JI urges govt to end efforts at friendship with India!

[Norwegian]

Back in 1857, India or the collective land had about 22% of World's GDP, China was at about 30%. Britain had 2%. When the British left, India had 2% share and Britain had 22%.

Well, that was before famous Industrial Revolution in UK! It wasn't that British raped India of its precious resources but mass industrialization that led to fall of handicraft.

You do have the habit of putting a stick to the hornet's nest, don't you ?

Getting banned for telling the truth is the best leisure that exist!

They are being hanged for standing up and fighting for Pakistan against India and their puppets, but traitors can't get it.

So Bengali Nationalists that genuinely won 1970's General Elections were PUPPETS? Is there any logic in your Islamic Brain?
JI didn't fight for East Pakistanis but for Pakistan Army's brutal campaign against their own people!
1970 polls: When election results created a storm - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

 

[Zarvan]

Well, that was before famous Industrial Revolution in UK! It wasn't that British raped India of its precious resources but mass industrialization that led to fall of handicraft.


Getting banned for telling the truth is the best leisure that exist!


So Bengali Nationalists that genuinely won 1970's General Elections were PUPPETS? Is there any logic in your Islamic Brain?
1970 polls: When election results created a storm - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

Yes I have logic and yes they won but that doesn't mean if you have problem in getting power you become ally with enemy but traitors don't understand because they are always busy eating shit of enemies

 

[Norwegian]

Yes I have logic and yes they won but that doesn't mean if you have problem in getting power you become ally with enemy but traitors don't understand because they are always busy eating shit of enemies

India INTERVENED after millions of East Pakistanis started pouring into its territory as MIGRANTS to seek refuge from brutal crackdown of PA. Also, India could annex East Pakistan after the unconditional surrender of PA, but let East Pakistan remain independent as Bangladesh.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

So you yourself is downplaying the whole role of Indian Nationalist movement, which Pakistan Movement was integral part of since 1940's. LOL!


West Pakistan had lost complete control of East Pakistan for 18 days due to civil disobedience movement! Yes, that's a big number for a country as big as Pakistan. Operation Searchlight was not launched for no reason. It was done to "reclaim" what was lost for 18 days to Bengali Nationalists!


Falkland War has nothing to do with the discussion on hand. Argentine invaded those islands on the assumption that they belonged to them instead of UK. UK fought back and refused to hand over its sovereignty to its closest neighbor: Argentine.

Like i said there are no takers of indian claims. Pakistan movement wasnt part of them, u have a poor knowledge of Pakistan's history it seems. Muslim League only was workng for Pakistan and had Muslim support generally while the Indian congress was working for indian movement and had hindu support generally.

Op. serachlight was a military operation sir! and military ops r not launched for civilian faults. Those 18 days that u talk abt were days of december 1971 when the war broke out and it lasted for 18 days. Op was launched before. And was launched against Mukti Bani terrorists who massacred the non Bengali Pakistanis who were working for government as deportation officers in civil administration.So of them were the families of Serving army officers of west Pakistan also.

This was a hot topic a few years back in this forum it seems u havnt gone through them. Since this is a military forum and here u can get the military and Pakistan's side of story i suggest go through a look at a few threads.

Indira Gandhi planned a mass invasion of Pakistan | CIA Records

What was causes of fall of east Pakistan

Bangladesh Army protecting the country from it's only poisonous neighbor

Pics of massacure can be found in the below thread or ask @DESERT FIGHTER rst fighter to post for u.
Old Bangla Photos


Do u even know abt Agartala Conspiracy.

Agartala Conspiracy confession, what does it mean for our history

Falkland war was also inspired by East Pakistan's adventure of indians. Militarizes around the world study wars and tactics as well as strategies. The only thing that the Argies didnt do in falklands was ground work, that indians did before 1971 war begin. This was just an example for u since u gave the example of East Pakistan in yr post.

 

[nForce]

Well, that was before famous Industrial Revolution in UK! It wasn't that British raped India of its precious resources but mass industrialization that led to fall of handicraft.

I will agree with the Industrial revolution part, but rest is not entirely correct. I will give you a small example.
One of the major developments of the Industrial revolution in England was the textile industries in Manchester.

The raw material, cotton, used to go their from India. The British did everything possible to ensure that India remains as a cotton supplier only. They destroyed the Dhakai-Muslin cloth industry, for it was a competition. They did not even let the Indian merchant vessels enter their harbour.
Indigo, the natural dye used for whitening cotton cloth was forcibly produced in India, primarily in Bengal. In fact the British did not even let the farmers to grow other crops, which led to multiple famines.
When Jamshedji Tata was setting up Iron & Steel industry in India, the Chief Commissioner for Indian Railways, Frederick Upcott had famously said that he will eat every pound of steel rail they succeed in making. You can very well understand how much support the Indian industries had.

Just 2-3 examples....

India INTERVENED after millions of East Pakistanis started pouring into its territory as MIGRANTS to seek refuge from brutal crackdown of PA. Also, India could annex East Pakistan after the unconditional surrender of PA, but let East Pakistan remain independent as Bangladesh.

Interesting observation, one of my friends is getting married, he is from West Bengal. So there are lots of proposals from families of prospective brides, following the traditions. I went through them and I was literally surprised to see, so many, so many of them had mentioned 'East Bengal', or 'Bangladesh' as ancestral origin, every other one.

Knowing something is one thing, realizing that fully is completely another. That day, I realized there were so many people who migrated to West Bengal only. There are other states like Assam and Tripura too.

 

[Norwegian]

Like i said there are no takers of indian claims. Pakistan movement wasnt part of them, u have a poor knowledge of Pakistan's history it seems. Muslim League only was workng for Pakistan and had Muslim support generally while the Indian congress was working for indian movement and had hindu support generally.

So Pakistan Movement had nothing to do with the liberation of India from British occupation? LOL

Do u even know abt Agartala Conspiracy.

Yepp. The question still remains if the Pakistani State had credible against the accused as conspirators against the state, why the heck were they released in the first place?

Falkland war was also inspired by East Pakistan's adventure of indians. Militaries around the world study wars and tactics as well as strategies. The only thing that the Argies didnt do in falklands was ground work, that indians did before 1971 war begin. This was just an example for u since u gave the example of East Pakistan in yr post.

Pakistan has been trying to breakaway Indian held Kashmir since 1947. What went wrong? Why India succeeded in breaking East Pakistan just by one attempt, while Pakistan failed to break Kashmir to this date despite repeated attempts? Reason: Popular support. While there was huge popular support for East Pakistan's liberation, none exist in Kashmir.

Op. serachlight was a military operation sir! and military ops r not launched for civilian faults. Those 18 days that u talk abt were days of december 1971 when the war broke out and it lasted for 18 days. Op was launched before. And was launched against Mukti Bani terrorists who massacred the non Bengali Pakistanis who were working for government as deportation officers in civil administration.So of them were the families of Serving army officers of west Pakistan also.

No, wrong. These 18 days we are talking about between Mujeeb's popular speech of 7th March 1971 to the start of operation Searchlight on March 25/26 1971:
7th March Speech of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Operation Searchlight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I will agree with the Industrial revolution part, but rest is not entirely correct. I will give you a small example.
One of the major developments of the Industrial revolution in England was the textile industries in Manchester.

The raw material, cotton, used to go their from India. The British did everything possible to ensure that India remains as a cotton supplier only. They destroyed the Dhakai-Muslin cloth industry, for it was a competition. They did not even let the Indian merchant vessels enter their harbour.
Indigo, the natural dye used for whitening cotton cloth was forcibly produced in India, primarily in Bengal. In fact the British did not even let the farmers to grow other crops, which led to multiple famines.
When Jamshedji Tata was setting up Iron & Steel industry in India, the Chief Commissioner for Indian Railways, Frederick Upcott had famously said that he will eat every pound of steel rail they succeed in making. You can very well understand how much the Indian industries were patronized.

It was due to protectionist policies of that century. Today free trade is the common practice.
Protectionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Umair Nawaz]

So Pakistan Movement had nothing to do with the liberation of India from British occupation? LOL


Yepp. The question still remains if the Pakistani State had credible against the accused as conspirators against the state, why the heck were they released in the first place?


Pakistan has been trying to breakaway Indian held Kashmir since 1947. What went wrong? Why India succeeded in breaking East Pakistan just by one attempt, while Pakistan failed to break Kashmir to this date despite repeated attempts? Reason: Popular support. While there was huge popular support for East Pakistan's liberation, none exist in Kashmir.


No, wrong. These 18 days we are talking about between Mujeeb's popular speech of 7th March 1971 to the start of operation Searchlight on March 25/26 1971:
7th March Speech of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Operation Searchlight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1) u know it yrself buddy and i have given u ample reasons why it wasnt. Pakistan made by british to serve their interests. Im also a Patrotic Pakistani whose father had served as a Gen in army but this is true as well.But what i believe is that what we have today we must work for it only and its betterment as well as expansion be it in Kashmir or Afghanistan as long as its in our benefit. Also there are no buyers of indian claims either that they kicked them out in the world stage. Had that been the case the brits would have left in 1857.

The most accepted thing is the british's own ability to sustain its empire post WW2.

2) That is why perhaps we lost EP. I agree on this..The initial officers of army and politics were british trained and motivated, whatelse u expect from them? At that time Gen Yahya was the President. But we will never let that repeat again in Baluchistan.

3) Pakistan hasnt been trying to breakway Kashmir its trying for self determination of Kashmiris where they will decide their own faith under the UN resolutions. Had Pakistan been as serious as it was with Afghanistan when soviats came and now when americans came Kashmir would have been liberated long ago. Plus also it has land connections with mainland india hence its even more difficult as they are more in numbers then us. Thats why we need international support for this!

4) But still after 18 days of civil war peace and order had been restored wasnt it? Anyways go through those threads first to get more knowledge before making yr opinion.

 

[[Bregs]]

I don't think after Mumbai 2008 terrorist attack there is any sincere talks on friendship between two countries so these comments by JI has no meaning as of now

 

[nForce]

I don't think after Mumbai 2008 terrorist attack there is any sincere talks on friendship between two countries so these comments by JI has no meaning as of now

The perpetrators have to be brought to justice and the losses compensated. Then only we should talk.

 

[Globaltracker81]

GOP is not involved in any terror activity, neither common Pakistanis. Yes there are some religiously driven radicals who hate India to the death, but so what? You have your Hindu fanatics as well!


Ignore Pakistan? You can't just ignore 200 million people living in your backyard!



No Indian Army can force ordinary Kashmiris to vote on gun point. The BEST WAY to claim Kashmiri independence is civil disobedience: Stop voting, Stop paying taxes, Stop engaging with the Indian Army and Indian Bureaucracy. The very fact that most Kashmiris choose to participate in Indian governance is demonstrable evidence on whose side they are on. Waving Pakistani flags mean nothing. Arab Israelis wave Palestinian Flags 24/7 in Israel, yet they send their children to Israeli schools, speak Hebrew, work in Jewish companies and so on. Their flags mean nothing in reality without actual resistance to Israeli way of life!

With regards to paying taxes, it's happening since last 60 yrs literally all funding of J&K is done by central govt.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Just reported your BS. Deal with your own terrorists first!


So pay heed and leave PDF immediately. You are not interested in building positive relations with Pakistan, only hating it.


And what is Pakistan's role in supporting Kashmiri terrorists?


Congress Party had no balls. BJP is not Congress!

I was only urging you to consider the words of the wise men of JI

 

[C130]

More interestingly, US refused to join WW2 on British side unless it agreed on gradually giving up its world dominance, starting with freedom of its colonies! Thank You USA! @LeveragedBuyout @C130 @Syed.Ali.Haider


You get banned for stating the facts?

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we gained a lot thanks to the UK. de-colonizing was just a bonus it weakened the European powers while strengthening us.