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May I ask are you Iranian or Pakistani?Well
Ps. Quality discussion going on here gents. Joy to read.
@Philosopher et al
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May I ask are you Iranian or Pakistani?Well
Iran will fall for it again.
His second term will end in August 2021 anyway. And a president cannot get elected more than two times in Iran. So, he will be flushed down the toilet for good.Return JCPOA? What terms?
Sleepy Joe can NOT just return without Iran further concession, otherwise Republic will make a hell a lot of trouble in Senate.
Also if I am Joe, I will ask concession from Iran as well. Why not.
It seems to me that Iran is more than glad to rejoin JCPOA, so definitely there are more rooms to renegotiate.
I would say Obama is not doing well on the first JCPOA negotiation. Apparently there are more room to pressure Iran, at least Trump did that for years, make more damage, but no bombs made.
Joe will take Trump legacy, and take advantage of it. Rouhani will be the most unpopular president in Iran history book, and I expect him step down soon later in 2021.
By the way, I am on Iran side. I am just analyzing from a normal Chinese view.
Well, its time for Iran to cash out the situation in its favor wisely, even its short term. Right now Iran went through alot in the form of assassinations . But its time to absorb those losses and look for bigger economic gains.It's called game of "good cop/bad cop" and Iran will fall for it again. Then in the next election cycle Iran will get screwed again by the "bad cop". Thus are fools in this world. What is that about fool me once, fool me twice????
Throwing stones in glass houses is not a good idea. How did Pakistan react when America literally 'invaded' Pakistan when it attacked Abottabad. Or how did it react to dailt American droning of it's territory?They killed their general and I was concerned as to how Iran would react. Later, the Iranians shot down their own passenger plane and I got my answer.
Throwing stones in glass houses is not a good idea. How did Pakistan react when America literally 'invaded' Pakistan when it attacked Abottabad. Or how did it react to dailt American droning of it's territory?
Rouhani should take a very close look into North Korea case. Those Americans are not reasonable guys you can really negotiate with.His second term will end in August 2021 anyway. And a president cannot get elected more than two times in Iran. So, he will be flushed down the toilet for good.
And you're absolutely right. Trump proved that no matter how much you pressure the Islamic Republic regime, they do not have the balls for making a bold, game-changing move. And you are absolutely right that Biden will use Trump's legacy to reach a better deal; better for Americans, of course. What people fail to understand is that the status quo is pretty good for the Americans. They're literally having their cake and eating it too. Why would Biden want to change that without Iran trying to change the status quo?
Return JCPOA? What terms?
Sleepy Joe can NOT just return without Iran further concession, otherwise Republic will make a hell a lot of trouble in Senate.
Also if I am Joe, I will ask concession from Iran as well. Why not.
It seems to me that Iran is more than glad to rejoin JCPOA, so definitely there are more rooms to renegotiate.
I would say Obama is not doing well on the first JCPOA negotiation. Apparently there are more room to pressure Iran, at least Trump did that for years, make more damage, but no bombs made.
Joe will take Trump legacy, and take advantage of it. Rouhani will be the most unpopular president in Iran history book, and I expect him step down soon later in 2021.
By the way, I am on Iran side. I am just analyzing from a normal Chinese view.
May I ask are you Iranian or Pakistani?
Ps. Quality discussion going on here gents. Joy to read.
@Philosopher et al
Trump proved that no matter how much you pressure the Islamic Republic regime, they do not have the balls for making a bold, game-changing move.
And you are absolutely right that Biden will use Trump's legacy to reach a better deal; better for Americans, of course. What people fail to understand is that the status quo is pretty good for the Americans. They're literally having their cake and eating it too. Why would Biden want to change that without Iran trying to change the status quo?
Source for these numbers?
Actually, you do. You first put pressure on them to see their reaction. If you see no reaction, you will progressively increase pressure on them and entrench them. A game changing move is a move that leads to them recalculating their strategy. As long as they see no such move, they will continue to entrench Iran militarily, economically and politically.You don't pressure a country in order to test whether it will make game changing moves, you do so to reach specific, pre-defined objectives and extract concrete concessions. In that sense, Trump's pressure campaign failed miserably. Its explicitly stated objective was to force Iran to the negotiation table and to accept more unfavorable terms than the JCPOA itself. But Iran did not comply and resisted the pressures.
I don't know to be honest. Decisions like this are made by the system, not only one person. Everyone knows that I hate Rouhani with a passion, but I don't think he is solely responsible for the JCPOA scandal. Khamenei gave him the green light and allowed him to stay in power for 8 years.I agree that this is what the Biden regime will try to do. An unconditional return of the US to the JCPOA is unlikely in my opinion. And of course the reformists and moderates in Iran are going to be willing to accept the new conditions. However, it is also highly unlikely that Majles and Supreme Leader would ratify such demands.
Key will be the upcoming presidential election, which the Americans aren't oblivious to. So we might see them relax certain restrictions imposed on Iran without reintegrating the JCPOA, in order to provide ammunition to Iranian liberals for the 2021 election. If Zarif is elected, this will increase chances for American participation in a JCPOA revised to America's benefit. But even in that scenario, I consider it unlikely that Majles and Supreme Leader will play along this time around.