Karachi slowly turning into lawless tribal area with brutal killings

[FaujHistorian]

Thank god India does not have gun culture ..or else god knows what our political parties would have made us into ...

Sorry to go off topic for a bit.

Gun culture tend to exist in border states and areas dominated by people from border states.

So India does have gun culture in its Eastern and Western border states, but many posters here are from central and southern parts of India. So they tend to be oblivious if not downright ignorant about the reality.


peace

On topic:

Karachi's violence will never end until the day my community aka Urdu spanking community gets its priorities straight.


Karachi's violence will never end until the day my community aka Urdu spanking community stops supporting Murda wa Qattal Movement (MQM).

Why?

Well! my community aka Urdu spanking community tends to dominate all the colleges, businesses, jobs, and resources.

In our $tupidity we support terrorism of Murda wa Qattal Movement (MQM) and thus are committing economic suicide.

 

[pak-marine]

My dear dear dear dear deer deer deerest,

What do you REALLY mean by day 1?

Please provide with month/date/year and time.


please let us know.

thank you

wasnt the army operation a direct

My dear dear dear dear deer deer deerest,

What do you REALLY mean by day 1?

Please provide with month/date/year and time.


please let us know.

thank you

MQM opposed Pakistan involvement in Afghan Taliban affairs isnt this why their was a operation in karachi in 90s? they opposed settling afghans in surroundings of Karachi , why we had ethinic riots in mid 80's

 

[Contrarian]

there is a difference between bombay situation and karachi situation

the political leaders of karachi don't represent the federal where as bombay does, the gangs cannot be eliminated when the police which is also not under control of the local leaders are hand in glove with the gangs

the gangs and police together run the drug trafficking, weapons smuggling and patronise those criminals

there is local government in india, there is none in karachi

@Contrarian The violence, particularly gun violence in mumbai even the 90s was a fraction of karachi. Gun culture never took root and mumbai is 10 times smaller and an island that the police could lock down.

There is no doubt karachi job is much more difficult. in karachi political parties are involved. I need not tell hpw much worse that makes matters.

First of all, W11, Bombay police is actually under Maharashtra Government, not Central Government. Just like Karachi Police is under Sindh Government(I presume).

Even in Bombay half the police force was taking bribes from the gangs. They got their cut for every consignment smuggled. The same for the political parties - all got their cut.

Mumbai had an equal gun violence, the thing is that the local population in India does not have gun culture. Even then in Bombay gangs fought each other and there were daily deaths. The reason it appears to be lesser is because once it reached a high intensity, and the gangs thought they did not need the police force anymore, they started shooting at senior cops and threatened politicians. Then Bombay police started their encounters - both real and fake.

 

[Mav3rick]

dafuq? It's a scary scenario koi to sambhalo Karachi ko !!

When MQM attempts to defend MQM at political and militant level, they face serious opposition from PPP & JuI (and previously from ANP as well). And MQM is the only resistive force in Karachi against TTP terrorists.

A huge credit goes to MQM though couldn't have achieved this without a few other elements so congratulations and keep going

Going by your nick I assumed you were 14, going by your post I concluded that I was correct.

hats off to that bhangi in London, you get what you sow, now he is living in peace in England and what he got Karachi into. What MQM started is out of their control now, when you make a city look like where only the powerful can survive than everyone tries to be powerful. Now he quiet in London, no more instruction coming ke Karachi abhi tuk sukoon se kun hay, well bhangi its not in sukoon anymore

So MQM started the Talibanization in Karachi???

Such retarded posts makes me sick!

The day unnatural Pakistanis who still identify themselves as muhajir leave Karachi it will be a much better place Those who identify themselves as Sindhi Pakistanis should stay.

On the contrary, Karachi can only prosper when the non Mohajir scum leave Karachi. They all flock to Karachi for better livelihood because they all know that Mohajirs, the educated class, can provide not only for themselves but for the rest of the country as well.

 

[Contrarian]

Sorry to go off topic for a bit.

Gun culture tend to exist in border states and areas dominated by people from border states.

So India does have gun culture in its Eastern and Western border states, but many posters here are from central and southern parts of India. So they tend to be oblivious if not downright ignorant about the reality.

No friend. You are seriously misinformed.
India does have gun culture in 2 states - Rajasthan and Punjab, not Eastern border States. To some extent, maybe UP. However UP only because of bad law and order situation.

Secondly, the gun culture in Western States like Rajasthan and Punjab is not even close to that in Pakistan Punjab, let alone Pakistani Tribal areas.

Getting a gun license in India is bloody bloody hard. India has actively discouraged gun ownership since Independence. The laws are too tough and availability too limited. Ofcourse illegal guns are there..but far too limited compared to the population.

You have to bribe a lot just to be able to get your hands on a third rate pistol or revolver. Getting anything of higher caliber is excruciatingly tough that even the elite find it hard. Let alone having regular men own a gun. Most people in India would never have even held a gun in their hands in their entire lifetime...and the only time they would have seen it is in a policeman's belt.

As compared to Pakistan, India has a non existent gun culture. I wonder why Pakistan has it.

 

[Mav3rick]

Dude it's not... Every thread about violence in Karachi is swept away by simply saying oh well MQM started it and that's the end of discussion... Yes it did but it needs to be stopped, with extreme force if required. Btw it's not just a mafia war in which cadres of these organisations are dying, mostly it's common people dying some times for as little as a couple of thousand worth mobile.

Let me ask you something, when and how did MQM start violence in Karachi? I mean the precise incident and details of violence in Karachi before MQM even existed. I just want to see whether you have anything to back your BS up there.

 

[FaujHistorian]

wasnt the army operation a direct



MQM opposed Pakistan involvement in Afghan Taliban affairs isnt this why their was a operation in karachi in 90s? they opposed settling afghans in surroundings of Karachi , why we had ethinic riots in mid 80's

Please do not spread ignorance.

Thank you.


Pakistan got involved in Afghanistani $hit after 1979 Commie invasion. Where was the Murda wa Qattal Movement (MQM) then?

Why it is that so many Murda supporters tend to be so ignorant of history.

May be that is a pre-requisite of becoming a staunch member of the Murda wa Qattal Movement (MQM)

 

[pak-marine]

First of all, W11, Bombay police is actually under Maharashtra Government, not Central Government. Just like Karachi Police is under Sindh Government(I presume).

Even in Bombay half the police force was taking bribes from the gangs. They got their cut for every consignment smuggled. The same for the political parties - all got their cut.

Mumbai had an equal gun violence, the thing is that the local population in India does not have gun culture. Even then in Bombay gangs fought each other and there were daily deaths. The reason it appears to be lesser is because once it reached a high intensity, and the gangs thought they did not need the police force anymore, they started shooting at senior cops and threatened politicians. Then Bombay police started their encounters - both real and fake.

it would be a mistake to compare bombay and karachi , dynamics, demographics and terrain are very different ... gangs either criminal or political will take a max of 6 months to settle they hold no importance as such . Real issue is we have Jihadis such as Al Qaida , Taliban , Lashkar e Tayaba , Lashkar e jhangvi & what not settled in scores in the city .. these savage morons are fighting global armed forces , how on earth our police , civilian or politicians can tackle such a well trained militia

 

[FaujHistorian]

No friend. You are seriously misinformed.
India does have gun culture in 2 states - Rajasthan and Punjab, not Eastern border States. To some extent, maybe UP. However UP only because of bad law and order situation.

Secondly, the gun culture in Western States like Rajasthan and Punjab is not even close to that in Pakistan Punjab, let alone Pakistani Tribal areas.

Getting a gun license in India is bloody bloody hard. India has actively discouraged gun ownership since Independence. The laws are too tough and availability too limited. Ofcourse illegal guns are there..but far too limited compared to the population.

You have to bribe a lot just to be able to get your hands on a third rate pistol or revolver. Getting anything of higher caliber is excruciatingly tough that even the elite find it hard. Let alone having regular men own a gun. Most people in India would never have even held a gun in their hands in their entire lifetime...and the only time they would have seen it is in a policeman's belt.

As compared to Pakistan, India has a non existent gun culture. I wonder why Pakistan has it.

Yeah and Moaists and other separatists are using fruit cutting knives to kill police officers in the East.

Please do not spread ignorance.

Thank you

 

[Star Wars]

Yeah and Moaists and other separatists are using fruit cutting knives to kill police officers in the East.

Please do not spread ignorance.

Thank you

This is like saying the army has gun culture ... thats just a stupid comparison

 

[pak-marine]

Please do not spread ignorance.
Thank you.
Pakistan got involved in Afghanistani $hit after 1979 Commie invasion. Where was the Murda wa Qattal Movement (MQM) then?
Why it is that so many Murda supporters tend to be so ignorant of history.
May be that is a pre-requisite of becoming a staunch member of the Murda wa Qattal Movement (MQM)

so cautioning me to stop spreading ignorance and calling silly names to a party represented by millions .. not me its you the cause

you dont have to think so hard and go back to 70's ! in 90's when civil war erupted in Afghanistan and Pakistan started backing taliban was the same time when operation started against MQM go back and connect the dots you dont have to become a historian or a staunch hater for that. Its plain logic and might make sense

 

[FaujHistorian]

so cautioning me to stop spreading ignorance and calling silly names to a party represented by millions .. not me its you the cause

you dont have to think so hard and go back to 70's ! in 90's when civil war erupted in Afghanistan and Pakistan started backing taliban was the same time when operation started against MQM go back and connect the dots you dont have to become a historian or a staunch hater for that. Its plain logic and might make sense

90s civil war in Afghanistan was just an aftermath of Commie invasion.

Pakistan supported one faction,
Indian supported another
Russians, Turks, EU all supported their favorite side.


Karachi violence and killings were the direct result of Murda wa Qattal Movement. You can't blame it all on Tali-barbarians.

Thank you

This is like saying the army has gun culture ... thats just a stupid comparison

Bhai star wars, since when Maoists and other separatists of the Eastern states of INdia are called "army".

 

[Star Wars]

Bhai star wars, since when Maoists and other separatists of the Eastern states of INdia are called "army".

Maoists are rebels... its in their necessity to have guns..its not based on the regional cultural practice regarding guns .. thats what i meant..

 

[W.11]

First of all, W11, Bombay police is actually under Maharashtra Government, not Central Government. Just like Karachi Police is under Sindh Government(I presume).

Even in Bombay half the police force was taking bribes from the gangs. They got their cut for every consignment smuggled. The same for the political parties - all got their cut.

Mumbai had an equal gun violence, the thing is that the local population in India does not have gun culture. Even then in Bombay gangs fought each other and there were daily deaths. The reason it appears to be lesser is because once it reached a high intensity, and the gangs thought they did not need the police force anymore, they started shooting at senior cops and threatened politicians. Then Bombay police started their encounters - both real and fake.

no i meant that the political representation of Karachi cannot be federal, maharashtra provincial government if its congress, does represent the federal but Karachi has never represented either the federal or even the provincial government

the reason is that karachi has a separate political status as compared to sindh, the sindh govt has no stake hold in the city because it doesn't get elected from the city, MQM does but MQM doesn't have any powers even in the provincial government

the provincial govt doesn't want to solve any issue pertaining the city of karachi because it doesn't feel obliged because of their absence from karachi

 

[FaujHistorian]

Maoists are rebels... its in their necessity to have guns..its not based on the regional cultural practice regarding guns .. thats what i meant..

OK Bhai sahib.

anti-state criminals are criminals.

you cannot say our criminals have a right to use guns against the state
but
yours cannot.


Peace