Jim Traficant talks about Jewish control of America

[Developereo]

Read this, John Mersheimer and Stephen Walt's paper titled "The Israel Lobby" Nice work.

It seems to agree with what Jim Traficant said, so I don't understand your objection.

 

[abbasniazi]

People talking about isreal as a country so much but it would be hard for them to hear it from someone who has Isreali blood in his veins, and i think that person would be in a better position to express what an isreali feels and could probably do, Let me introduce u to that person, meet ME, i am someone who has isreali blood in my veins, but ALHAM-DU-LILLAH, my tribe was one of the very few jew tribes who had the honour of embracing islam on the hand of the greatest man and prophet that time could possibly see, HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SALLALAH-O-ALIHI-WA-AALIHI-WASALIM, my tribe and specially my family maintains a proper family tree and from that i have learnt that we are the children of HAZRAT BINYAMEEN(A.S) who west calls benjamin the second son of HAZRAT BIBI RAHEEL(A.S) which west knows as Racheal, now after this introduction i am in a position to tell u that the isrealis were blessed with so many things from the almighty but they always turned out to be ungreatfull people, the ones who'd not fulfill their promises and they were punished again and again by the almighty, i think we were one of the few isrealis who were granted forgivness by the almighty thats why he showed us the right path and we embraced islam and since then have been shedding our blood for the pride and protection of this glorious and the ultimate code of life and afterlife, as far as THOMAS's remarks are concerned, i must tell him(if he is not aware of the fact) that the principals/rules of the almighty are the same from the very begining, for example "THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD", but whenever humans tried to alter the words of god, he sent a prophet to remind people of the truth, thats why Moses came, thats why, jesus came and after giving three chances to humans for the protection and implementation of the god's will man proved himself to be dishonest,disloyal to his creater so finally the HOLLY PROPHET HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (may the peace and blessings of almighty be upon him) came and god said that this would be the last and final chance to the human race to be the way they are meant to be with respect to their submission towards god, but this time only the implementation of god's words were the responsibilty of mankind, god himself took the responsibilty to safeguard his words. now lets discuss islam a bit, when we embrace islam we testify that "there is only one god and hazrat muhammad(may the peace and blessings of almighty be upon him) is his last messenger" but to be a muslim we are bound to believe that the previous books(as they were sent to mankind in original) were also the word of god and we are also bound to believe that the prophets who were sent to the people of the past were god's messengers, if we deny any one of these we don't become muslims and thats why no one would ever accuse any muslim of saying a single word against any of the original holly books or the prophets of god, after this breif introduction of islam i'd move on to what is happening now adays and whats going to happen in future, most of us know whats happening today, the same mislead and confused people who tried to alter the words of god by adding lies to his original words are using the same tactics of self interpretation of every word we use in our daily life and they won't accept any definition of the word which doesn't fulfill their evil designs, thomas was talking about the final battle, yes we muslims believe in it, and we are ready for it, we also know that we'll suffer huge losses in the begining and when our enemies would have a strong feeling that they are about to finish us completly, god will bless us with the courage to fight back and defeat all the odds, on that day if a jew would be hiding behind a tree, the tree would speak out to muslim and tell them that there was a jew behind him and muslims will put him to the task, thats how we believe in it and thats how its gonna happen....

 

[Thomas]

Jews and Muslims are more closer to their belief system than Jews and Christians!

Christianity is a Jewish sect. It was known as "the way". the main thing that distinguishes it with Main stream Judaism is acceptance of Jesus as the Messiah. Main stream Judaism was looking for a Messiah that would deliver them from their Roman oppressors. Not realizing that it was more needful first for the Messiah to come and redeem man back to God. That is changing in Israel. messianic Jews (those that accept Jesus as the Messiah) are increasing in numbers and now are around 500k.

 

[Thomas]

Never have I seen a people of a developed nation who so blindly cling to their religion and fight vehemently for its incorporation into the state machinery.

sounds no different then a lot of Muslim countries.

 

[Developereo]

Christianity is a Jewish sect. It was known as "the way". the main thing that distinguishes it with Main stream Judaism is acceptance of Jesus as the Messiah. Main stream Judaism was looking for a Messiah that would deliver them from their Roman oppressors. Not realizing that it was more needful first for the Messiah to come and redeem man back to God. That is changing in Israel. messianic Jews (those that accept Jesus as the Messiah) are increasing in numbers and now are around 500k.

Messianic Jews claim persecution in Israel - Faith- msnbc.com

Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family. The explosion severed two toes, damaged his hearing and harmed a promising basketball career.
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Israel's tiny community of Messianic Jews, a mixed group of 10,000 people who include the California-based Jews for Jesus, complains of threats, harassment and police indifference.

 

[Thomas]

i am in a position to tell u that the isrealis were blessed with so many things from the almighty but they always turned out to be ungreatfull people, the ones who'd not fulfill their promises and they were punished again and again by the almighty,

That is why God called them a stiff necked and obstinate people. it was becuase of his promises to Abraham and king David. That he did not destroy them. but instead sent them into exile 3x. Yet each time as promised he brought them out of exile. do you even realize the odds of an entire people coming out of exile once let alone 3x? That simply does not happen unless God is with them. the scriptures say that God blinded Israel from recognizing Jesus as the messiah. so that the gentiles could be redeemed. thereby fulfilling the scripture that through Abraham all the nations of the earth shall be blessed. Scripture also says that God will open their eyes to the truth before the messiahs second coming. when he will return as the Lion of Judah rather then the Lamb of God.

 

[dabong1]

Judeo Christian ties is the main thing that binds Israel and the U.S. together.

Since the end of the Second World War we have been bombarded from all sides with references to the Western world's "Judeo-Christian religion," and "our Judeo-Christian heritage." We are told by both church leaders and scholars that our society is based on a supposed "Judeo-Christian tradition".

The comments of Jewish author Mr. S. Levin may well explain the Christian's need for the Judeo-Christian myth. Writing in the Israeli journal Biblical Polemics, Levin concludes: "'After all, we worship the same God', the Christian always says to the Jew and the Jew never to the Christian. The Jew knows that he does not worship the Christ-God but the Christian orphan needs to worship the God of Israel and so, his standard gambit rolls easily and thoughtlessly from his lips. It is a strictly unilateral affirmation, limited to making a claim on the God of Israel but never invoked with reference to other gods. A Christian never confronts a Moslem or a Hindu with 'After all, we worship the same God'."

 

[Righteous_Fire]

No Muslim country will ever be victorious against Israel in driving them out. They hold God's favor.

If this causes Muslim countries to hate the U.S. then so be it.

Wow Dude! That is pretty closed minded dont you think!!

I mean, knowing who God gives his favors to? How can you claim something like that?!

 

[hack]

That is why God called them a stiff necked and obstinate people. it was becuase of his promises to Abraham and king David. That he did not destroy them. but instead sent them into exile 3x. Yet each time as promised he brought them out of exile. do you even realize the odds of an entire people coming out of exile once let alone 3x? That simply does not happen unless God is with them. the scriptures say that God blinded Israel from recognizing Jesus as the messiah. so that the gentiles could be redeemed. thereby fulfilling the scripture that through Abraham all the nations of the earth shall be blessed. Scripture also says that God will open their eyes to the truth before the messiahs second coming. when he will return as the Lion of Judah rather then the Lamb of God.

Your posts are really interesting Thomas...it is an insight into the social conservative movement in the US.

The US was founded as a country where you will be free from religious prosecution.It is based on Christian foundations but the founding fathers were very careful to explicitly draw the distinction between church and state.In such a scenario American support for Israel which is a self proclaimed religious state, a complete opposite of the American way and is actually more similar to Saudi Arabia is curious.

American guilt over WW2 passed over into unequivocal support for Israel.Israel is a big negative for America IMO and is the main reason for anti muslim feeling in the world against the US.We have gained nothing from the "unique" alliance with Israel other than loss of billions of dollars and enmity with a billion people.

 

[Righteous_Fire]

Your posts are really interesting Thomas...it is an insight into the social conservative movement in the US.

The US was founded as a country where you will be free from religious prosecution.It is based on Christian foundations but the founding fathers were very careful to explicitly draw the distinction between church and state.In such a scenario American support for Israel which is a self proclaimed religious state, a complete opposite of the American way and is actually more similar to Saudi Arabia is curious.

American guilt over WW2 passed over into unequivocal support for Israel.Israel is a big negative for America IMO and is the main reason for anti muslim feeling in the world against the US.We have gained nothing from the "unique" alliance with Israel other than loss of billions of dollars and enmity with a billion people.

This is the sane I have known and come to love

I wouldnt point fingers at Thomas, he like us, is free to his opinions, and in some respects, maybe more than us, but as I said, statements like:

No Muslim country will ever be victorious against Israel in driving them out. They hold God's favor.

If this causes Muslim countries to hate the U.S. then so be it.

are pretty grim for the basic fundamentals of our . Maybe its me, maybe I need time to understand them more, maybe

 

[gubbi]

It seems to agree with what Jim Traficant said, so I don't understand your objection.

The difference being in the ramblings of a bitter man vs a well researched study by respected scholars! Dont you see that?

 

[Thomas]

Your posts are really interesting Thomas...it is an insight into the social conservative movement in the US.

The US was founded as a country where you will be free from religious prosecution.It is based on Christian foundations but the founding fathers were very careful to explicitly draw the distinction between church and state.In such a scenario American support for Israel which is a self proclaimed religious state, a complete opposite of the American way and is actually more similar to Saudi Arabia is curious.

American guilt over WW2 passed over into unequivocal support for Israel.Israel is a big negative for America IMO and is the main reason for anti muslim feeling in the world against the US.We have gained nothing from the "unique" alliance with Israel other than loss of billions of dollars and enmity with a billion people.

I agree that there does need to be a separation of church and state. but regards to the government establishing a state religion.
do you know where the term "separation of church and state" came from?

The Danbury Baptist Association of Danbury, Connecticut sent a letter, dated October 7, 1801, to the newly elected President Thomas Jefferson, expressing concern over the lack in their state constitution of explicit protection of religious liberty, and against a government establishment of religion.

In their letter to the President, the Danbury Baptists affirmed that "Our Sentiments are uniformly on the side of Religious Liberty — That Religion is at all times and places a matter between God and individuals — That no man ought to suffer in name, person, or effects on account of his religious Opinions - That the legitimate Power of civil government extends no further than to punish the man who works ill to his neighbor..."

As a religious minority in Connecticut, the Danbury Baptists were concerned that a religious majority might "reproach their chief Magistrate... because he will not, dare not assume the prerogatives of Jehovah and make Laws to govern the Kingdom of Christ," thus establishing a state religion at the cost of the liberties of religious minorities.

Thomas Jefferson's response, dated January 1, 1802, concurs with the Danbury Baptists' views on religious liberty, and the accompanying separation of civil government from concerns of religious doctrine and practice. Jefferson writes: "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

However the Government notion of not allowing kids in school or people in government to pray. is in terms of history a rather recent development. history tends to point that the founding fathers did not have this in mind since it was common practice and encouraged until just a few decades ago.

 

[Developereo]

The difference being in the ramblings of a bitter man vs a well researched study by respected scholars! Dont you see that?

I think he was just relating his personal experience in Congress regarding AIPAC control.

It corroborates the article's claims with first hand evidence.

 

[gubbi]

sounds no different then a lot of Muslim countries.

Read carefully, I said "developed" countries. And surprisingly the only developed nation with a Muslim majority is secular, a NATO member, a Potential EU member and keeps constantly fighting to maintain its secular credentials!

 

[TaimiKhan]

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