JF-17 THUNDER - Ready To Tear The World Asunder!

[Abingdonboy]

So basically most bang for your buck. China has done an impressive feat of getting a fighter that is modernish for the price (I believe $14-25 million).

It would be helpful to get a comparison to some contempories like LCA and Gripen-NG. As I believe in both these cases the respective companies have gone for quality of tech/machine over quantity. Different operating requirements/strategies , it would be interesetinfg to read some reports from IAF strategy planing centre who use supercomputers to produce accurate simulations of potential threats, they must have plugged in JFT into a model. Would be interesting to see the results.

Why are people comparing the JFT to the F-16? There is no compariosn with the latest blks PAF have and the JFT and I believe the JFT isn't intended to be a replacement to the PAF F-16s.

 

[KRAIT]

JFT block II is suppose to replace F-16, i suppose.

 

[Manticore]

kindly keep the discussions on this article , not on the general jft discussions - we have the main thread for that.

kindly let me know which areas ive left out eventhough i had total words limitation for the article- if the article does justice to jft etc

what about the title of the article - bet some wouldve needed a dictionary for that


this input would help to polish the 'original long version' if required

 

[VCheng]

kindly keep the discussions on this article , not on the general jft discussions - we have the main thread for that.

kindly let me know which areas ive left out eventhough i has total words limitation for the article

if the article does justice to jft etc

The article is well written, but for the potential inaccuracy of the power and the P:W ratio, as suggested by Najam above.

Without the proper powerplant, the JF-17 can still rip the world here and there I am sure, rather than tearing it asunder?

 

[Manticore]

vcheng,thankyou for your kind remarks

if i had said ''jft has thrust to weight ratio of more than 1.01 in every scenario '' rather than ''RD93 with a maximum output of 96kN gives JF-17 a thrust to weight ratio of 1'' than you could find it objectionable - i havent pointed out the version , moreover the max ratio is not always achievable & i hoped it was understandable --- however i am completely comfortable with my opinion and selection of words in this piece --- I want to give this issue rest as this is merely a single sentence in the whole article and i need input from members so that we know what other aspects to add in articles of weapon systems

kind regards

 

[VCheng]

vcheng,thankyou for your kind remarks

if i had said ''jft has thrust to weight ratio of more than 1.01 in every scenario '' rather than ''RD93 with a maximum output of 96kN gives JF-17 a thrust to weight ratio of 1'' than you could find it objectionable - i havent pointed out the version , moreover the max ratio is not always achievable & i hoped it was understandable --- however i am completely comfortable with my opinion and selection of words in this piece --- I want to give this issue rest as this is merely a single sentence in the whole article and i need input from members so that we know what other aspects to add in articles of weapon systems

kind regards

Of course, I understand. Please do carry on.

 

[Manticore]

The article is well written, but for the potential inaccuracy of the power and the P:W ratio, as suggested by Najam above.

Without the proper powerplant, the JF-17 can still rip the world here and there I am sure, rather than tearing it asunder?

t''under'' --- tearing - as''under''

 

[VCheng]

t''under'' --- tearing - as''under''

Of course, a nice play on words always helps an advertisement!

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

kindly keep the discussions on this article , not on the general jft discussions - we have the main thread for that.

kindly let me know which areas ive left out eventhough i had total words limitation for the article- if the article does justice to jft etc

what about the title of the article - bet some wouldve needed a dictionary for that


this input would help to polish the 'original long version' if required

What about Paint on JFT??? Paint also plays important role for stealth, i.e
New Stealth Nano-Paint Turns Any Aircraft Into a Radar-Evading Stealth Plane
New Stealth Nano-Paint Turns Any Aircraft Into a Radar-Evading Stealth Plane | Popular Science.

low-visibility paint grey and pink
on aircraft's at different time
Cammouflage: low-observable airplanes, visual stealth

 

[Manticore]

i've read of plans for ram coating on specific areas , but that just it--- this stealthy paint increases the cost which defeats the purpose of high performance to cost ratio-- my 0.1 cents

i think the silver paint scheme blends with the atmosphere in the subcontinent

 

[KRAIT]

i've read of plans for ram coating on specific areas , but that just it--- these paints increase the cost which defeats the purpose of high performance to cost ratio-- my 0.1 cents

But doesn't it become another important feature with a little trade off. The USP of aircraft do increase.

 

[alibaz]

what about the title of the article - bet some wouldve needed a dictionary for that

Title should have been in Punjabi slang.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

i've read of plans for ram coating on specific areas , but that just it--- this stealthy paint increases the cost which defeats the purpose of high performance to cost ratio-- my 0.1 cents

i think the silver paint scheme blends with the atmosphere in the subcontinent

Then Why not run other parallel project. Of course no need to change airframe or start from zero, but Ram coating or stealth paint we can enjoy new Jet class with new Block name i.e JT17 block P. Still if we get stealth or near to stealth technology fighter at 25-32 Million. I think This is very reasonable.

 

[Jungibaaz]

What about Paint on JFT??? Paint also plays important role for stealth, i.e
New Stealth Nano-Paint Turns Any Aircraft Into a Radar-Evading Stealth Plane
New Stealth Nano-Paint Turns Any Aircraft Into a Radar-Evading Stealth Plane | Popular Science.

low-visibility paint grey and pink
on aircraft's at different time
Cammouflage: low-observable airplanes, visual stealth

Well there some facts we must consider before we can assess the need for RAM coating on JF-17.

-JF-17 RCS is already lower then the F-16, is it really necessary?
-The JF-17 is designed to be a cost effective MRCA, RAM coating is costly.
-What effect would RAM coating have on it's RCS? not much really, only minor changes buying you a few kms (if you're luck) before you are detected.
-What other measures would be needed to make some sort of a difference adding just RAM coating is not that effective.

IMHO perhaps Block II/III will see some minor application of RAM coating perhaps just on some metallic surfaces and in the front.
But this would not be to give it LO features, rather to attempt conceal surfaces that would otherwise shoot up the RCS.

 

[Bratva]

^ Who says that JF-17 RCS is smaller than F-16?