Karbagh war: what will Turkey's reponse going to be?

[rmi5]

I spoke about qualitatively superiority with regards to infantry; you are giving me names of weaponry that in some cases have nothing to do with infantry-strength, like S-300s for instances. TOS-1 and BM-30 Smerchs are the only weaponry you listed that are superior compared to Iran's equivalents. And could be neutralized by Iran's guided-missiles, air force or even small-units of IRGC armed with ATGMS.

I not only proved that Azerbaijan has better quality infantry, but also in comparing of Iran army and Azerbaijan army, Azerbaijan has more advanced weapons.
BTW, LOL at your north korean scuds. We already have many systems like S-300, ... which would be more than enough for your scuds.

Already debunked. You may want to read about the Second Lebanon War when Iranian tactics and weaponry pretty much stopped an armored infantry assault of Israel.

Israel did whatever she wanted to Lebanon, and not Hizballah nor IRGC could do any shit against them. very simple.

Is that so? The IRGC pretty much annihilated PJAK, Jundullah, and has made game-changing gains in Syria, which are acknowledged by most military-analysts.

PJAK pulled back her forces since their PKK masters told them that they will need their forces in Syria.
LOL about Jundallah. Jundallah was a group of at most 50 persons, equipped with knives and AK-47, and funny that they are still roaming freely there. kudos to your IRGC

Many of Iran's listed aircrafts have either been modernized, or are still superior compared to Azerbaijani's aircrafts. Iran has more experience in fighting an aerial war and has more experienced pilots.

Azerbaijani pilots are either soviet trained pilots or trained by them, and also trained by NATO. BTW, what upgrades you are talking about? no fighter jet would be useful after 4 decades and 8 years of war, and I doubt most of your aircrafts can even tolerate 3g. BTW, your Mig-29 aircrafts are second-handed export versions aka "monkey version", and funny to call them better than Mig-29s belonged to ex-soviets, which shows your stupidity.

 

[asena_great]

which shows your stupidity.

 

[Neptune]

So please tell me, what has your people done in supporting Azerbaijan? Your government has been chosen by your people, even recently, so don't tell me that there are significant differences between how the majority of your people think and how your government behaves.

Everything. .ask it to Azeris.

Yes from my people but it's the %51 that chose Erdogan.

I am not telling, don't fear. It's the half of my people..their beliefs are being used as a tool by the Government. .so...but still they are my people..


P.S You're trolling, I had banned you before when I was a moderator..once a troll, always a troll. Why don't you just go fuvk yourself?

 

[asena_great]

why @atatwolf gets banned ?

 

[Neptune]

@Surenas don't bother to compare Azerbaijan with Iran. The day when Azerbaijan goes to a conventional war, Turkey will choose to fight instead of support.

 

[ASQ-1918]

When it comes to Turkey, Azerbaijan has indeed always felt the support in one form or another, and will continue to do so. It's also something beyond Erdogan, so I do not agree with some of those comments (besides I don't think Erdogan hates Azerbaijan or something, these are groundless statements. Why would he hate Azerbaijan (don't talk about Shia-Sunni stuff please)? Although I do not really like his ideology (my own opinion, so do not get offended, I also don't support Aliyev for that matter), it has nothing to do with Turkish-Azerbaijani relations). Why would anyone think that Turkey should physically involve itself? I don't think the Azerbaijani leadership expects that either, and the country has enough resources to create a potential defence force that could independently defend the country under any situation. I believe that is the ultimate goal of the government as well.

PS: Any armed confrontation with Russia is excluded. So do not base your "theories" on that.

 

[Azeri440]

You made the claim, so the burden of proof lies with you. Which terrorist groups have Iran supported?

and I told you to do a simple search to save me the time since you are here most of time I assume you have enough time

Iran, based on network complexity and organizational strength. It has more experience in facing adversaries with significant air forces, and besides the S-300, Iran has its developed its own AD-systems.

maybe back in 70s but in 2014 not so much
yes iranian developed AD systems are crap

Iskandar is comparable to Iran's own Fateh-110 missile.

err no , Iskander can avoid S-300 and I doubt the same about Fateh missile

Not really.

yes really , here is our Border Guards aka Coast Guard just by itself

 

[ASQ-1918]

@Azeri440

I don't think that would really justify an argument. The real development of the Coast Guard has only started with the new shipyard (I posted about it in the previous page).

So if you are going to argue, at least do it the right way.

 

[rmi5]

When it comes to Turkey, Azerbaijan has indeed always felt the support in one form or another, and will continue to do so. It's also something beyond Erdogan,

I agree. Turkish public and Azerbaijan are very close and Turkey has already supported Azerbaijan in many fields. Even Erdogan cannot change all of that.

so I do not agree with some of those comments (besides I don't think Erdogan hates Azerbaijan or something, these are groundless statements. Why would he hate Azerbaijan (don't talk about Shia-Sunni stuff please)?

My point is that islamists cannot be trusted, since they care more for their religion/sect than nationalism or brotherhood by blood. So, I believe that being worried about islamists is legitimate. What Erdogan did about Iraqi turkmens, was an alert.

Why would anyone think that Turkey should physically involve itself? I don't think the Azerbaijani leadership expects that either, and the country has enough resources to create a potential defence force that could independently defend the country under any situation. I believe that is the ultimate goal of the government as well.

PS: Any armed confrontation with Russia is excluded. So do not base your "theories" on that.

I agree that responding to Russia with military forces by Turkey is not realistic, but the fact is that Turkish-Russian trade would pass 100 billion$ by 2020, in which Turkey can use it to put pressure on Russia to change her policies in southern caucasus. I think that's a reasonable expectation from Turkish government.

@Azeri440

I don't think that would really justify an argument. The real development of the Coast Guard has just started with the new shipyard (I posted about it in previous page).

But I don't think you are aware of the fact that Iran launched Jamaran frigate in the Caspian Sea. However;

But, Jamaran is not well-equipped nor she can even protect herself. BTW, I do not have trust in what Iranian sources say. They even said that Qaher-313 is a real fighter better than F-35 but it was turned to be just a mockup and RC model. About the capabilities of this Jamaran frigate, I doubt if the case is much different.

 

[ASQ-1918]

Besides, these corvettes are going to be a sitting duck

"These corvettes" are Saar S-72, you could check the wikipedia for a quick reference.

Sa'ar 72-class corvette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Armament:

8 RGM-84 Harpoon or Gabriel anti-ship missiles
16 Barak 8 surface-to-air missiles
Otobreda 76 mm naval gun
6 Mark 32 torpedo tubes (Mark 46 torpedoes)

 

[Azeri440]

@Azeri440

I don't think that would really justify an argument. The real development of the Coast Guard has only started with the new shipyard (I posted about it in the previous page).

So if you are going to argue, at least do it the right way.

you didn't really understand the point I made about the border guards

 

[xenon54 out]

But, these are just words. The only action that Turkey did, and it was very valuable, was sending F-16s a few years ago, when Iran wanted to make trouble for Azerbaijan with her air force in Khazar sea. in which it caused Iranians to flee, and fvck off.

Why is the Turkish Armenian Border closed again?

 

[type93]

In such a war, turkey will be dragged into the abyss which is nice

 

[BARS]

Agreement on Strategic Partnership and Mutual Support

The Agreement on Strategic Partnership and Mutual Support between Azerbaijan and Turkey for strategic partnership and security co-operation was signed at Baku by Presidents Ilham Aliyev and Abdullah Gul.


Under the terms of the treaty, both Turkey and Azerbaijan will support each other "using all possibilities" in the case of a military attack or aggression against either of the countries.


The Agreement consists of 23 articles and five chapters: "Military-political and security issues", "Military and military-technical cooperation", "Humanitarian issues", "Economic cooperation", and "Common and final provisions".


The agreement was ratified by National Assembly of Azerbaijan on 21 December 2010.


Following ratification by the Azerbaijani Assembly, Grand National Assembly of Turkey ratified on 2 February 2011.


Signed 16 August 2010

Expiration 16 August 2020
(Option to extend until 2030)


I did specifically signed in to this forum to respond about this topic. Because i am a new member and rules of forum wont allow new members to post links i cant give exact source. I just can say my source is the related wikipedia page. You can find yourself by researching Azerbaijan-Turkey relations.