Jim Traficant talks about Jewish control of America

[hack]

I agree that there does need to be a separation of church and state. but regards to the government establishing a state religion.
do you know where the term "separation of church and state" came from?

The Danbury Baptist Association of Danbury, Connecticut sent a letter, dated October 7, 1801, to the newly elected President Thomas Jefferson, expressing concern over the lack in their state constitution of explicit protection of religious liberty, and against a government establishment of religion.

In their letter to the President, the Danbury Baptists affirmed that "Our Sentiments are uniformly on the side of Religious Liberty — That Religion is at all times and places a matter between God and individuals — That no man ought to suffer in name, person, or effects on account of his religious Opinions - That the legitimate Power of civil government extends no further than to punish the man who works ill to his neighbor..."

As a religious minority in Connecticut, the Danbury Baptists were concerned that a religious majority might "reproach their chief Magistrate... because he will not, dare not assume the prerogatives of Jehovah and make Laws to govern the Kingdom of Christ," thus establishing a state religion at the cost of the liberties of religious minorities.

Thomas Jefferson's response, dated January 1, 1802, concurs with the Danbury Baptists' views on religious liberty, and the accompanying separation of civil government from concerns of religious doctrine and practice. Jefferson writes: "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

However the Government notion of not allowing kids in school or people in government to pray. is in terms of history a rather recent development. history tends to point that the founding fathers did not have this in mind since it was common practice and encouraged until just a few decades ago.

I never intended the meaning of the separation of the church and state as meaning that kids should not pray in school etc..I personally find this interpretation of the idea stupid.What I am concerned about is that we have freedom to practice our religion here..be it any and that the state will not favor one party over the other based on your religious affiliation.This is the foundation of the American society.

That being so how can you justify support for a religious state where a fifth of the people(arab Israelis) are discriminated against wrt to rights because of religion,they are not allowed to participate freely in election,their parties get banned regularly. This is contrary to the American way.

As I said Israel has more in common with Saudi Arabia than the United States.

 

[gubbi]

I think he was just relating his personal experience in Congress regarding AIPAC control.

It corroborates the article's claims with first hand evidence.

Nobody denies the role of AIPAC, though its strictly off limits in the US of A because of the likes of Thomas! Nothing personal, mate.
He must in all probability know how AIPAC works, but why come out now, after losing everything?
Doesnt it seem like he wants to blame 'someone' for his shortcomings? Thats a very common trait among humans, more out and prominent among the Politicians!

 

[Thomas]

Wow Dude! That is pretty closed minded dont you think!!

I mean, knowing who God gives his favors to? How can you claim something like that?!

you can see it for yourself in action today. did Israel not return from exile not 1x but 3x. as a people have they not destroyed every attempt since 1948 to invade and drive them into the sea?

 

[gubbi]

Scripture also says that God will open their eyes to the truth before the messiahs second coming. when he will return as the Lion of Judah rather then the Lamb of God.

I've got a question. Why do you need a Second coming?

Seriously, not to sound offending, but listening/reading all these 'religious' stories, I might as well start believing that Santa has some serious real estate at the NP and animals can really talk, i.e. hold conversations, as in Aesop's fables and Panchatantra tales!

 

[TaimiKhan]

They hold God's favor.

Wow, they hold God's favor, now i understand why they are & have killed so far thousands of innocent human beings including , God's lovely creation with such barbarity.

Below is what God favored nation is doing to its creation & after such inhuman atrocities they will still remain God's favored is a shocker to learn. I guess you people have lost the identity of true God, which includes Christians of USA also as with their tax money God's creation is being killed with. You people shouldn't use the word God, rather god would be better as people doing such inhuman acts don't know which God they follow, becoz the GOD which created humans to live in peace would not be allowing anyone to kill HIS beautiful creation no matter how favored they are to HIM. People like you are disgusting, I hope one day USA sees this kind of day, the ones shown below, may be then you people realize how it feels to see your loved ones killed without having done anything to receive such death.

These are all little babies, what had they done to receive such barbaric treatment ?? People like you are disgusting & a shame on the face of humanity, even the angels would have cried seeing HIS creations most innocent creation having been killed in their sleep.

God willing Jews & U would be the God's most hated & despicable nation & will rot in hells most worst part together.

 

[Developereo]

Actually I would be curious if there is any restriction in the US Constitution regarding religion and foreign policy.

 

[hack]

Actually I would be curious if there is any restriction in the US Constitution regarding religion and foreign policy.

Not explicitly but as the constitution prohibits against the discrimination in domestic policy why would it be different in foreign policy?

 

[gubbi]

Wow, they hold God's favor, now i understand why they are & have killed so far thousands of innocent human beings including , God's lovely creation with such barbarity.

Below is what God favored nation is doing to its creation & after such inhuman atrocities they will still remain God's favored is a shocker to learn. I guess you people have lost the identity of true God, which includes Christians of USA also as with their tax money God's creation is being killed with. You people shouldn't use the word God, rather god would be better as people doing such inhuman acts don't know which God they follow, becoz the GOD which created humans to live in peace would not be allowing anyone to kill HIS beautiful creation no matter how favored they are to HIM. People like you are disgusting, I hope one day USA sees this kind of day, the ones shown below, may be then you people realize how it feels to see your loved ones killed without having done anything to receive such death.

These are all little babies, what had they done to receive such barbaric treatment ?? People like you are disgusting & a shame on the face of humanity, even the angels would have cried seeing HIS creations most innocent creation having been killed in their sleep.

God willing Jews & U would be the God's most hated & despicable nation & will rot in hells most worst part together.

First of all, post a warning to people about Graphic images!!

Secondly, as disgusting as the action are which led to such tragedies, you cannot blame any religion. If you want to blame, then Islam is not that innocent either!
Blame those religious fanatics for these acts, fanatics exist in all faiths! More so, in those faiths which are used/usurped by politicians to sway/control people and power! Religion is the ultimate means to achieve power. Think hard and you will see everywhere a power struggle creeps up, religion is misused!
Its all about Power mate!!

Once again, post warning before posting such images.
Thanks.

 

[Developereo]

I never intended the meaning of the separation of the church and state as meaning that kids should not pray in school etc..I personally find this interpretation of the idea stupid.

I think that restriction only applies to institutions that receive public funds. It would be construed as "respecting an establishment of religion". And it could be argued that if the prayer is led by an authority figure, it would not be a "free exercise thereof".

However, I see no reason to ban voluntary student-led prayers, as long as all religions are accorded the facility.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

[fhassan]

They are going to show favor to them.

No Muslim country will ever be victorious against Israel in driving them out. They hold God's favor.

And before you make the argument that it was man and not God that gave them Palestine. Know this God uses men a lot of the time in orchestrating events.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Gods chosen people, and their "God-Orchestrated" activities:

(What cute Kids - Gods Chosen people of course)

Pesky Arab kids – they deserve it, they are not chosen by God.

“God chose me you stupid Cow, get out of my way!”



“Get out of my way you pesky Arab Muslim Woman, God is my estate agent and he gave me this land” - Ah, what a cute Kid.

 

[TaimiKhan]

First of all, post a warning to people about Graphic images!!

Secondly, as disgusting as the action are which led to such tragedies, you cannot blame any religion. If you want to blame, then Islam is not that innocent either!
Blame those religious fanatics for these acts, fanatics exist in all faiths! More so, in those faiths which are used/usurped by politicians to sway/control people and power! Religion is the ultimate means to achieve power. Think hard and you will see everywhere a power struggle creeps up, religion is misused!
Its all about Power mate!!

Once again, post warning before posting such images.
Thanks.

Kindly read the post again, i did not emphasized on religion, it was the term God's favor which made me post such graphical kind of post. As Jews call themselves the God's favorite nation.

Point to express was that do God's Favorite nation act in such a way.

And my bad for not telling before about the graphical nature of the post. Ummmm how to post a warning to it ?? anyway out ??

 

[hack]

I think that restriction only applies to institutions that receive public funds. It would be construed as "respecting an establishment of religion". And it could be argued that if the prayer is led by an authority figure, it would not be a "free exercise thereof".

However, I see no reason to ban voluntary student-led prayers, as long as all religions are accorded the facility.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Yes..it is for public schools but as long as every one is allowed to pray what is the problem?The secular crowd sometimes goes too far like the recent fad of saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. Such things piss off most people(hell it pisses me off and I am not even a Christian!!) and gives more power to the social conservatives.

 

[Developereo]

Not explicitly but as the constitution prohibits against the discrimination in domestic policy why would it be different in foreign policy?

Well. That's my point. The Constitution only applies to domestic policy.

Although there is something about only Congress having the right to declare war, so maybe there are some restrictions on foreign policy also.

 

[Developereo]

Yes..it is for public schools but as long as every one is allowed to pray what is the problem?

As long as it's voluntary and student-led, I don't see a problem.

Otherwise, if it's forced, then kids of another religion would feel marginalized and different.

 

[pkd]

it was already over. he was convicted in 2002 of taking bribes, racketeering, and tax evasion. He got out of prison this year. You can see the bitterness in him when he talks.

It's not as simple as you are tried to sound. There is background behind the story.


Jim Traficant went over to Israel and got that guy out of jail over there that the jews had said was a 'concentration camp' guard. Dukmajin, or something. The Israeli judges had declared that there was no evidence against him, but none the less, he was in jail in Israel, and Traficant got him released somehow. The jews hated him for doing this.
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