. Hint: its flag had 34 - count them, 3 times 10, remember your favourite ten times table? plus 4 - stars and 13 - that's 1 times 10 plus 3 - stripes.

Smells like old fart. What did you eat before you wrote this post. Ohmy God, I am getting ready to throw up. You should have some manners not to fart in front of others this bad!!

You are such a plastic-bottomed fake.

Is this a joke? I get it, I'd have to go to the Geek School of Nerds to understand this. I am sorry, I am a simple guy and went to normal schools. Your bad, sorry as* jokes don't make sense to me. When I start writing computer code, may be I'll start to get those too. So excited (NOT)



@waz @Slav Defence @Irfan Baloch : please clean up this thread. People shiit on it out of emotions and fake patriotism, vs. reading and understanding the truth!!

 

[Joe Shearer]

So you want me to ask a pandot about views of Kashmiri Muslims :-\\ ?

May I request, as a courtesy from ALL Pakistani members, that you are not so blatantly discourteous in representing Indian names and expressions?

It is irritating in the extreme, besides the discourtesy, and especially so when people make such efforts to be accurate themselves.

 

[monitor]

LOL.

Have you no shame?

for what ??

 

[Joe Shearer]

I stopped reading after the above bad personal jokes, like an old man's fart!! Aww, Joe (Ram, Shankar, Prasad???) Common man? What's up bruh? What's happenin'? I ticked off something and it hurt pretty bad emotonally. I am sawrry . Time heals all damaged rears. Now you are getting personal without even sounding funny, unless all the readers went to the "Global Geek School". So your little personal stuff (or bad jokes?) aren't funny. You've derailed the thread like crazy.

Now the following is the remainder of the example of how garbage writing looks like, by our friend Ram, Shankar, Prasad or Joe??

Smells like old fart. What did you eat before you wrote this post. Ohmy God, I am getting ready to throw up. You should have some manners not to fart in front of others this bad!!

Is this a joke? I get it, I'd have to go to the Geek School of Nerds to understand this. I am sorry, I am a simple guy and went to normal schools. Your bad, sorry as* jokes don't make sense to me. When I start writing computer code, may be I'll start to get those too. So excited (NOT)

@waz @Slav Defence @Irfan Baloch : please clean up this thread. People shiit on it out of emotions and fake patriotism, vs. reading and understanding the truth!!

So now, the denouement.

If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. I intend to tag some of the worst Indian and Pakistani offenders against good taste; this post is a benchmark. A loser's guide to getting out of a situation that he can't handle. Replete with smileys, of course.

for what ??

For your utterly tendentious lies.

 

[Viper0011.]

Have you no shame?

That's a question I should be asking you, after reading your posts as you derailed the thread successfully. By the way, the following is the UN resolution ONE more time.

The 6A and B are important. The 6B was created to get the Indian forces and political people out of there. Be sad if you have some humanity after reading the following, and quit derailing the thread.


Resolution of 13 August 1948:

1. The question of the accession of the State of Jammu and Kashmir to India or Pakistan will be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite;

2. A plebiscite will be held when it shall be found by the Commission that the cease-fire and truce arrangements set forth in Parts I and II of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948 have been carried out and arrangements for the plebiscite have been completed;

3.
(a) The Secretary-General of the United Nations will, in agreement with the Commission, nominate a Plebiscite Administrator who shall be a personality of high international standing and commanding general confidence. He will be formally appointed to office by the Government of Jammu and Kashmir.

(b) The Plebiscite Administrator shall derive from the State of Jammu and Kashmir the powers he considers necessary for organizing and conducting the plebiscite and for ensuring the freedom and impartiality of the plebiscite.

(c) The Plebiscite Administrator shall have authority to appoint such staff of assistants and observes as he may require.

4.
(a) After implementation of Parts I and II of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948, and when the Commission is satisfied that peaceful conditions have been restored in the State, the Commission and the Plebiscite Administrator will determine, in consultation with the Government of India, the final disposal of Indian and State armed forces, such disposal to be with due regard to the security of the State and the freedom of the plebiscite.

(b) As regards the territory referred to in A.2 of Part II of the resolution of 13 August, final disposal of the armed forces in that territory will be determined by the Commission and the Plebiscite Administrator in consultation with the local authorities.

5. All civil and military authorities within the State and the principal political elements of the State will be required to co-operate with the Plebiscite Administrator in the preparation for the holding of the plebiscite.

6.
(a) All citizens of the State who have left it on account of the disturbances will be invited and be free to return and to exercise all their rights as such citizens. For the purpose of facilitating repatriation there shall be appointed two Commissions, one composed of nominees of India and the other of nominees of Pakistan. The Commission shall operate under the direction of the Plebiscite Administrator. The Governments of India and Pakistan and all authorities within the State of Jammu and Kashmir will collaborate with the Plebiscite Administrator in putting this provision into effect.

(b) All person (other than citizens of the State) who on or since 15 August 1947 have entered it for other than lawful purpose, shall be required to leave the State.

7. All authorities within the State of Jammu and Kashmir will undertake to ensure, in collaboration with the Plebiscite Administrator, that:

(a) There is no threat, coercion or intimidation, bribery or other undue influence on the voters in the plebiscite;

(b) No restrictions are placed on legitimate political activity throughout the State. All subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste or party, shall be safe and free in expressing their views and in voting on the question of the accession of the State to India or Pakistan. There shall be freedom of the press, speech and assembly and freedom of travel in the State, including freedom of lawful entry and exit;

(c) All political prisoners are released;

(d) Minorities in all parts of the State are accorded adequate protection; and

(e) There is no victimization.

8. The Plebiscite Administrator may refer to the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan problems on which he may require assistance, and the Commission may in its discretion call upon the Plebiscite Administrator to carry out on its behalf any of the responsibilities with which it has been entrusted;

9. At the conclusion of the plebiscite, the Plebiscite Administrator shall report the result thereof to the Commission and to the Government of Jammu and Kashmir. The Commission shall then certify to the Security Council whether the plebiscite has or has not been free and impartial;

10. Upon the signature of the truce agreement the details of the foregoing proposals will be elaborated in the consultations envisaged in Part III of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948. The Plebiscite Administrator will be fully associated in these consultations;

Commends the Governments of India and Pakistan for their prompt action in ordering a cease-fire to take effect from one minute before midnight of 1 January 1949, pursuant to the agreement arrived at as provided for by the Commission's Resolution of 13 August 1948; and

Resolves to return in the immediate future to the Sub-continent to discharge the responsibilities imposed upon it by the Resolution of 13 August 1948 and by the foregoing principles.