Karnataka hijab row.. Asaduddin Owaisi rants against Pakistan

[GumNaam]

true that mujib fell into kgb's bigger game plan. but it was western Pakistani ruling minority elite that created that opportunity now didn't it?

 

[kingQamaR]

your entire argument falls apart on the simple historical fact that the bengali Muslims were the first ones to support Muhammed Ali Jinnah, a nonbengali, on his demand for Pakistan. Pakistan is not a sultanate, the bengali identity could have very easily co-existed with other identities under the greater umbrella of Pakistan just as many identities happily exist today under the greater umbrella of Pakistan and its ideology. east Pakistanis weren't asking for much. Just the preservation of their language and equal representation. In the 24 years of Pakistan's existance up until 1971, nearly 60% of Pakistan's population was bengali and yet, not a single army chief, air force chief or naval chief was ever a bengali. this is just one of the many many glaring mistakes the ruling western minority elite had made. Would've cost us nothing to embrace the east Pakistanis along with their cultural identity as our brothers. But calling them people of "adhaa imaan" (yahya) and "kuttay kay bachay" (bhutto) cost us half the country.

Pakistan refers to the parent country with several major ethnic groups (it was originally West Pakistan). Bangladesh (originally East Pakistan) is almost entirely Bengali in regard to ethnicity and language. It shares no border with Pakistan nor does it share any language or ethnic group. The separation of the two countries did not separate two identical groups of people like the examples named in the question. It separated two groups of people that already struggled to find commonalities with one another due to major differences in language and ethnicity in addition to a 1,000+ km physical distance between the two nations.

Retaining the name East Pakistan wouldn’t make much sense. In the Bengali language the “desh” ending means land so “Bangladesh” means land of the Bengalis. In Urdu and Farsi, “stan” means land, and Pak means pure, so Pakistan means land of the pure. When Bangladesh was a part of Pakistan having a name with Persian or Urdu roots made sense, but since it is almost entirely Bengali speaking now, a name that has roots in the mother tongue of 99% of Bengalis makes more sense.

 

[xeuss]

True but nothing can be analogous to slavery, though Indian Muslims are currently in the same predicament as Jim Crow South and therein is the lesson for them on how African Americans resisted against that and somewhat overcame it.

The African Americans were able to emancipate themselves mainly because there was a large, and growing section of whites that believed that the treatment of the African Americans was wrong and worked with them to pass laws.

In India, we have the total opposite. Hindu society is radicalized to the core and goes to any extent to justify the mistreatment of the Muslims and takes great pleasure in the suffering of the Muslims.

As you probably know, this won't end well for us.

 

[GumNaam]

Pakistan refers to the parent country with several major ethnic groups (it was originally West Pakistan). Bangladesh (originally East Pakistan) is almost entirely Bengali in regard to ethnicity and language. It shares no border with Pakistan nor does it share any language or ethnic group. The separation of the two countries did not separate two identical groups of people like the examples named in the question. It separated two groups of people that already struggled to find commonalities with one another due to major differences in language and ethnicity in addition to a 1,000+ km physical distance between the two nations.

Retaining the name East Pakistan wouldn’t make much sense. In the Bengali language the “desh” ending means land so “Bangladesh” means land of the Bengalis. In Urdu and Farsi, “stan” means land, and Pak means pure, so Pakistan means land of the pure. When Bangladesh was a part of Pakistan having a name with Persian or Urdu roots made sense, but since it is almost entirely Bengali speaking now, a name that has roots in the mother tongue of 99% of Bengalis makes more sense.

such a suicidal and self defeating way of thinking. may wanna pay close attention to the u.s. hawaii has no borders with the mainland u.s. and nor does alaska. both states too had their own ethnic groups with their own languages living there but just because the u.s. government policy was to let them adhere to culture, let them assert their ethnic identity and let them be a part of the greater political process, today it requires a miracle to put that american ideology out of the minds of hawaiians and alaskans not to mention they openly invite mainstream americans to come and live there. Wouldn't have killed us to take the same approach with the very ones who were the FIRST to support the very ideology of a seperate Muslim nation for the Muslims of the colonial subcontinent.

 

[SaadH]

The African American population in US were subject to incomparable treatment before the civil rights movement in the US. They were not allowed to sit in the same school or use the same rest room as the white man. Such treatment was the norm and not the exception. Despite my criticism of the right wing movement in India today, I don't agree that the Indian Muslim population have that level of a problem. Even if you find some comparable incidents in India, it will only be an exception.

However, I do agree that there are strong parallels between the alt right movement in the US and the conservative momentum in India today. Here the African community in the US have several advantage that minority communities in India do not have.

a) Trump (and the Republican party) did not win the popular vote. Modi consistently trumps everyone else in India when it comes to popularity.
b) Mainstream US media was always against Trump. In India, this is the opposite. Mainstream media is completely under BJP's spell.
c) Trump popularity continued to plummet throughout his Presidency in US. Meanwhile, Modi's popularity has continued to dominate throughout his tenure despite self inflicted pain like demonetization.

Under the above conditions, I don't see many options for Indian Muslims to protest against the government.

Good points, but this is the current situation in US after decades if not century long struggle to get these concessions.

If you compare the zeitgeist of American society and political landscape 50 or even 100 years ago, we had a KKK member elected as president only a 100 years ago who routinely used White House to propagate racist themes and works.

Indian Muslims are in the same predicament as Blacks were 70/80 years in US, now is their time to struggle, resist and fight back and follow the African American playbook. Resistance, ghettoization, self reliance, fight back, sit-ins, protests, being ready to be brutalized and lynched by mobs and state machinery and only then you will win any concessions, otherwise Hindus will absorb them back into the fold.

 

[beast89]

"Muslims who are opposing Pakistan will spend rest of their lives proving loyalty to India."

~Mohammad Ali Jinnah

Never met an indian muslim say friendly stuff about Pakistan

Even Sikh are better organised and ready to defend themselves, Indian muslims have truly fallen

 

[GumNaam]

I reluctantly agree with what you have said, but there is important point that you should take note of and factor in your thoughts

The Indian Muslims have been subjected to numerous state sponsored pogroms that have absolutely brutalized the community.

african americans were also a minority, 20% of the population, not the majority...had they been the majority, they would've opted independence a long time ago...in fact, Malcolm X implied reaching for independence by advocating complete seperation from white america.

 

[Wood]

Good points, but this is the current situation in US after decades if not century long struggle to get these concessions.

If you compare the zeitgeist of American society and political landscape 50 or even 100 years ago, we had a KKK member elected as president only a 100 years ago who routinely used White House to propagate racist themes and works.

Indian Muslims are in the same predicament as Blacks were 70/80 years in US, now is their time to struggle, resist and fight back and follow the African American playbook. Resistance, ghettoization, self reliance, fight back, sit-ins, protests, being ready to be brutalized and lynched by mobs and state machinery and only then you will win any concessions, otherwise Hindus will absorb them back into the fold.

The struggles of the untouchable caste in India is a better comparison for the struggles of African Americans. Some people were not allowed to sit, be touched by or even seen in the vicinity of people from higher caste in India. Even today, this discrimination exists in some pockets. I consider this to be more analogous with struggles of African American people under KKK. Indian Muslims do not normally face this level of discrimination today.

Besides what I've already said, the other factor that affects the ability of Indian Muslim community to consolidate their political capital is that they are geographically distributed in India. They don't all speak the same language nor do they face the same level of discrimination uniformly. In case of Kashmiri Muslims, they may not even be interested in the political rights for Muslims within the framework of Indian union. Muslims in states like Kerala, TN and WB do not have political discrimination within their respective provinces to motivate them. Overall, it is the Muslims in central and northern India can claim to face politically motivated discrimination in India. This is only half the population of the entire community.

 

[peagle]

What does that mean?.....What is the representation of minorities in Pakistan on higher seats??

Come on dude, its plain simple English. It is very clear.
What do you think it means? It means exactly what it says it means.

If you have a worthwhile thing to say, then say it.
If you want to built an argument, then present one, please don't ask silly questions and waste my time.
Get to the point, there are better things to do in life.

 

[TheSolution]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1485011978410205192

No surprises from someone who wouldn’t dare say Allah Hu Akbar on live TV

The owner of that account is based

 

[Adonis]

Come on dude, its plain simple English. It is very clear.
What do you think it means? It means exactly what it says it means.

If you have a worthwhile thing to say, then say it.
If you want to built an argument, then present one, please don't ask silly questions and waste my time.
Get to the point, there are better things to do in life.

You wasted 5 lines just to convey that you don't have any substantial response.....

 

[Maula Jatt]

The owner of that account is based

He is on pdf
@Asfandyar Bhittani

 

[TheSolution]

He is on pdf
@Asfandyar Bhittani

Even more based. Glad we have people like him on social media.

 

[peagle]

You wasted 5 lines just to convey that you don't have any substantial response.....

I used 5 sentences to highlight obvious stupidity.

Thank you for proving my point, yet again.
Given a chance to elaborate your BS, you continue to defer rather then discuss, that's just stupid.


To further highlight the stupidity, its not 5 lines, its 6. It's 5 sentences but 6 lines.
There's a good boy, now go and play and stop bothering me with stupidities.

 

[Adonis]

I used 5 sentences to highlight obvious stupidity.

Thank you for proving my point, yet again.
Given a chance to elaborate your BS, you continue to defer rather then discuss, that's just stupid.


To further highlight the stupidity, its not 5 lines, its 6. It's 5 sentences but 6 lines.
There's a good boy, now go and play and stop bothering me with stupidities.

Here is from the good boy then, Grandpa....

Stupidity (used multiple time to hide your incompetency to provide a reasonable response....other words like BS/ Boy reflect on the hollowness in articulation and comprehension.