Junagadh: Another Chapter of Indian Atrocities | PKKH.tv

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Pakistanis please raise the Junagarh issue in UN and OIC.
Also, the Dravidistan and Hyderabad issue.You will get back a "thenga".

 

[INDIC]

A great TV show how invasion of Kashmir unfolded along with atrocities in Baramulla by the invaders.

 

[INDIC]

You need to qualify this statement.

The Pakistani liberal does not think this way. His number is growing;.

I have heard Pakistani liberals saying that Pakistan should forget Kashmir because they are never going to get it, instead Pakistan should strengthen the country from inside. But number of liberals in Pakistan is very small.

 

[livingdead]

I have heard Pakistani liberals saying that Pakistan should forget Kashmir because they are never going to get it, instead Pakistan should strengthen the country from inside. But number of liberals in Pakistan is very small.

They already got part of kashmir. They want rest of it (except the chinese bit).
Ontopic: I believe many princely states were bribed, forced , threatened to be either with pakistan or India. This was done by british as well as other leaders because they wanted two countries which are feasible in long run (bits of pakistan in India or bits of India in pakistan would have made no sense)

I am sure many pakistanis will agree, a part of their country being thousands of mile away (east pakistan) was absurd, and bound to end up in a conflict)

 

[smackdown]

They already got part of kashmir. They want rest of it (except the chinese bit).
Ontopic: I believe many princely states were bribed, forced , threatened to be either with pakistan or India. This was done by british as well as other leaders because they wanted two countries which are feasible in long run (bits of pakistan in India or bits of India in pakistan would have made no sense)

I am sure many pakistanis will agree, a part of their country being thousands of mile away (east pakistan) was absurd, and bound to end up in a conflict)

first, there isn't much of 'bit of India in Pakistan' but lots of 'bits of Pakistan in India' gulped in by Samraj thinking.

second, yes there was bound to be conflict with India in the middle.

 

[VCheng]

Pakistanis please raise the Junagarh issue in UN and OIC.
Also, the Dravidistan and Hyderabad issue.You will get back a "thenga".

Pakistan and India are bound by the Simla Agreement to resolve their issues bilaterally, unless third party offices are agreed upon by both sides.

 

[INDIC]

first, there isn't much of 'bit of India in Pakistan' but lots of 'bits of Pakistan in India' gulped in by Samraj thinking.

second, yes there was bound to be conflict with India in the middle.

More suitable for Pakistani mentality.

 

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You need to qualify this statement.

The Pakistani liberal does not think this way. His number is growing; growing at a glacial pace, maybe, but clearly visible, very, very brave, willing to put their money where their mouths are, and have faced death and deadly assault. They want Kashmir to be negotiated out of the way, so that it is no longer a rallying cry for their own radicals and fundamentalists.

The Pakistani fauji, the normal version which probably constitutes 90% of the forces, does not think this way. They want Kashmir settled on their terms, but have always said so, and have displayed no aggressive instincts outside that; Sir Creek is negotiable, has been negotiated to a settlement, and except for provocative acts of terror, would have become history by now. Siachen and Kargil are inextricably intermingled in this section's mind, and it is not possible to convince them otherwise; they are sure that they were paying back one dastardly deed with another. As individuals, they might be disdainful of Indian loose administration that allows majoritarians to get away with more than they should, and as individuals, they might blush if an Indian within earshot clears his throat in a meaningful manner. A plebiscite in Kashmir, and reasonable parity with Indian forces, and they don't want anything more.

The normal mango Pakistani wants Kashmir back, plebiscite or no plebiscite. He has it firmly fixed in his mind that Kashmir 'belonged' to Pakistan, and no amount of logic or presentation of contrary facts will change their minds. But they will growl and grumble and heave half-a-brick towards the glass front of an Indian embassy or consular location, burn an effigy or ten, and then go home, warm with satisfaction at having fought the good fight. That's where it stops. Rioters mean nothing to India; we should let the Pakistan Police worry about that.

That leaves a sour, embittered, indoctrinated bunch who are cannon fodder for crazy fanatics who want blood, all the time, who will take to arms and sneak across the borders, who will kill civilians and state servants in cold blood, who are vulnerable to hate speeches delivered by nasty people. These are the ones for whom it is possible that Kashmir will not be the end of hatred.

It isn't as bad as we think, it is worse than we wish.

yes there are many good Pakistanis who want peace... most of them are like normal people only. But the count of extremists is very high. also their control over the country is alarming.

if India gives into Kashmir, India will give into those extremists and not the liberals (like you and me), as the liberals very much would any day settle for LOC as IB as peaceful settlement and would look for progress of both people.

Now those extremists wont change, even after giving Kashmir, as put forth by you also. The people who are calling the shots for kashmir to be given to Pakistan are the same ones who are the extremists and blowing bombs and targeting civilians. So Kashmir will be their first victory and next they will keep on terrorizing India on basis of other reasons as I put.

Giving away Kashmir is therefore not a solution or end of hostilities towards India but a starting point for Extremists to take more lands from India. The very demand, violence, terrorism perpetrated for taking away Kashmir from India is from the Extremists and not from common people of Pakistan.

The common and liberal Pakistani like a liberal and common Indian settle for LOC as IB. Giving in on Kashmir is giving into Pakistani Extremists which as you also agree are never gonna change, but make other demands one after another. Kashmir is not the end for them.

 

[bronxbull]

In General,things were happening at a good pace such that all territorial disputes could have been solved in the boardroom and populations exchanged peacefully.

But the muslim league triggered protests like Direct action day and as a result,caused distrust and a climate of kabzaa.

The brits obviously favoured the muslim league or here we can call it the weaker party,in order to create trouble in the region.

Jinnah took the bait and tried Kabzaa but lost what they hoped they would get.