Journalist Matiullah Jan goes missing

[Imran Khan]

I know bro but this is about argument at hand.



Does the name of Iman Mazari rings any bell? I will leave the rest up-to you only if you are interested to consider facts & examine all the prospects of situation.




Court has to issue orders as per pleading or as per application filed by someone. What did you expect? That's the normal practice or some kind of shocker for you to have some frenzy because Court has said so. But just that Court has said so, you need to spice it up. That's the responsibility of Court to say so. Indeed, he is arrested in daylight and everyone has the CCTV.

lets be honest sir

do you see in other countries some people come on gov cars and gov dress and abduct a person and almost 90% of country blame own gov for such crime ?


dont you think our agencies became now kidnappers in eyes of nation ? why they reached such a low point ?

just yesterday
ہر دوسرا بندہ ویگو والوں سے ڈراتا ہے۔
کسی دور میں بڑے بزرگ ڈکیتوں، بدمعاشوں،پیشہ ور قاتلوں اور انکی کہانیوں سے ڈرایا کرتے تھے۔
طاہر چودھری

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

do you see in other countries some people come on gov cars and gov dress and abduct a person

What's the difference between an abduction and arrest or legal detention per laws?


For some other members:

Stick to the topic.

If you disagree with someone's post, then provide your own rational and logical rebuttal.

 

[Death Adder]

What's the difference between an abduction and arrest or legal detention per laws?

You can arrest someone when crime is committed or arrest warrants have been issued. You can detain someone for specific period, in order to investigate a crime. Rest of the things are against the law and abduction.

 

[Dil_Pakistan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1285611889049903105

p.s: Matiullah had called 7 Supreme court judges who had referred matter to FBR as backstabbers and was probably facing contempt case in same regard...

 

[Imran Khan]

If he's actually been arrested, it will be interesting to know on what grounds.

There are plenty more high profile journalists & commentators critical of both the Establishment and PTI that one would think make better targets, if the objective is to silence critics.

Matiullah Jan's profile isn't really that big anymore - he tweets and gets a reasonable amount of interaction per tweet, and has a youtube channel with anything but an 'earth shattering' number of followers.

our point is simple
if anyone did something wrong
take his arrest warrant from judge go and offically arrest him . police should do this job not intelligence agencies . they must introduce themselves and read warrant and arrest him

bring him court take remand of as much as you can convense judge

and prove his/her crime in court and then let justice to be served


what they are doing only criminals kidnappers and killers do not gov . no matter how much you and others support them here . every paksitani know our agencies are commiting crimes against humanity and nation . its nto a secret now .

i never see USA blaming CIA when any US citizen missing
i never see Indians blaming RAW when any indian missing
i never see Britishers blaming MI-6 when any UK citizen missing


then why millions of pakistanis blaming our agencies ? because our agencies are doing it .

 

[The Eagle]

lets be honest sir

do you see in other countries some people come on gov cars and gov dress and abduct a person and almost 90% of country blame own gov for such crime ?

Imran! I don't want you to be honest to me or anyone else in this room. I want you to be honest to yourself and name me countries that didn't do so and not just that, have crossed their limits. While you honestly ask yourself, let me put up an interesting point for you that what if you never came across of such development but it only happens in such a manner in Pakistan just because we have been too soft on propaganda machines & think that Media is like a god or we are biased because of our own issues. Since, that nothing is clear to anyone or not everyone is in knowledge as how the situation arises; everyone just jumps on the gun to settle our own issues & venting frustration. All you see is like he was a mere critic.

just yesterday
ہر دوسرا بندہ ویگو والوں سے ڈراتا ہے۔
کسی دور میں بڑے بزرگ ڈکیتوں، بدمعاشوں،پیشہ ور قاتلوں اور انکی کہانیوں سے ڈرایا کرتے تھے۔
طاہر چودھری

The diarrhea & usual rants. Your point of view is seems to be your understanding on personal grounds and how you like these guys just so that they are trying to be some attention seeking trolls. If you ask me honestly, I am looking at it in far more broader aspect. Just that you can't see it; I can't force and just because I am not thinking like you; you can shove it down my throat at all. Just so that majority does not agree with you, doesn't mean everyone has to spew hate against State Institutes. You don't even know what he does and what are the charges.

Mere Bhai! let's be honest to ourselves.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You arrest someone when crime is committed or arrest warrants have been issued. You can detain someone for specific period, in order to investigate a crime. Rest of the things are against the lawless and abduction.

So, if Matiullah Jan was picked up by law enforcement institutions, we need to wait for more information and details before declaring it an abduction, since law enforcement is authorized by law to arrest/detain individuals in certain circumstances for a certain period of time.

our point is simple
if anyone did something wrong
take his arrest warrant from judge go and offically arrest him . police should do this job not intelligence agencies . they must introduce themselves and read warrant and arrest him

We have no information currently that the law was not followed.

Again, WAIT for more information to emerge before engaging in a blame game.

 

[The Eagle]

i never see USA blaming CIA when any US citizen missing
i never see Indians blaming RAW when any indian missing
i never see Britishers blaming MI-6 when any UK citizen missing


then why millions of pakistanis blaming our agencies ? because our agencies are doing it .

Let's be honest with yourself Imran. You are looking at the picture but you aren't recognizing the different colours and the reason of such a shape. Do you know anything about CIA run torture cells? Or you never know what RAW has been doing?
But honestly, what you said about Pakistani Agencies; is all because of so much of freedom of speech. Since we never put such a leash on foul mouths like him; we are facing the troll brigade and low life experts on TV pointing fingers at Agencies and we are having a field day.

You have answered yourself but unfortunately, you are not ready to accept it or even trying to look at the other side of the Coin. All you believe is the blackout about those foreign agencies.

 

[Imran Khan]

Imran! I don't want you to be honest to me or anyone else in this room. I want you to be honest to yourself and name me countries that didn't do so and not just that, have crossed their limits. While you honestly ask yourself, let me put up an interesting point for you that what if you never came across of such development but it only happens in such a manner in Pakistan just because we have been too soft on propaganda machines & think that Media is like a god or we are biased because of our own issues. Since, that nothing is clear to anyone or not everyone is in knowledge as how the situation arises; everyone just jumps on the gun to settle our own issues & venting frustration. All you see is like he was a mere critic.



The diarrhea & usual rants. Your point of view is seems to be your understanding on personal grounds and how you like these guys just so that they are trying to be some attention seeking trolls. If you ask me honestly, I am looking at it in far more broader aspect. Just that you can't see it; I can't force and just because I am not thinking like you; you can shove it down my throat at all. Just so that majority does not agree with you, doesn't mean everyone has to spew hate against State Institutes. You don't even know what he does and what are the charges.

Mere Bhai! let's be honest to ourselves.

my dear sir

if our country was transparent and clear with democratic values no one can propagate us . our own deep state is in deep mess from day-1 .our gov politicians generals judges and whole machinery is corrupt and rusted that is why people can think propagate or do whatever with us .

do we have anything clear in this country ? there is no audit on any level in this country . counter propaganda is only possible with more and more transparency not abductions and killings . this all system is corrupt . judges take positions for money with money generals control politics (against their oath ) and do corruption .politicians busy in corruption and looting for next elections .institutions are corrupt till core and jahil bureaucracy running this country like 18th century . in one line - this country is corrupt morale-less till core .

people here are worshiper rather then supporters

 

[Imran Khan]

So, if Matiullah Jan was picked up by law enforcement institutions, we need to wait for more information and details before declaring it an abduction, since law enforcement is authorized by law to arrest/detain individuals in certain circumstances for a certain period of time.


We have no information currently that the law was not followed.

Again, WAIT for more information to emerge before engaging in a blame game.

we have no information because our system is rotten till core . agencies want to teach him a lesson but camera make it worse now after 15 hours agencies have no courage to say we pick him . till morning they will fabricate some story for court and poor guy will not be killed but just tortured and released . otherwise its take just 3 minutes to send sms that we arrest him .

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

we have no information because our system is rotten till core . agencies want to teach him a lesson but camera make it worse now after 15 hours agencies have no courage to say we pick him . till morning they will fabricate some story for court and poor guy will not be killed but just tortured and released . otherwise its take just 3 minutes to send sms that we arrest him .

I agree with you that if he was arrested by the State, that the optics were handled extremely poorly. I said as much in my first post on this thread, that the arrest of a high profile individual should have meant that a press release was ready to address the backlash.

But poor optics don't equal unlawful - the latter part is what I keep reminding everyone about in terms of waiting for more information.

 

[Death Adder]

So, if Matiullah Jan was picked up by law enforcement institutions, we need to wait for more information and details before declaring it an abduction, since law enforcement is authorized by law to arrest/detain individuals in certain circumstances for a certain period of time.

Sir, with all due respect its a lawless abduction and on top of that poorly planned abduction.
As i mentioned to arrest someone you need warrants. To get warrants you need to prove someone’s involvement in crime. You can detain someone to investigate a crime. For example, you’re stopped by police because they have information that a person matching your description is involve in crime, they can detain you to verify that information. If you’re not that person they will release you.

 

[Jamie Brooks]

Your very emotional post, and your 42 posts thus far, say a lot that you have a lot to learn and understand. Spend few years in PDF and then reflect on this post of yours.

World is a very dangerous place at the moment, this is all I can tell you for now.

My emotions aside ,your response was not wise sir..a small journalist like him posed no threat to anyone.... we are nothing but a laughing stock infront of the world as global media headlines this news ... is this the image we are giving off? If someone is guilty then he should be properly arrested by the police ..and given a trial in court.... but just picking him up in front of his wife’s school like its a joke. Half the pakistani internet warriors blaming army for this as he wrote against them, some blaming IB, others taliban abduction. Makes one feel what a nice country we are living in. All over the world If a journalist is spreading false information people And institutions sue for defamation. But we here are the land of the pure where every institution likes to play god and judge people how they see fit. I know the war being waged against pakistan by spreading false information and turning the country against itself, i also realize some terrible people in media outlets are involved in it but this is not the way. We are just putting more wood into the fire like this.

 

[Imran Khan]

Pakistani lifafas and supporters of some political parties and people like you should learn from them. Un countries main anti state people ko itni azadi nhi ha keh cia or raw k khilaf propaganda Kar skain

people like you also need to learn that military is not saint nor farishtas . they are paksitanis and they have equal shear in this mess of nation . dont give yourself to them fully

go read how British generals were sick of desi officers after independence
how first desi general became army chief and from his first day he involved in politics till he imposed marshal law
go read how other general fight a war in east paksitan and what was result
please watch video of 90 days promise of general zia which end at his death after 11 years
then after that how military involved in politics to not stabilize democracy till next general come to power
i think you know afterward
how US commando choppers came and do operation deep inside pakistan .
how asif ghafoor turned hundreds of people anti nationals like BJP style .


you need to free yourself from chains of loyalty (slavery ) before asking me to learn sir .

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Sir, with all due respect its a lawless abduction and on top of that poorly planned abduction.
As i mentioned to arrest someone you need warrants. To get warrants you need to prove someone’s involvement in crime. You can detain someone to investigate a crime. For example, you’re stopped by police because they have information that a person matching your description is involve in crime, they can detain you to verify that information. If you’re not that person they will release you.

You don't need a warrant for an arrest all the time. People get arrested during traffic stops or other locations on suspicion of committing a crime etc in the US all the time. That's one of the criticisms of US law enforcement, that racial profiling means that black people get targeted and arrested far more than any other demographic. But arrest and detention without a warrant (for a time period specified under law) is by no means in itself unlawful.

Again, wait for more information. If he's been arrested, then the arresting agency will likely explain under what law and what charges.