JI urges govt to end efforts at friendship with India!

[Norwegian]

As an Indian, I can tell you that I don't think of Pakistan as an enemy. It is a nuisance, yes, because of it's terrorist activities and obsession with us but no more.

GOP is not involved in any terror activity, neither common Pakistanis. Yes there are some religiously driven radicals who hate India to the death, but so what? You have your Hindu fanatics as well!

Most Indians would be happy to just ignore Pakistan till things change and it seems to be the view of the GOI as well for a long time now.

Ignore Pakistan? You can't just ignore 200 million people living in your backyard!

Son im also a Kashmiri and that Kashmiri whose forefathers fought for its liberation. Yr buying too much into indian propaganda here They dont have no links with TTP and ISIS. ISIS in south asia is a new version of Indian proxy game to replace TTP. Pakistan wont allow anything related to Pakistan join its alliance.

That ISIS drama was orchased by RAW in Kashmir to divert attention and misguide Kashmiris as well as world opinion abt latest uprisings. Do u even know they forcefully shut the communications in Kashmir? yes these ISIS people did that. They made them close the mobile shops mobile towers etc etc?

Because these lines of communications r the ones which can tell the world thats happening in valley, Pakistan doesnt want that nor the freedom fighters because they want self determination by making their voices heard in international community not the otherway around, which is in indian interests, India has recently banned their media for the coverage of valley just when they hoisted our flag there because they were gaining more attention in their masses of whats going on.

Dont judge the book by its cover, same way a man is known by his deeds not oral claims. Just look what ISIS drama did in Kashmir and whose favor was it in, Pakistan's or India's, then u will know.

No Indian Army can force ordinary Kashmiris to vote on gun point. The BEST WAY to claim Kashmiri independence is civil disobedience: Stop voting, Stop paying taxes, Stop engaging with the Indian Army and Indian Bureaucracy. The very fact that most Kashmiris choose to participate in Indian governance is demonstrable evidence on whose side they are on. Waving Pakistani flags mean nothing. Arab Israelis wave Palestinian Flags 24/7 in Israel, yet they send their children to Israeli schools, speak Hebrew, work in Jewish companies and so on. Their flags mean nothing in reality without actual resistance to Israeli way of life!

 

[Rajesh12379]

GOP is not involved in any terror activity, neither common Pakistanis. Yes there are some religiously driven radicals who hate India to the death, but so what? You have your Hindu fanatics as well!

See, we have to accept that we are now sovereign countries. We may have our Hindu fanatics and you may your own fanatics and as long as they remain in our own borders, they are domestic issues.

From where we see, Pakistani religious groups are proxies of the army and by extension the state. Especially cultivated for a purpose.

Ignore Pakistan? You can't just ignore 200 million people living in your backyard!

Well, you don't have to be on good terms with all neighbors. You can be friends with some and neutral with others.

I personally would prefer friendship but am fine with neutrality or even aloofness. We don't have to say "sup" everytime if we don't like each other.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

No Indian Army can force ordinary Kashmiris to vote on gun point. The BEST WAY to claim Kashmiri independence is civil disobedience: Stop voting, Stop paying taxes, Stop engaging with the Indian Army and Indian Bureaucracy. The very fact that most Kashmiris choose to participate in Indian governance is demonstrable evidence on whose side they are on. Waving Pakistani flags mean nothing. Arab Israelis wave Palestinian Flags 24/7 in Israel, yet they send their children to Israeli schools, speak Hebrew, work in Jewish companies and so on. Their flags mean nothing in reality without actual resistance to Israeli way of life!

Its not west sir. It cant be done there and in the past they did that thats why majority of the puppet regime has indians in them and a very few kashmiri natives, also Kashmir has 20% non muslims who often join their forces and government. as for taxes i dont think majority gives taxes anyways.

However i like that idea of civil disobedience and non cooperating, I agree with u on this.

 

[Norwegian]

However i like that idea of civil disobedience and non cooperating, I agree with u on this.

Indian Civil Disobedience got rid of British Raj in India. Are Kashmiris at large located in the West? There is no cure to genuine and legitimate civil disobedience, no matter how powerful or brutal the regime imposed on is. East Pakistan itself got independent through civil disobedience against West Pakistan:

During his famous speech on 7 March 1971, East Pakistan's Bengali nationalist leader Sheikh Mujibur Rahmanand his Awami League party announced the historic "non-cooperation" movement against the military and political establishment of West Pakistan in an effort to press the Pakistani government to accept the national election results of 1970 in which the Awami League won. The movement saw the complete shut down of all government and semi government offices, public transport, businesses, schools, and colleges. East Pakistanis stopped paying taxes to the Pakistani state, and all monetary transactions between East and West Pakistan came to a complete halt. All forms of communications in the form of telephone and telegraph with West Pakistan were also suspended. The Awami League leadership became the de facto government of East Pakistan for 18 days, and this shook the very core of the Pakistani state. The movement came to an end with the launch of the bloody Operation Searchlight by the Pakistan Army on 26 March 1971

Examples of civil disobedience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[nForce]

Our Army's attitude towards India can change anytime, depending on the COAS in charge atm. Pakistan's Defense Establishment has never been suicidal regarding India.

hahaha...that was a joke right ?

At topic - Yes, I will agree, we should suspend the efforts for time being, totally ignore each other and go about our own work. We are creating a lot of noise, but nothing is happening, no return on investment.

 

[Norwegian]

hahaha...that was a joke right ?

Nope, our army knows its capabilities. It knows when to go in and when to chicken out, depending on the circumstances.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Indian Civil Disobedience got rid of British Raj in India. Are Kashmiris at large located in the West? There is no cure to genuine and legitimate civil disobedience, no matter how powerful or brutal the regime imposed on is. East Pakistan itself got independent through civil disobedience against West Pakistan:

Examples of civil disobedience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Actually it wasnt india disobedience which pulled the brits out. It was british themselves after WW2. They were no longer in that position to hold their empire. If this was true then british would have left United Hindustan in 1857, the 1857 war of Independence was even bigger and greater in scale. Thats why no one in outside world buys this indian claim., u will only find it in Wikipedia or books by indian authors.

I hate to disagree sir but thats true. East Pakistan didnt got independence by civil disobedience but by indian instigated brain washing and intervention in civil war ofg another sovereign nation, whose main land was 3000 km way from that area.

Another such type of adventure is found in 1984 Falkland war.

 

[nForce]

Nope, our army knows its capabilities. It knows when to go in and when to chicken out, depending on the circumstances.

Yeah.. well.. fallback happens after the going-in, which raises the question that why the "going-in" happened in the first place ? Anyways, that's offtopic, some other time.

 

[Norwegian]

Actually it wasnt india disobedience which pulled the brits out. It was british themselves are WW2. They were no longer in that position to hold their empire. If this was true then british would have left United Hindustan in 1857, the 1857 war of Independence was even bigger and greater in scale. Thats why no one in outside world buys this indian claim., u will only find it in Wikipedia or books by indian authors.

So you yourself is downplaying the whole role of Indian Nationalist movement, which Pakistan Movement was integral part of since 1940's. LOL!

I hate to disagree sir but thats true. East Pakistan didnt got independence by civil disobedience but by indian instigated brain washing and intervention in civil war ofg another sovereign nation, whose main land was 3000 km way from that area.

West Pakistan had lost complete control of East Pakistan for 18 days due to civil disobedience movement! Yes, that's a big number for a country as big as Pakistan. Operation Searchlight was not launched for no reason. It was done to "reclaim" what was lost for 18 days to Bengali Nationalists!

Another such type of adventure is found in 1984 Falkland war.

Falkland War has nothing to do with the discussion on hand. Argentine invaded those islands on the assumption that they belonged to them instead of UK. UK fought back and refused to hand over its sovereignty to its closest neighbor: Argentine.

 

[nForce]

Actually it wasnt india disobedience which pulled the brits out. It was british themselves are WW2. They were no longer in that position to hold their empire. If this was true then british would have left United Hindustan in 1857, the 1857 war of Independence was even bigger and greater in scale. Thats why no one in outside world buys this indian claim., u will only find it in Wikipedia or books by indian authors.

I hate to disagree sir but thats true. East Pakistan didnt got independence by civil disobedience but by indian instigated brain washing and intervention in civil war ofg another sovereign nation, whose main land was 3000 km way from that area.

Another such type of adventure is found in 1984 Falkland war.

You have absolutely no understanding of history. Dominions, which were under British rule before WW2 gradually became independent over a time period that extended even up to 1980s.

1. The British were very much against the idea of independence of these dominions. They even used Airforce to strafe common people in Kenya, which got it's independence in Dec, 1963. Wonder why they did not do that in Delhi or Kolkata ?

2. If the British had a financial crisis back at home then it made only more sense to have the dominions support them, which infact they did.

 

[Norwegian]

Yeah.. well.. fallback happens after the going-in, which raises the question that why the "going-in" happened in the first place ? Anyways, that's offtopic, some other time.

Not the first time it happened. Pak Army's is Allah's army, the jihadist type if you wish to call it. They don't care about the outcome of war, only care about going in. It has been going on like this since 1947!

 

[nForce]

Not the first time it happened. Pak Army's is Allah's, the jihadist type if you wish to call it. They don't care about the outcome of war, only care about going it. It has been going on like this since 1947!

That's Pakistani army's way of war..Do you want to get banned again ?

 

[Norwegian]

You have absolutely no understanding of history. Dominions, which were under British rule before WW2 gradually became independent over a time period that extended even up to 1980s.

1. The British were very much against the idea of independence of these dominions. They even used Airforce to strafe common people in Kenya, which got it's independence in Dec, 1963. Wonder why they did not do that in Delhi or Kolkata ?

2. If the British had a financial crisis back at home then it made only more sense to have the dominions support them, which infact they did.

More interestingly, US refused to join WW2 on British side unless it agreed on gradually giving up its world dominance, starting with freedom of its colonies! Thank You USA! @LeveragedBuyout @C130 @Syed.Ali.Haider

That's Pakistani army's way of war..Do you want to get banned again ?

You get banned for stating the facts?

 

[nForce]

More interestingly, US refused to join WW2 on British side unless it agreed on gradually giving up its world dominance, starting with freedom of its colonies! Thank You USA! @LeveragedBuyout @C130 @Syed.Ali.Haider

Back in 1857, India or the collective land had about 22% of World's GDP, China was at about 30%. Britain had 2%. When the British left, India had 2% share and Britain had 22%.

And then comes this fellow who has been taught that the British did not have the resources to hold India back.

You get banned for stating the facts?

You do have the habit of putting a stick to the hornet's nest, don't you ?

It's not always about right or wrong, it's the inconvenient truth, as for example poverty in India, that's an inconvenient truth for me.

 

[Zarvan]

JI urges govt to end efforts at friendship with India
By Our Correspondent
Published: August 15, 2015

Jamaat-i-Islami general secretary. PHOTO: REUTERS

LAHORE: The Jamaat-i-Islami general secretary suggested on Friday that the federal government abandon the idea of friendship with India. He said national interests alone should guide the foreign policy.

He was speaking at a flag hoisting ceremony at JI headquarters in Mansoora.

He said India had never reconciled to the establishment of Pakistan. He said the United States and India wanted to destabilise the country.

He said Pakistan should seek support from Iran and Afghanistan to foil their designs.

The JI leader urged the United States to stop patronizing terrorist outfits and opt for peaceful resolution of its conflicts in the region.

Baloch said Jammu and Kashmir was an integral part of Pakistan. He said India had occupied the territory in violation of international agreements. He said rallies and processions held across Indian held Kashmir to celebrate the Independence Day of Pakistan should serve as a lesson for Indian government. He praised the services of Huriyyat Conference leader Syed Ali Gilani for the cause of Kashmir’s independence from India.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 15th, 2015.
JI urges govt to end efforts at friendship with India - The Express Tribune

Yes, its same Jamat-e-Islami whose leaders are hanged these days for committing massacres against their own people during East Pakistan's war for independence!

They are being hanged for standing up and fighting for Pakistan against India and their puppets, but traitors can't get it.