'Kabul is less conservative than Pakistani cities'

[Abu Zolfiqar]

this has got to be one of the most shallow analyses i've seen on PDF....okay so whiskey flows at a few (heavily guarded) compounds in Kabul where some local Afghans (who probably got rich off this war) party and get tipsy with a few contractors and aid employees who are there on 6-12 month contracts (and making a killing too, as danger-pay is certainly handsome)

less calls to prayer in Kabul means its less conservative.....next they'll say you see more mini-skirts in Kabul than you do in Waziristan


yes, we certainly know how "liberal" things are there....Karzai (of all people) was the one to set up a commission to investigate the Kabul Bank Scandal (didnt his late brother -a drug lord- make gains from that number).......opium/poppy cultivation from this increasingly narco-state is on the rise exponentially


yes NATO-administered Kabul is a liberal paradise.....but for "how long"


now to be fair, there is some truth here.......my father grew up in tribal areas but his father was a diplomat in Masshad (Iran). Him and his friends used to take bus from Peshawar to Kabul and picnic there. They had theaters, they certainly had girls in dresses and no hijab. Kabul being the capital is where merchants and people of all ethnic groups were in a melting pot. So of course Kabul would be "liberal" compared to certain cities or provinces across the border in Pakistan.

But look at Islamabad, Karachi, Lahore........you cant exactly call these main cities as "conservative" given how much freedom there is for civil society/rights groups/womens groups/arts groups etc.


we never had burqas in my native Peshawar until the Afghans came.........(true story)

 

[Paan Singh]

you did development and still they bombed your embassy and killed your civilian.. I think that's called a sluttty karma going after bitchy guys

and a history check for a moron. Afghans destroyed their own country through their own deeds. Just like you helped tamils tigers of srilanks to keep your backyard save, we did the same in afgan.

A-stan have been play ground for various agencies and for sake of strategic depth,you brought destruction.Every body knows who bombed indian embassy..

Soviets never came for invading pakistan or warm waters.You can see even debates even on ur own channels.There are different claims about it.Soviets were self invited by afgans to sort out mess of mullahs.

Even b/w 1990 and 2000,A-stan was under paksitani supervision and how much u helped them? ..

even mushy admitted that they raised terror groups in that time..

if paksitan wanted,you could help them but u dint..but now you shud forget about so called strategic depth..

 

[Kompromat]

A-stan have been play ground for various agencies and for sake of strategic depth,you brought destruction.Every body knows who bombed indian embassy..

Soviets never came for invading pakistan or warm waters.You can see even debates even on ur own channels.There are different claims about it.Soviets were self invited by afgans to sort out mess of mullahs.

Even b/w 1990 and 2000,A-stan was under paksitani supervision and how much u helped them? ..

even mushy admitted that they raised terror groups in that time..

if paksitan wanted,you could help them but u dint..but now you shud forget about so called strategic depth..

Ignorance indeed has wings 2.0

 

[Paan Singh]

Ignorance indeed has wings 2.0

i meant to say that u controlled them indirectly ...

 

[Secur]

if paksitan wanted,you could help them but u dint..but now you shud forget about so called strategic depth..

Kid , nobody wanted it in the first place , I challenge you to show me a single statement from any member of the Pakistan Army top brass , who needs some ******* depth when we can nuke our enemies to oblivion ? ...

 

[Kompromat]

i meant to say that u controlled them indirectly ...

And evidence of that is ..... ?

 

[Bratva]

A-stan have been play ground for various agencies and for sake of strategic depth,you brought destruction.Every body knows who bombed indian embassy..

Soviets never came for invading pakistan or warm waters.You can see even debates even on ur own channels.There are different claims about it.Soviets were self invited by afgans to sort out mess of mullahs.

Even b/w 1990 and 2000,A-stan was under paksitani supervision and how much u helped them? ..

even mushy admitted that they raised terror groups in that time..

if paksitan wanted,you could help them but u dint..but now you shud forget about so called strategic depth..

lets take an example of srilanka. For the sake of strategic depth you sent your army, helped tamil tigers, than why didnt situation in srilanka stabilized? Pakistan did the same, helped people over there to bring stability factor and thpse people grew so strong that they refused to listen to Pakistan. Than in this case how could pakistan have made afganistan better?

Yeah we all know taliban bombed indian embassy. It's your delusional minds who see hand of pakistan in this.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

You clearly are ignorant of history, but then again your interest isn't in historical accuracy. Just another bast Ind trying to troll. We take people like you and sell them in Pakistan.

funny thing is, the indians were the one who openly supported and backed the soviet invasion of Afghanistan and then claim it was Pakistan that "destroyed" Afghanistan

Here are some facts and figures for our "esteemed", rather rambunctious indian guests on this forum:


--Most successful professionals in today’s Afghan society studied in Pakistan. They dominate the work place not only in government offices, international organizations and NGOs but also as professionals, businessmen, and skilled and semi-skilled workers.

--Afghan graduates from Pakistani universities are paid significantly higher salaries than graduates from any other neighboring country.

--Pakistan is further providing 2,000 fully funded graduate and post-graduate scholarships to Afghan students in its institutions of higher learning over the next four years. The placements are being made in ten different fields from medicine to IT to agriculture. The first batch of the students under this programme had already left for Pakistan early this year.

--Providing consistent and across the board education and capacity building opportunities is Pakistan’s greatest gift to the people of Afghanistan and it is considered so innate that it is hardly mentioned in any discourse in Kabul. Of course the propaganda artists (with their vested interests) hide this "shameful" statistic from their youth

--Another important area where Pakistan has been of unlimited help to the people of Afghanistan is healthcare. Afghans are provided free medical care in Pakistan’s government hospitals, a facility that is not even available to a chunk of our own nationals!!

--Over 90 percent of Afghans who seek medical treatment abroad visit Pakistan. Most of the Afghan patients opt for free treatment at government or philanthropic healthcare facilities. Moneyed Afghan patients are welcomed by many countries but for their less fortunate compatriots only Pakistan has kept its doors opened.

--40 percent of patients in Peshawar’s major government hospitals and 11 percent patients in tertiary hospitals all over Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province are Afghans; over 50 percent patients in major government hospitals in Quetta are Afghan nationals; and two Pakistani philanthropic hospitals perform free eye surgeries on about 30,000 Afghans every year.

--Since 2001, Pakistan has also played an active, but unpublicized, role in Afghanistan’s reconstruction and providing humanitarian assistance.

Following are some of the major assistance projects which Pakistan had completed, or about to complete:

1. A state of the art Allama Iqbal Faculty at Kabul University is completed.
2. As a separate project, the Government of Pakistan is furnishing the Iqbal Faculty building.
3. The building of Sir Syed Science Faculty Block is near completion in Nangarhar University, Jalalabad.
4. The structure of Liaqat Ali Khan Engineering Faculty in Balkh University, Mazar-e-Sharif is almost complete.
5. Rehman Baba High School in Kabul was completed, where 1200 students are currently enrolled.
6. As another project on the same campus, hostel for 1000 students is under construction.
7. Donated buses for the students of Kabul University.
8. A sprawling Jinnah Hospital Complex with ten towers is under construction in Kabul. It will provide the most modern health facility in the country.
9. Civil work on Nishter Kidney Hospital in Jalalabad is completed. Afghan doctors, paramedics and technicians to run this facility are also trained in Pakistan.
10. A 200 bed Naib Aminullah Khan Logari Hospital is under construction in Logar.
11. Donated mobile field hospitals and ambulances to several provinces.
12. Construction of Torkham-Jalalabad Road in eastern Afghanistan is completed.
13. On request of the Afghan Government, Pakistan has undertaken to convert Torkham-Jalalabad road in a dual carriage highway. About 60 percent work is already completed on this project.
14. Built three intra-city roads in Jalalabad.
15. Provided earth-moving and road building machinery to various provinces.
16. Donated fifty buses for public transportation.
17. Provided cash assistance to the Afghan Government.
18. Distributed food packages to the needy and school supplies to students in large numbers.

Several other major projects, including two Eye Hospitals, Limb Centre at Badakhshan, two Nuclear Medical Centers in Kabul and Jalalabad, are either ongoing or in the pipeline.





such evil destruction we are waging on Afghanistan!



fact of the matter is, we've done more for Afghanistan than what they've done for themselves.....and then as soon as they walk back across the border they abuse us and claim we are the cause of all their ills (thanks in part to enemy propaganda and brain-washing)

 

[Tshering22]

but millions times indians say pakistan destroyed afghanistan

You're not an empire.

 

[Paan Singh]

And evidence of that is ..... ?

After the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan in 1988-89, American concern about that country and South Asia in general diminished. Pakistan, however, remained focused on its rivalry with India. During the 1990s, then, Pakistan supported the rise of the Taliban, for several reasons: to restore order in what had become a chaotic country, to promote an Islamist ally that would sympathize with Pakistan over Kashmir and thus resist Indian influence, to establish a secure road network across Afghanistan to link Pakistan with newly independent Central Asia (thus benefiting the politically powerful Pakistani trucking industry), and even to extend Pakistani influence across Afghanistan into Central Asia. The Pakistani military and security services also believed that having an ally in Afghanistan would give Pakistan “strategic depth” in any future confrontation with India (though precisely what this meant and how it would work were ill-defined and poorly thought out).

With Pakistani help, the Taliban was able to seize control of most of Afghanistan in 1996. The Taliban, though, proved to be an extremely difficult ally for Pakistan, providing safe-haven to several radical Islamist groups, including al-Qaeda. After al-Qaeda launched the 9/11 attacks and it became clear that the United States would intervene militarily in Afghanistan in retaliation, the Bush administration forced Pakistan to choose between siding with the United States or with the Taliban. Pakistan formally chose to side with the United States, not due to a genuine change of heart regarding the Taliban, but due to the fear that Washington would side with India against Pakistan if it did not, and in the hope that siding with (or appearing to side with) the United States against the Taliban would strengthen Pakistan vis-à-vis India. Anticipating that the United States would not remain in Afghanistan, and that the Taliban and perhaps even al-Qaeda might prove useful to Pakistan vis-à-vis India later, Pakistan tolerated and even supported their presence on its territory in the region bordering Afghanistan.

Middle East Policy Council | Pakistan and the "War on Terror"