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No dual seat production will start first, after production of 22 dual seat single seat production will start. PAC will produce 8 Block III dual seat in 2019


Any update on HMD/S ?
 
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Noticed how the rear seating is higher than the front one for better visibility. So this is actually an improvement compared to the F-16B and other US designs like F-14 & F-18B. Russians have been following the similar approach for their twin seaters as well.
Not necessarily an improvement. To date, there is no hard data to support the argument that a trainer version of operational aircraft that have raised rear cockpit seat is better than one without. You would have to look at highly specialized platforms like the SR-71 to see such a structural change is justified. Hard data in terms of safety, higher student performance, or faster certifications. All has to be directly attributed to the higher seat position from the rear cockpit. Good luck on that.

I am willing to speculate that the B version with the higher rear cockpit seat is purely because of internal structures. A frontline fighter is not a trainer. If a frontline fighter has a trainer version, it is for familiarization and certification, not to train a student pilot on the principles of flying. By the time a pilot is assigned to the unit, either he is a graduate of the air force's flight training or he transitioned from another aircraft. The MIG-25 trainer version has no radar and no combat capabilities and it is likely that the jet's internal structures were not amenable for a two-seater arrangement unless other systems had to be sacrificed.

Internally speaking, right behind the cockpit is a fuel tank. To make a trainer version of a frontline fighter, removal or reduction in size of this structure is necessary. Below the cockpit could be nose landing gear bay, weapons bay, or avionics bay. These structures are not as easily modified as a fuel compartment. So installing a second cockpit usually end up with the second seat being slightly higher. There is nothing extraordinary about it.

By the time a new pilot is assigned to the unit, he already earned his wings. He passed all the physical rigors of flight and did not vomit in training. He was trained in flight related issues such as fuel management, communication, take off and landing, or formation flying. In the trainer version of a frontline fighter, he would be trained on the unique systems of the jet and his instructor in the rear cockpit would be guiding him on those unique features.

On the few early familiarization flights, the new pilot would be in the rear cockpit. Something like transition from a jet that has a center stick to one that has a sidestick. That would need a few flights in the rear cockpit. Then once the new pilot is fully acclimatized to flying with a sidestick, the student and IP would trade cockpits.
 
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Reading up on the posts of some senior insider folks here, it seems that a European system and an indigenous system are in contention.

Perhaps @denel can give his opinion if South African expertise have any likelihood of involvement with the indigenous product.
 
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Hi is it possible for the rear seat to take control of the plane from PIC in case of some mishap
Thank you
Not possible, but MUST.

In any trainer version of a frontline fighter, the rear cockpit is usually reserved for the IP and the rear cockpit usually has command override authority.
 
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Not possible, but MUST.

In any trainer version of a frontline fighter, the rear cockpit is usually reserved for the IP and the rear cockpit usually has command override authority.
Hi thanks for your technical reply
Thank you
 
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Reading up on the posts of some senior insider folks here, it seems that a European system and an indigenous system are in contention.

Perhaps @denel can give his opinion if South African expertise have any likelihood of involvement with the indigenous product.
It depends if elements of Cobra or Archer are brought over; the issue is exposure of Chinese cloning; at this stage nothing heard locally here. so am doubting any thing unless if darter makes it over then it makes sense to integrate. With hmds/darter high offbore in a dogfight will level any advantage of opposing aircraft.
 
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Hi,

@gambit has explained the difference very clearly---.

A fighter / strike aircraft is a fighter / strike aircraft by design---. The trainer version of this aircraft still remains a fighter aircraft / default by default---.
 
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Regards,
 
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Yes but if you're capable of it then yes it is possible. It has happened numerous times....

But the former air chief was not qualified to fly anything....he was qualified to ride in jets more recently....
Generally the mechanism in dual seat LIFT Platforms enables the pilot in the backseat to have more ease of controls
compared to the pilot in front seat as backseat is usually the instructor's place
 
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So for block 3
1) aesa radar confirmed
2) 5th gen short range Aam confirmed
3) hmd mentioned not confirmed
4) irst ?? No clue no mention except if I remember from jf-17 article back in 2009/10
5) precision attack day night confirmed actually it already being tested on block 2
 
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So for block 3
1) aesa radar confirmed
2) 5th gen short range Aam confirmed
3) hmd mentioned not confirmed
4) irst ?? No clue no mention except if I remember from jf-17 article back in 2009/10
5) precision attack day night confirmed actually it already being tested on block 2
I dont know why JFT does not have IRST. Are they planning to use it on anexternal pod? Or do they not find it useful
 
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I dont know why JFT does not have IRST. Are they planning to use it on anexternal pod? Or do they not find it useful

An IRST would be interesting particularly for combat at night. If its not on the JF-17 PAF probably doesn't find it useful and perhaps the NVGs are good enough. Even F-35 doesn't have a proper IRST. Eurofighter does though. As does Rafale. And the Su-35. Maybe doesn't make sense for the smaller size of the platform.
 
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