Karbagh war: what will Turkey's reponse going to be?

[rmi5]

Mate, i didn't followed the conversation througly....I just saw his threats and responded, that's it.
Regarding
Let's not dramatize bro. After each election, Azerbaijan has been always the first foreign visit of the Erdogan....not just Erdogan but every minister said many times that we have unconditioned support for Azerbaijan.

But, these are just words. The only action that Turkey did, and it was very valuable, was sending F-16s a few years ago, when Iran wanted to make trouble for Azerbaijan with her air force in Khazar sea. in which it caused Iranians to flee, and fvck off.

You are our real brothers and nothing or no one can change that.

Indeed, we are real brethren and I believe in it. But, I doubt that's what Erdogan and islamists in Turkey believe.

 

[-SINAN-]

But, these are just words. The only action that Turkey did, and it was very valuable, was sending F-16s a few years ago, when Iran wanted to make trouble for Azerbaijan with her air force in Khazar sea. in which it caused Iranians to flee, and fvck off.

Mate we couldn't enter the war with Armenia....or else you would face Russia rather than Armenis, you know it....

Indeed, we are real brethren and I believe in it. But, I doubt that's what Erdogan and islamists in Turkey believe.

I don't have an answer for that....he don't do anything about PKK, and we are thinking that he would go in war for Azerbaijan.....

Turkey already has implemented an economic blockade on Armenia. So you have less incentives to force Armenia from continuing any possible clashes. If Turkey does involve itself, its going to be by providing ammunition, military advice and other non-game changing support to Azerbaijan. Not more than that probably.

What about, deploying some units covertly in Azerbaijan...striking Armenia's air defence and strategicall assets from Azerbaijan with stand off weaponary like, Som missiles, Harpy drones.

urkey is not going to risk to antagonize Iran in such case. Besides, Iran has geographical advantage in such hypothetical war.

Let's not go in there.....

 

[Surenas]

I don't have an answer for that....we don't do anything about PKK, and we are thinking that he would go in war for Azerbaijan.....

Face it. Turkmens are getting slaughtered in Iraq and Erdogan is more busy with protecting its friends in Gaza. Uyghurs are getting slaughtered in China, and even face a demographic war (with China pushing Han-Chinese to Uyghur-land), and Turkey is silent.

Pan-Turkism is dead, with exception in the heads of some fanboys on forums. Turkey currently is witnessing a huge political schism, with Erdogan slowly Islamizing the place. The war on PKK is stalled, while Turks on their own are accusing each other of either being Islamists or pseudo-Westerners. The Alevites are mad on your government, while the country is divided into a AKP and CHP camp, with MHP drawing low number of votes.

Turkey is in no state to get themselves involved military, in which place whatsoever..

 

[olcayto]

LoL

 

[-SINAN-]

Face it. Turkmens are getting slaughtered in Iraq and Erdogan is more busy with protecting its friends in Gaza. Uyghurs are getting slaughtered in China, and even face a demographic war (with China pushing Han-Chinese to Uyghur-land), and Turkey is silent.
Pan-Turkism is dead, with exception in the heads of some fanboys on forums. Turkey currently is witnessing a huge political schism, with Erdogan slowly Islamizing the place. The war on PKK is stalled, while Turks on their own are accusing each other of being Islamists or pseudo-Westerners. The Alevites are mad on your government, while the country is divided into a AKP and CHP camp, with MHP drawing low number of votes.

Some of these things are true.

Turkey is in no state to get themselves involved military, in which place whatsoever..

Why not ? We are militarly ready...and external threats all ways unites societies.

 

[Surenas]

Why not ? We are militarly ready...and external threats all ways unites societies.

Your best and top military officials have either been jailed or sacked, while Erdogan has put its own men on top military positions. While you are currently negotiating with the PKK, the conflict is still not over, and could even ignite again if any party feels its demands aren't met. You face political schism at home, which isn't really helpful as well. A war could unite Turks in the short-term, but internal problems are too significant to fade away in the long-term. And Erdogan, besides having a big mouth, is a coward, to say it frankly.

 

[rmi5]

obsessed butthurt troll is back

About Iran:

Iran is not going to involve itself militarily as well. The only casus belli is an Israeli attack on Iran from Azerbaijani soil. In such case, the IRGC would not have much problem to break Azerbaijani defenses.

how exactly?

Iran's infantry is superior (both numerically and qualitatively) compared to Azerbaijan's infantry.

Qualitatively? Are you joking with me? then mention what are the equivalent weapons of IRGC with the below list of Azerbaijan:
T-90 tanks
T-72 Aslan
BMP3
TOS-1
BTR-80
Marauder
Matador
BM-30 Smerch
2S31 Vena
S-300
, ....
numerically? Almost all IRGC weapons are old 60s, 70s weapons which have no use against new weapons of the list above. BTW, it is not even clear that those old IRGC weapons are still functioning after half a century.

The IRGC has more experience, is more determined and is battle-tested.

Yeah, it was tested against bunch of ragtag Ak-47 carrying civilians in Syria, and failed miserably.

Iran could even start an uprising in Azerbaijan by supporting Talysh and Shia-Islamist groups who are more Iran-orientated. Not even considering Iran's superior air force, its missile arsenal and naval superiority in the Caspian Sea.

LOL about superior Iran air force. We just need to buy some new jets for our air force and your museum like air force would fail miserably as well. Turkey can also provide us air support like what they did before. BTW, hundreds of Iranians are arrested in the past decade in Azerbaijan for creating religious based groups, but all of them are failed. Your Iran is only capable of meddling in countries like lebanon who had no stability.

@Sinan Bro, why do you reply to any troll? I think my reply is enough for him. Let him deal with his butthurt.

 

[Malik Alashter]

All erdogan care about is bring back his Ottoman empire he would deal with devil to make that dream come true.

about azerbaijan all he want from them is their oil plus he try to have as big influence on them as possible hopefully he use that against the west.
also use the azarbaijani paper to flagg it against the irainian every time he feel he needs it.

this is the same policy he use in iraq by helping the sunni insurgents. he dreams of Iraq with all that oil fell in their hands so he can use it against his opponents.

that's why I said this erdogan has no love to the azaris just like the turkman that he actually help to slay them at the hands of the daesh and baathist terrorists.

 

[Azeri440]

Turkey's response is going to be symbolic. No way Turkey is going to react in a military sense, since Armenia is pretty much under the umbrella of Russia and its fellow oligarchs. Besides, with the Armenian genocide soon facing its 100-year 'birthday', Turkey is not going to risk a PR-backlash.

About Iran:

Iran is not going to involve itself militarily as well. The only casus belli is an Israeli attack on Iran from Azerbaijani soil. In such case, the IRGC would not have much problem to break Azerbaijani defenses. They will cut a hole in Azeri lines like a hot knife in butter. Iran's infantry is superior (both numerically and qualitatively) compared to Azerbaijan's infantry. The IRGC has more experience, is more determined and is battle-tested. Iran could even start an uprising in Azerbaijan by supporting Talysh and Shia-Islamist groups who are more Iran-orientated. Not even considering Iran's superior air force, its missile arsenal and naval superiority in the Caspian Sea.

your country already supports terrorist groups inside Azerbaijan
here is what happens to them

Azerbaijan has the most advanced AD network in the region your ancient fighters with no jamming capability will be dropping like flies
your arsenal of north korean missiles have a better chance of hitting Tehran than targets in Azerbaijan not to mention they pose no threat in the first place , S-300 will easily pick them off specially when you have 3 battalions of them ( 12 x 3 launchers )

err no your navy is not superior , Azerbaijan has a powerful force combined with border guards and navy in the caspian
even our border guards are getting Israeli corvettes while the navy is getting bigger ships
also Azerbaijan already ordered Bal-E

 

[Neptune]

Nothing. Wanna know why? Remember the Menemen Incident which happen at 1930, 7 years after the declaration of the Republic.

Menemen Incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you know what was Atatürk's order? He said "Set Menemen to fire, wipe it out from the map"...Not the islamic rebellers were the reason. It was because of the death of Lieutenant Kubilay. The message is clear...36 was executed and numerous others were jailed. This is what happens if you kill a Turkish Officer. Now? Today we lost Emre AS, whom is a lieutenant as well and died today killed by PKK? And recently now protestors have threw molotovs and rock into a public middle school at Diyarbakır where they also removed and throw the Atatürk Statue of the school. What did the government do today in response to the events of nowadays? A bigass size NOTHING..where 21 more Palestinians are expected to be airlifted this week. Now you ask whether what would be our response to Armenia. Azerbaijan is our only brother state in this world. Not our people but our government has been disloyal and abandoned Azerbaijan. Period.

 

[Surenas]

Qualitatively? Are you joking with me? then mention what are the equivalent weapons of IRGC with the below list of numerically?

I spoke about qualitatively superiority with regards to infantry; you are giving me names of weaponry that in some cases have nothing to do with infantry-strength, like S-300s for instances. TOS-1 and BM-30 Smerchs are the only weaponry you listed that are superior compared to Iran's equivalents. And could be neutralized by Iran's guided-missiles, air force or even small-units of IRGC armed with ATGMS.

Almost all IRGC weapons are old 60s, 70s weapons which have no use against new weapons of the list above. BTW, it is not even clear that those old IRGC weapons are still functioning after half a century.

Already debunked. You may want to read about the Second Lebanon War when Iranian tactics and weaponry pretty much stopped an armored infantry assault of Israel.

Yeah, it was tested against bunch of ragtag Ak-47 carrying civilians in Syria, and failed miserably.

Is that so? The IRGC pretty much annihilated PJAK, Jundullah, and has made game-changing gains in Syria, which are acknowledged by most military-analysts.

LOL about superior Iran air force. We just need to buy some new jets for our air force and your museum like air force would fail miserably as well. Turkey can also provide us air support like what they did before. BTW, hundreds of Iranians are arrested in the past decade in Azerbaijan for creating religious based groups, but all of them are failed. Your Iran is only capable of meddling in countries like lebanon who had no stability.

Many of Iran's listed aircrafts have either been modernized, or are still superior compared to Azerbaijani's aircrafts. Iran has more experience in fighting an aerial war and has more experienced pilots.

Azerbaijan wouldn't stand a chance. Armenia is more in Azeri's league than Iran.

your country already supports terrorist groups inside Azerbaijan
here is what happens to them

Which terrorist groups and you could put up some evidence of Iran's support to them? Just showing a bunch of counter-terrorist units doesn't impress me.

Azerbaijan has the most advanced AD network in the region your ancient fighters with no jamming capability will be dropping like flies

I doubt Azerbaijan has the most advanced AD network. Perhaps by weaponry, but certainly not by organizational strength or network complexity.

your arsenal of north korean missiles have a better chance of hitting Tehran than targets in Azerbaijan not to mention they pose no threat in the first place , S-300 will easily pick them off specially when you have 3 battalions of them ( 12 x 3 launchers )

The north-korean missile argument is outdated, since Iran has pretty much made significant gains in boosting its missile capabilities, which has been acknowledged by various missile experts like Uzi Rubin, who is Israeli. Read about Fateh-110, Sejjil or other advances missiles Iran recently unveiled.

err no your navy is not superior , Azerbaijan has a powerful force combined with border guards and navy in the caspian
even our border guards are getting Israeli corvettes while the navy is getting bigger ships
also Azerbaijan already ordered Bal-E

Iran's navy is the second most significant navy in the Caspian Sea, after Russia's. You still does not have these corvettes, and what you are going to get in the future is insignificant now. Besides, these corvettes are going to be a sitting duck, considering the fact that Iran has a significant AsM capabilities, which have been developed to face a much stronger adversary: the United States.

 

[Azeri440]

Which terrorist groups and you could put up some evidence of Iran's support to them? Just showing a bunch of counter-terrorist units doesn't impress me.

search " Iranian sponsored terrorists caught in Azerbaijan"
I don't really care if it impresses you or not , I posted it to show how effective MTN has become at
catching these terrorists

I doubt Azerbaijan has the most advanced AD network. Perhaps by weaponry, but certainly not by organizational strength or network complexity.

please enlighten me who has a better AD network

The north-korean missile argument is outdated, since Iran has pretty much made significant gains in boosting its missile capabilities, which has been acknowledged by various missile experts like Uzi Rubin, who is Israeli. Read about Fateh-110, Sejjil or other advances missiles Iran recently unveiled.

oh more "experts" even if that is true unless your missile reach the complexity of Iskander they will be easily picked off by S-300

Iran navy is the second most superior navy in the Caspian Sea, after Russia's. You still does not have these corvettes, and what you are going to get in the future is insignificant now.

nope , with the combination of our navy and border guards the only superior force is Russia
actually it is significant , I don't think Iran plans to start a war tomorrow definitely not when both countries
are increasing their relations[/quote]

 

[Surenas]

Not our people but our government has been disloyal and abandoned Azerbaijan. Period.

So please tell me, what has your people done in supporting Azerbaijan? Your government has been chosen by your people, even recently, so don't tell me that there are significant differences between how the majority of your people think and how your government behaves.

 

[ASQ-1918]

Iran's infantry is superior (both numerically and qualitatively) compared to Azerbaijan's infantry. The IRGC has more experience, is more determined and is battle-tested. Iran could even start an uprising in Azerbaijan by supporting Talysh and Shia-Islamist groups who are more Iran-orientated. Not even considering Iran's superior air force, its missile arsenal and naval superiority in the Caspian Sea.

Azerbaijan's tank forces are relatively modern, and quantitatively "enough" as well. 100 (+100 option) T-90S, few hundred T-72s, a large part modernized with modern FCS. Iran's most modern tanks are few hundred T-72S.

Azerbaijan has BMP-3Ms (with thermal sight and more modern FCS compared to "vanilla" BMP-3) as well. There are TOS-1A (on T-90S chassis) which could provide additional heavy firepower for mechanized forces (these do not act as classic MRL, but often providing direct firepower in mechanized formations, and being based on tank chassis).

Besides, Azerbaijan has modern anti-tank missile inventory, not to mention a sizeable quantity of attack helicopters with good anti-tank capability (the Mi-35M can carry 16 Ataka anti-tank missiles).

Azerbaijan has acquired various new MRL systems, including 306mm EXTRA guided rockets that can hit the enemy targets at the maximum ranges of 150 km with high accuracy (10m CEP).

Iran's aircraft inventory are not "enough" either qualitatively or quantitatively to "overwhelm" Azerbaijan's air defence (including the Mig-29s) in an "air superiority" situation. I'm sure you are thinking about F-14s, but what is their capabilities with regards to supressing enemy air defences?

As for the Caspian Sea, although Iran has launched its Jamaran frigate there, it's not that well equipped, obsolote in some cases, and has basically zero defence against anti-ship missiles. Russian Kommersant newspaper wrote that Azerbaijan has already sent a request to Russian side for the purchase of Bal-E systems, which is advertised with the new KH-35UE missiles with the range of 260 km. This will pose a big problem for Iranian ships.

Besides, Azerbaijan has its own naval projects as well. Last month the Coast Guard launched its own shipyard, which is producing patrol boat and OPV designs, while the Saar S-72 (which is highly superior to Jamaran in terms of technology and armament, despite its 800 ton displacement) is proposed. There are separate plans for the Navy, and the newly constructed Baku Shipyard will produce the ships. The plan has been already voiced by president Aliyev.

This is the proposed Saar S-72 for Coast Guard.

But there is also these currently produced OPVs. Its armament includes Spike NLOS (8x) missiles with 25km range.

PS: There will be never an armed confrontation between the two countries in the foreseeable future.

 

[Surenas]

search " Iranian sponsored terrorists caught in Azerbaijan"

You made the claim, so the burden of proof lies with you. Which terrorist groups have Iran supported?

please enlighten me who has a better AD network

Iran, based on network complexity and organizational strength. It has more experience in facing adversaries with significant air forces, and besides the S-300, Iran has its developed its own AD-systems.

oh more "experts" even if that is true unless your missile reach the complexity of Iskander they will be easily picked off by S-300

Iskandar is comparable to Iran's own Fateh-110 missile.

nope , with the combination of our navy and border guards the only superior force is Russia

Not really.