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Kannada actor-turned-politician Ramya gets criticism and trolled for her comment on Pakistan

well it was sarcasm because jingoism is often taken as patriotism thats why those who praise Pakistani are considered as traitors in India as nationalist will expect you to hate Pakistani people in order to prove that you are patriot Indian. I have seen criticism against naseer uddin, Mahesh bhatt, Om puri because they have said some good words for Pakistan

I'm not one of those to go around buttonholing people and telling them good words about Pakistan. Haven't been there. But I don't see why somebody else shouldn't say nice things. Harassing them for saying what they did is totally bizarre.

She tweeted about her positive experience in Pakistan. Whats there to make it emotional issue and why people feel the need to protest?
 
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If Ramya can be charged with sedition why not PM and others?
Modi government has scrapped 1,159 obsolete laws, so why not the utterly misused section 124-A?

Actor-turned-politician Ramya, whose real name is Divya Spandana, recently visited Pakistan to attend the SAARC summit for young parliamentarians. After her visit she expressed her views on the overall experience, saying the people of Pakistan were very welcoming and once they knew she was from India, they went out of their way to make her stay comfortable.

Refuting defence minister Manohar Parrikar's statement that "going to Pakistan is like going to hell" she said, "Pakistan is not hell. People there are just like us. They treated us very well".

Her statement that Pakistan is not hell was enough to outrage Pakistan baiters and Pakistan haters. A petition was filed against her at the judicial magistrate's court demanding that she should be booked under sedition charges for her comments.

The private petition was filed by advocate Vithal Gowda who was apparently appalled that she dared praise Pakistan. A case under CrPC Section 200 has been filed against Ramya. A petition has also been filed, asking the police to file a complaint against her under IPC Section 334. The case will be heard on August 27.

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Saying 'Pakistan is not hell' has led to sedition charges being filed against actor-turned-politician Ramya.
The moot question is - can calling "Pakistan is not hell" be termed seditious? And if her utterances warrant sedition charges, what about other Indian leaders who visited Pakistan or praised it? Shouldn't similar charges been made against all of them?

Why a sedition law that can be more misused then used?

Last year, Prime Minister Narendra Modi not only went to Pakistan but spent over an hour at his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif's ancestral home near Lahore. After the visit, he tweeted:







If Ramya's visit and statement warrant sedition charges, then why not Narendra Modi's visit and tweets? Like Ramya, he too went there and praised his host.

Also read: Ramya doesn't deserve sedition; India must throw the law out

Similarly, Sushma Swaraj and Rajnath Singh, too, went there. Should they also face criminal cases? In 2005, LK Advani went to Pakistan and said, "there is a little bit of India in every Pakistani and a little bit of Pakistan in every Indian."

If Ramya's statement is sedition, then Advani's words were blasphemous. But no one was booked, then why target Ramya?

It certainly reeks of cheap publicity by those who want to generate controversy at the cost of Ramya. And also to enhance their political graph by nurturing the extreme rightwing Hindutva fringes. There is no doubt that this charge will not withstand judicial scrutiny.

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Sedition charges were filed against Amnesty International India for an event on Kashmir in Bangalore.
We have seen how the sedition law has become one of the most misused sections of the Indian Penal Code. It has been used against Amnesty International India, Kanhaiya Kumar, Hardik Patel, S Kovan, Aseem Trivedi, Seema Azad, Arundhati Roy, Binayak Sen and Praveen Togadia to name a few.

Also read: How ABVP used sedition to silence Amnesty India

While Ramya is facing it for saying "Pakistan is not hell", Praveen Togadia had been charged with sedition for violating a ban order and carrying a trident. How can either of that be considered sedition?

In 1922, Mahatma Gandhi said, "Section 124-A, under which I am happily charged, is perhaps the prince among the political sections of the IPC designed to suppress the liberty of the citizen."

Later India's first PM, Jawaharlal Nehru, described Section 124-A as "highly objectionable and obnoxious" and told Parliament, "The sooner we get rid of it the better."

It is shameful, that despite the wishes of leaders like Gandhi and Nehru to scrap the sedition law, it still holds a pride of place in our law books.

If we want to make our democracy strong and nurture one of its basic tenets, that is freedom of speech, then this law has to go.

Narendra Modi government, which has scrapped 1,159 obsolete laws, must scrap India's most misused law, namely section 124-A.

But I worry if calling for the scraping of the sedition law may itself be considered seditious now?
 
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If Ramya can be charged with sedition why not PM and others?
Modi government has scrapped 1,159 obsolete laws, so why not the utterly misused section 124-A?
Actor-turned-politician Ramya, whose real name is Divya Spandana, recently visited Pakistan to attend the SAARC summit for young parliamentarians. After her visit she expressed her views on the overall experience, saying the people of Pakistan were very welcoming and once they knew she was from India, they went out of their way to make her stay comfortable.

Refuting defence minister Manohar Parrikar's statement that "going to Pakistan is like going to hell" she said, "Pakistan is not hell. People there are just like us. They treated us very well".

Her statement that Pakistan is not hell was enough to outrage Pakistan baiters and Pakistan haters. A petition was filed against her at the judicial magistrate's court demanding that she should be booked under sedition charges for her comments.

The private petition was filed by advocate Vithal Gowda who was apparently appalled that she dared praise Pakistan. A case under CrPC Section 200 has been filed against Ramya. A petition has also been filed, asking the police to file a complaint against her under IPC Section 334. The case will be heard on August 27.


Saying 'Pakistan is not hell' has led to sedition charges being filed against actor-turned-politician Ramya.
The moot question is - can calling "Pakistan is not hell" be termed seditious? And if her utterances warrant sedition charges, what about other Indian leaders who visited Pakistan or praised it? Shouldn't similar charges been made against all of them?

Why a sedition law that can be more misused then used?

Last year, Prime Minister Narendra Modi not only went to Pakistan but spent over an hour at his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif's ancestral home near Lahore. After the visit, he tweeted:

https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/680414259465945089





If Ramya's visit and statement warrant sedition charges, then why not Narendra Modi's visit and tweets? Like Ramya, he too went there and praised his host.

Also read: Ramya doesn't deserve sedition; India must throw the law out

Similarly, Sushma Swaraj and Rajnath Singh, too, went there. Should they also face criminal cases? In 2005, LK Advani went to Pakistan and said, "there is a little bit of India in every Pakistani and a little bit of Pakistan in every Indian."

If Ramya's statement is sedition, then Advani's words were blasphemous. But no one was booked, then why target Ramya?

It certainly reeks of cheap publicity by those who want to generate controversy at the cost of Ramya. And also to enhance their political graph by nurturing the extreme rightwing Hindutva fringes. There is no doubt that this charge will not withstand judicial scrutiny.

ramya-amnesty-sediti_082316071722.jpg

Sedition charges were filed against Amnesty International India for an event on Kashmir in Bangalore.
We have seen how the sedition law has become one of the most misused sections of the Indian Penal Code. It has been used against Amnesty International India, Kanhaiya Kumar, Hardik Patel, S Kovan, Aseem Trivedi, Seema Azad, Arundhati Roy, Binayak Sen and Praveen Togadia to name a few.

Also read: How ABVP used sedition to silence Amnesty India

While Ramya is facing it for saying "Pakistan is not hell", Praveen Togadia had been charged with sedition for violating a ban order and carrying a trident. How can either of that be considered sedition?

In 1922, Mahatma Gandhi said, "Section 124-A, under which I am happily charged, is perhaps the prince among the political sections of the IPC designed to suppress the liberty of the citizen."

Later India's first PM, Jawaharlal Nehru, described Section 124-A as "highly objectionable and obnoxious" and told Parliament, "The sooner we get rid of it the better."

It is shameful, that despite the wishes of leaders like Gandhi and Nehru to scrap the sedition law, it still holds a pride of place in our law books.

If we want to make our democracy strong and nurture one of its basic tenets, that is freedom of speech, then this law has to go.

Narendra Modi government, which has scrapped 1,159 obsolete laws, must scrap India's most misused law, namely section 124-A.

But I worry if calling for the scraping of the sedition law may itself be considered seditious now?
Cases get lodged against the PM/ruling party members all the time. The Judiciary is a part and parcel of the Democracy.
 
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That's not her fault neither refusing to say Pakistan is hell.
Who on the earth said anything about fault?
@Joe Shearer why the neg rating? you were so enthusiastic about "truth" by ramya but won't like truth about her connections to SM Krishna? I mean, her experience with recent trip combined with the fact that her biological father was external affairs minister of india (no pun whatsoever intended) give more legitimacy to her statement?

@SarthakGanguly she is the daughter of our ex-external minister. Would that be totally irrelevant?
 
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This is totally idiotic. What she said was based on her personal experience of her trip to Pakistan.
If tomorrow I visits China and then come back and claim that it is much cleaner then India should I also face sedation charges? Refusing to agree with Manohar Parikar on his personal remarks on Pakistan is now anti-national in India. Freaking retards.
 
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Who on the earth said anything about fault?
@Joe Shearer why the neg rating? you were so enthusiastic about "truth" by ramya but won't like truth about her connections to SM Krishna? I mean, her experience with recent trip combined with the fact that her biological father was external affairs minister of india (no pun whatsoever intended) give more legitimacy to her statement?

@SarthakGanguly she is the daughter of our ex-external minister. Would that be totally irrelevant?
Your comment about she is illegitimate kid is irrelevant to topic.

You don't seem to get it.

Any Indian citizen CAN book a case with a charge. Does not mean he/she MUST.
Yes did not know that indians are such velley. Reactions of nationalist to her tweet is quiet silly
 
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Your comment about she is illegitimate kid is irrelevant to topic.
She is illegitimate child of former external affairs minister. That is the point. emphasis on child of SM Krishna, not on illegitimate.. Words spoken by daughter of former external affairs minister carries some weight, don't you think.. otherwise she is a nobody...
 
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I haven't read the article, but it's probably a private individual not the state.

Ridiculous in either case.

@Joe Shearer very strange sedition charges just for saying that Pakistani treated us well

Actor-politician Ramya, charged with sedition, says she won't apologise for 'Pakistan not hell' remark


"Pakistan is not hell. People are just like us. They treated us very well," actor-politician Ramya had said.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...charge-pakistan-not-hell-remark/1/746579.html



Come on she was sharing her personal experience and those who are abusing her never been to Pakistan

She was speaking for herself and was not speaking on behalf of all Indians so dont know why others are having issues with her positive experience?

@Sneaker

It is vile to bring in the personal background of an individual to attack her. The question of relevance does not arise.

Cases get lodged against the PM/ruling party members all the time. The Judiciary is a part and parcel of the Democracy.

This is the last time that I shall intervene in such meaningless threads.

Cases getting lodged is part of the hazardous existence in India. Frivolous cases should be sternly discouraged by the judiciary.

What you are referring to is the judicial system, not the judiciary. The judiciary carries no responsibility for this nonsense. The judicial system is in urgent need of fundamental reform, and it is due to its deficiencies that such nonsense is seen to happen.
 
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Everybody entitled to have his / her own personal opinion but it seems hatred for Pakistan is sky high even a positive point of view is not tolerable now a days in The Biggest Democracy.
 
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@Sneaker

It is vile to bring in the personal background of an individual to attack her. The question of relevance does not arise
where did I attack her? eventhouh she is illegitimate child, her relation with SM Krishna is very good. it gives more weightage to her statement. imagine if she was legitimate daughter, all headlines would scream that former external affairs minister's daughter says pakistanis are good, right? now, if that is not considered personal attack, how come stating a mere fact that she is illegitamate daughter changes into a personal attack on her? if it is personal attack, it would be against mainly whoever fathered her but refusing social acknowledgement of the same....
 
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