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JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

Please study Creative Chaos Theory and juxtapose Afghan predicament accordingly. US is doing exactly what Pakistan was supposed to do back in 80's. We must have control the winning of Mujahideen. Making CIA's victory as slow as possible. It is not US government who want to be there in Afghanistan, It is Corporate America and MIC that wants this war to continue till last day of earth as their profiteering is directly related to this conflict. They are same people who time and again derail this process giving new imputes to Washington's power echelons to allow US military and private contractors to continue this war. Talibans are there because CIA/MIC doesn't want them to be eliminated completely. Spy world is extremely dirty one.

Having said all this, I concur your original point that our real failure has been inability of the state in nurturing a strategic thinking culture across the society. We used too much time on useless bravados which led us nowhere!

Coming back to JF-17 Vs. F-16 ... I think JF-17 must our priority despite its shortcomings vis-a-vis F-16. Thunder will be a killer machine once Block-4 hit the production in late next decade. (I say Block-4 because I believe after Block-3, only thing needs a real upgrade will be its power plant and I hope in Block-4 that will be the key feature along with some other upgrades of course). Strategically, this Thunder project is more critical for us than our nuclear program as it has redefined or is redefining conventional deterrence against a much superior enemy. Strategic deterrence will comes into play only once conventional one failed. In Feb 2019, Indians were hoping they will achieve that but PAF foiled it. They tried through sea, PN foiled that one too. Pakistan army was ready to unleash response to any Indian ballistic missile misadventure. PAF and PN both are in process to get next gen hardware means our conventional deterrence will have a new threshold and if PAF can manage to produce enough Block-3 along with adequate number of force multiplier (AEW, AWACS, EW, Refuelers etc.) to raise few squadron dedicated to support our strike corps, the entire complexion of balance of power in the region will change for now India has upper hand in conventional warfare but Pakistani forces have proven that the worst period has gone pass as far as military parity in terms of quality is concerned thanks to close cooperation with China and Turkey. US has offered us many things if we somehow come out of what they call is a Chinese bloc, but it looks like Pak mil establishment has learned its lessons during the last 70 years and now is taking strategically correct steps!
A very good post. However I will point out another factor and a huge advantage which the JFT has given us. That is fleet replenishment and incorporating a wide array of armaments in a cost effective manner. This effectively allows PAF to remain relevant now and in future by simply upgrading its home grown platform at a nominal cost. 10 16/52s were costing us 800 million whereas for this much we can construct 20 to 25 platforms of our local fighters and equip them with all relevant weaponry. In house assembly of key note weapons will also expand our knowledge base and allow us to tinker with our weapons. At 1/10th of what IAF is spending on the rafales we will have a significantly improved fighter of our own.
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Can you imagine if Pakistani governments could name the ships?
PPP
PNS Benazir Bhutto Shaheed
PNS Zulfiqar Bhtto Shaheed
PNS Salman Taseer Shaheed
PNS Asma Jahangir Shaheed
PNS Bilawal
PNS Aseefa
PNS Roti
PNS Kapra
PNS Makan

PMLN
PNS Amir ul momineen
PNS Nawaz
PNS Maryam
PNS Shahbaz
PNS Kulsoom Shaheed
PNS Raiwind
PNS Lahore
PNS Sher
PNS Kyu Nikala

PTI
PNS Khan
PNS Bala
PNS chaka
PNS 92 World Cup
PNS U-Turn
PNS Imran
PNS Handsome
PNS Gabrana Mat
PNS Tabdeeli
PNS Insaaf


Dont forget MQM... PNS Fat Bastard!
 
Expecting Chinese 76 mm gun at the front which provide anti air and anti surface coverage up-to 12-20 km

Navy decomissioned two type 21 so the phalanx ciws as well as harpoon can be deployed and Harba is also an options not sure if any torpedo tubes will be added or just heli borne anti sub will cover that area ??




 
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Is this jf-17 thread or world history and politics ???

Stick to the topic and take other discussion to relevant thread please
 
Can you imagine if Pakistani governments could name the ships?
PPP
PNS Benazir Bhutto Shaheed
PNS Zulfiqar Bhtto Shaheed
PNS Salman Taseer Shaheed
PNS Asma Jahangir Shaheed
PNS Bilawal
PNS Aseefa
PNS Roti
PNS Kapra
PNS Makan

PMLN
PNS Amir ul momineen
PNS Nawaz
PNS Maryam
PNS Shahbaz
PNS Kulsoom Shaheed
PNS Raiwind
PNS Lahore
PNS Sher
PNS Kyu Nikala

PTI
PNS Khan
PNS Bala
PNS chaka
PNS 92 World Cup
PNS U-Turn
PNS Imran
PNS Handsome
PNS Gabrana Mat
PNS Tabdeeli
PNS Insaaf
tbh PNS Insaaf and PNS Zulfiqar Bhutto could probably make it, if only because the first one is a decent word, and the other (for better or worse) had a huge historical impact.

But a bunch of them won't pass the "what the hell is this Arabic" test either.
 
OEM has gone bankrupt and chief designer along with those who worked on this master piece after destroying all of Blueprints have comitted suicide due to sheer amount of shame they felt after witnessing performance of this model.I am sorry to inform you that,you are only buyer of this failed product and you don't enjoy any OEM support.

What are you talking about?
 
tbh PNS Insaaf and PNS Zulfiqar Bhutto could probably make it, if only because the first one is a decent word, and the other (for better or worse) had a huge historical impact.

But a bunch of them won't pass the "what the hell is this Arabic" test either.
Hmmm. PNS Zulfiqar Bhutto. Can you imagine a mullah with green pagri going Haraaaaaaam..! This is a shia ship!!!!!.
Best to stay with current nomenclature.
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OEM has gone bankrupt and chief designer along with those who worked on this master piece after destroying all of Blueprints have comitted suicide due to sheer amount of shame they felt after witnessing performance of this model.I am sorry to inform you that,you are only buyer of this failed product and you don't enjoy any OEM support.
Man this made me rofl

What are you talking about?
He's talking about bilawal bhutto, benazir is gone and Asif is politically dead as well.
 

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