Karachi slowly turning into lawless tribal area with brutal killings

[pak-marine]

Karachi violence and killings were the direct result of Murda wa Qattal Movement. You can't blame it all on Tali-barbarians.

Wrong ! a recent example 1- 2 years back (IDP crisis) we had the ANP whining , crying and blaming MQM non stop of killing pukhtuns and all opposition groups joined forces in their rant now ANP are kicked out of their neighbor hoods by extremists and talibans those locations are taken over by them now they run their own show , own courts , own taxation , murder , mayhem and what not and the ANP Sindh chapter leader

We can deny facts but it will only take us little far in life and the problem will become a nightmare by than. To solve a problem we must diagnose correctly and your opinion sorry i think its way wrong my view is opposite religious extremists (every kind) are responsible now and in the past they played every one very well got to give them one least.

 

[FaujHistorian]

no i meant that the political representation of Karachi cannot be federal, ...i

Most of Karachi/hyderabad economy, jobs, school college university seats are dominated by our community aka Urdu Spanking Community.

And yet we tend to do Matam 5 times a day that we are not represented.

This is the biggest poppycock of our beautiful city's and our country's history.

Sadly.

 

[Cherokee]

@FaujiHistorian is schooling both sides well . My sarcasm is not needed here so i will take a leave . Adios .

 

[pak-marine]

Taliban in Karachi DHA

 

[American Pakistani]

Until people will not come out of their arrogance & ignorant attitude, Karachi issue cannot be solved. As i said what are illegal Katchi abadis doing in the city? Who give them authority? Why they occupy the private parties land or govt lands, etc? Katchi abadis who are unaccounted for needs to be demolish as they are illegal. Give them a month notice & run the dozer over these katchi abadis. Every new area has katchi abadi now...take Gulistan e Jauhar & Gulshan i Maymaar for example...G J is threatened by Pehalwan goth, Safoora & Bhittaiabad & G M position is more worst. Even some Katchi abadis are popping up in old settled areas like F B Area, Gulberg, Gulshan i Iqbal, North Nazimabad, Nazimabad, etc. Soon you will see them in elite areas like DHA, Kehkashan, Clifton, Bath Island, PECHS, etc too. But who is there to listen...if you show non-Karachitis the ground reality they will declare you MQM wala.

@FaujHistorian Let me tell you one thing...MQM is a force against feudals, jageerdars, waderas, extremists, etc of Karachi. If there was no MQM...Karachi would be standing as mini Afghanistan today.

 

[FaujHistorian]

....MQM is a force against feudals, jageerdars, waderas, extremists, etc of Karachi. .

Listen I have studied my community, its roots, and visited Bihar.

Don't know what your ethnicity is, and I do not want to bring it into this discussion.

However it is important for all of us to understand how politics is being played .

Have you thought about the origins of Murda wa Qattal Movement?

Ever?

The language like "force against feudals, jageerdars etc." is in fact imported from the petty village politics of Bihar.


Let me give you a quick primer on the struggles between

---- Dalits/scheduled casts/peasant Muslims,

Verses

---- Brahmin landlords.

In Bihar, these pathetically poor and destitute landless dalits and peasants formed militant organizations called "senas" (nexal, maoists etc.).

So did the landlords and feudals (Ranvir Sena).

These militant wings of the two groups murdered each others members for along long time.

Lately the activity has died down a bit.


Murda wa Qattal Movement (MQM) is nothing but a copy of the Bihari militias like Nexalites, maoists etc.


But we the Urdu spanking community in Karachi were never the landless slaves, dalits, shudras, untouchables, etc.

We have from 1948, dominated universities, jobs, businesses etc.

So it is pathetic to see that so many among my community talk like Bihari peasents when in fact many among our community were born in Pakistan with silver spoon in their mouths (compared to 95% population of Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan and KP).


So please avoid this communist and maoist talk of Jagirdaar feudal etc.

Why

Considering the concentration of wealth in Karachi among our community, we are the Jagirdaars and feudals.


peace


p.s. No disrespect intended for any ethnic community. This is just a comparison of politics in Bihar and politics in Karachi.

 

[Aamna14]

Going by your nick I assumed you were 14, going by your post I concluded that I was correct.

Oh thats all you could come up with?? What a pity that you resort to personal comments just because someone disagrees with you and don't have the patience and maturity to deal with it.

 

[Contrarian]

Yeah and Moaists and other separatists are using fruit cutting knives to kill police officers in the East.

Please do not spread ignorance.

Thank you

No friend. Unless you count Andhra Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Chahhisgarh as East India. The only two states which fall in the Red Corridor are Bihar and Jharkhand.
The Maoist stronghold is in Central India. Please get your facts right.

And we are talking about gun culture, not an insurgency. As rightly said by another member - its like saying the Army has gun culture. Gun culture implies that local population has weapons. Families have weapons at home.

In this case, only the Maoists and the Cops/Paramilitary have weapons - both of whom form a miniscule population in each of those states, not the rest of the population in those areas. Even for those rest of the folks, it would have been an achievement of a lifetime to hold a real gun in their hands, let alone fire it.

You have to understand how strict the Society is on these issues that when the Chhatisgarh Govt raised a people's militia to fight the Maoists at the village level, the Supreme Court disbanded against Chhatisgarh State's wishes, saying civilians are not allowed to carry guns under any circumstances, nor are they allowed to be organized as a militia. Only the cops are allowed to do that.

This is how strict it is in India.

We dont have darra like areas, or people owning the kind of weapons as they do in Pakistan. Neither are weapons easy to procure except for kacha maal. And even crappy $hit is expensive.
And god forbid, there are no areas like Pakistan Tribal areas where almost every family owns rifles!

Understand what gun culture is - Pakistan/USA , then compare it with India. You will find a world of difference.

 

[batmannow]

follow the tribal areas , form local laskars & fight terrorists!lolzzz

 

[Mav3rick]

Oh thats all you could come up with?? What a pity that you resort to personal comments just because someone disagrees with you and don't have the patience and maturity to deal with it.

We have displayed patience and majority for the past many years, unfortunately you must have been very young to be interested in political matters then. My post was not offensive, I posted my assumption because of your post and nothing else.

 

[Mav3rick]

Most of Karachi/hyderabad economy, jobs, school college university seats are dominated by our community aka Urdu Spanking Community.

And yet we tend to do Matam 5 times a day that we are not represented.

This is the biggest poppycock of our beautiful city's and our country's history.

Sadly.

Maybe in the private sector in Karachi, however in the Bureaucracy and Government departments, the situation is quite the opposite. One can make an argument that there is a quota system....however, why is there a quota system within Sindh? of urban Sindh and rural Sindh? Why is there a quota system, period?? All appointments should have been made on merit but that would mean the best man for the job rather then the 'right' man! I hope you understand.

 

[Aamna14]

We have displayed patience and majority for the past many years, unfortunately you must have been very young to be interested in political matters then. My post was not offensive, I posted my assumption because of your post and nothing else.

Oh yes it was offensive but i guess you are the one who think he decides what others should find offensive or not. And considering how old i was when you once in a while showed patience towards others, well thats just none of you're business. If you can't take criticism and get personal while replying then you're at fault not others and it merely shows where you're standing.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Maybe in the private sector in Karachi, however in the Bureaucracy and Government departments, the situation is quite the opposite. One can make an argument that there is a quota system....however, why is there a quota system within Sindh? of urban Sindh and rural Sindh? Why is there a quota system, period?? All appointments should have been made on merit but that would mean the best man for the job rather then the 'right' man! I hope you understand.

Again you gotta study our community's history, and its dominance over Karachi in particular and Pakistan in general.

Quota system 2% for Karachi was introduced by Urdu Spanking community's mafia boss aka Liaqat Ali Khan, and then kept in place for a long time by the Urdu spanking dominated Federal baboos.

However that quata system is only one side of the proverbial coin.

the other side is the 99% quota for Urdu Spanking community in all the Karachi colleges and universities.

This Nazi like policy kept Sindhi students out of their own state's colleges and their own state's capital.

This hold of Urdu Spanking community over colleges was so strong that even the Sindhi PM ZA Bhutto with all the might of Pakistani state could not dislodge.

And the only thing that mofo could do was to implement anti-Urdu spanking community policies (unwritten) in the newly established colleges of interior Sindh. Where PSF goons would torture the Urdu spanking community's students and force them to leave.


2 wrongs do not make it right.

But

Urdu Spanking community continued its neo-Nazi policies of anti-Sindhi educated class within Karachi and hyderabad.

These polices were so terror oriented that few students from up North could ever face.

And thus Karachi remained a no go area for Sindhi students for good part of Pakistan's life.


It is so pathetic that now you come over here and repeat the misinformation of Murda wa Qatal Movement.

IN the face of this ethnic cleansing policies, there are wide swaths of Karachi where non-Urdu spanking community members cannot rent or buy homes.

And the only communities that could face the Murda onslaught are the low skilled Pakhtoon and Baloch laborers.


It is time we the Urdu Spanking community ask for forgiveness from Sindhis

It is time we the Urdu Spanking community quit using Nazi style ethnic cleansing of Karachi

It is time we the Urdu Spanking community stops following Murda wa Qattal Movement MQM

Otherwise one of these days,

Locals (Sindhis, Pakhtoons, and Punjabis) will kick us out to Bihar just like Bengalis did to us in 1971. If you don't know we treated Bengalis in E. Pakistan just like we treat Sindhis in Sindh.

So please read up our true history before complaining and moaning and groaning about factitious issues.

Thank you

 

[mr42O]

even me living here in Oslo can see who is doing these killing but cant understand why goverment cant. SPIA SHABA , LeJ and others are openly giving threats on twitter from there officals accounts why cant police capture these killers ?