JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[TOPGUN]

Dazzler bro, is PAF using or plan on using air dispensers in its inventory ?

 

[LKJ86]

 

[TOPGUN]

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LKJ86 bro I take it PAF is using air dispenser in its inventory on the Thunder ?

 

[Basel]

CFT's have much less drag than the under-hung external tanks, besides CFT's don't necessarily have to be mounted above the wings, they can be designed for any suitable place that results in least aerodynamic disturbances. We used under belly "Gondola" on Migs in 70's/80's for additional fuel

Just like F-15's CFT which also serve as weapons pod too.

http://amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/the...5c-eagles-and-conformal-fuel-tanks?source=dam

Yes I remember those on the F6 fighters...like this one:
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They were not very well designed and made, but it was work in right direction.

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Why nose of weapon looked damaged??

 

[Dazzler]

Just like F-15's CFT which also serve as weapons pod too.

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http://amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/the...5c-eagles-and-conformal-fuel-tanks?source=dam



They were not very well designed and made, but it was work in right direction.



Why nose of weapon looked damaged??

It got damaged while being transported.

 

[Tempest II]

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/video-china-intent-on-aesa-radar-upgrades-453452/

China intent on AESA radar upgrades

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• 08 NOVEMBER, 2018
  
• SOURCE: FLIGHTGLOBAL.COM
  
• BY: GREG WALDRON
  
• ZHUHAI

Chinese Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars are in evidence at this year’s Airshow China, both for fighters and a potential carrier capable airborne early warning & control (AEW&C) aircraft.

At its stand, China Electronics Technology Group (CETC) displayed a model of its KLJ-7A AESA radar, which was developed by the Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology (NRIET).

While the KLJ-7A, which appears aimed the Chengdu JF-17, first appeared in 2016, the company also displayed a new AESA set. Unlike the KLJ-7A, which requires a mechanical arm to move the array, the new set is fixed on slanted panel. It also features arrays looking to either side.

In March, Hu Mingchun told the China Daily that the KLJ-7A AESA will be installed on the JF-17.

"Our product will tremendously extend the fighter jet's detection range, giving it a much longer sight that will help it detect the enemy's aircraft before they do, and this is very important because in real combat if you see first, you fire first," says Hu.

AVIC, meanwhile, is promoting what it claims to be the world’s first air-cooled active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar for combat aircraft.

The system was developed by Leihua Electronic Technology Research Institute as an upgrade for existing second and third generation fighters. A company video shows that the type can be quickly installed on the Chengdu JF-17 Thunder.

Other applications could include legacy J-10s in service with the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF).


An AVIC official says the airflow for cooling the radar comes from the aircraft’s environmental control system. This apparently obviates the need for drag-inducing ducting around the aircraft’s nose.

The radar operates in the X band and weighs 145kg. It can detect a fighter-sized target at 170km. It can track 15 targets simultaneously and engage four at the same time. It also has a surface search function. AVIC claims that it has a “strong anti-jamming capability.”

An official with the JF-17 programme said that different AESA options for the JF-17 are being weighed, with no decisions as yet.

In addition, CETC displayed a small model of its KLC-7, a spinning AESA array apparently for use aboard a twin-engined airborne early warning & control (AEW&C) aircraft similar to the Northrop Grumman E-2 Hawkeye.

A video in the CETC stand showed an aircraft equipped with the KLC-7 directing an engagement against a group of enemy fighters that resemble the F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet.

A twin-engined AEW&C could eventually be developed for use aboard China’s planned fleet of aircraft carriers.

CETC also showed what it claims is a model of a prototype quantum radar. Such a radar relies on two streams of entangled photons. One beam is transmitted in the form of microwaves, the other remains in the system – the idler beam. The returned signal is converted back into photons, and a comparison made with the idler beam.

Such a radar would be revolutionary, as it would be able to see low observable aircraft, and be impervious to electromagnetic clutter.

 

[MastanKhan]

Integration and testing a launch are different; friend. There is no clearance to mount raad vs Mirages which have a larger clearance.

Hi,

@denel --- Pakistanis have no concept what integration means---and how much time it takes---.

Even professional Paf officers had no clue what it meant when they dove into the JF17 program---.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Looks like a SCALP type weapon and would be a great addition. Basically avoiding the perilous ADGe that awaits the PAF.

What does ADGe stand for?

It is actually becoming a pretty good package and with the addition of conformal tanks would be a very serious threat in the air to anything coming in.

The current mystery is which configuration of Radar is ending up on the platform. The newly exhibited system looks good on paper but Im interested in whether it’s actually selected or a swashplate system is.

Are conformal fuel tanks being worked on...and will be added further down the road? Or is it just speculation for now?

 

[SQ8]

What does ADGe stand for?

Are conformal fuel tanks being worked on...and will be added further down the road? Or is it just speculation for now?

Air Defence Ground Environment (Surface to air missiles, Anti Air craft guns ,etc)

Speculation- but not without merit.

 

[LKJ86]

Why nose of weapon looked damaged??

 

[denel]

Hi,

@denel --- Pakistanis have no concept what integration means---and how much time it takes---.

Even professional Paf officers had no clue what it meant when they dove into the JF17 program---.

About 12 years ago I wrote here and before that on pakdef.info that it would take 8-10 years to integrate the JF17---.

The actual number that I had in mind was 12 - 15 years for a first time project---. But then I thought---I would be the bu-tt of jokes on these forums---so I said to myself---be conservative and write 8-10 years---or write 5---8 years. So I did---.

I can tell you---that all the superstars on this forum and the other forum who made fun of me---not a single one of them has apologized and accepted the fact---.

There is a brand new aircraft---there are brand new electronic suites---and then there are brand new weapons and weapon systems---.

I really don't think that there is another incidence where a 4th gen aircraft has been produced first time with every option that is brand new---for a country that had the option to purchase an aircraft if it did in a timely manner---a country who had threat of war---.

Your input is appreciated---.

My friend. this is exactly why I hit my head when I see PAF running what is an truly R&D work; they are not engineers, project managers, systems integration specialists, software engineers (I mean having electrical engineering discipline + software development NOT MSCE Designations), Testing .... the list goes one. This is what happens when you have no aeronautical engineers and professional engineers running the end to end show with institutions backing up with endless supply of engineering ideas. When you think like a block head narrow minded AF pilot how can you be thinking of engineering solutions. AF needs to focus on flying and other work; leave the professional engineering/electrical/materials etc to the pros...

 

[Tempest II]

i thought the "eye" got covered by masking tape so they could spray paint the "bomb" for the show. The photo was taken before they removed the tape

 

[LKJ86]

The video of JF-17: https://m.weibo.cn/6111786953/4304352695280860

 

[Thorough Pro]

When there are no aeronautics and avionics industries in the country the only two choices you have are either to continue to rely on foreign countries for equipment at exorbitantly high prices with ridiculous strings or roll up your sleeves and start the work yourself with friends assistance to achieve the short term targets as well as learning, improving and producing better engineers for the long term goals.

Criticism is the easiest thing in the world and every fool can do that and most do, specially the ones who have absolutely no knowledge of the ground realities, constraints, lack of affordable options and limited resources.

When I look at the big undertakings like these, I look at two things, what is achieved and how? In this particular case "how" it was achieved may not be ideal but this was the only option, but "what" is achieved is nothing less than a miracle. PAF has done a great job through PAC and with the help of China and delivered the short term goals within a decade and with flying colours specially when you compare it with our neighbours to the east who have a dedicated organization separate from their air force and it has failed miserably in delivering anything to date.

How it evolves going forward is yet to be seen but if past performance is any indication, I am very confident PAC is going to do great provided they keep getting the essential funding.

My friend. this is exactly why I hit my head when I see PAF running what is an truly R&D work; they are not engineers, project managers, systems integration specialists, software engineers (I mean having electrical engineering discipline + software development NOT MSCE Designations), Testing .... the list goes one. This is what happens when you have no aeronautical engineers and professional engineers running the end to end show with institutions backing up with endless supply of engineering ideas. When you think like a block head narrow minded AF pilot how can you be thinking of engineering solutions. AF needs to focus on flying and other work; leave the professional engineering/electrical/materials etc to the pros...

 

[MastanKhan]

My friend. this is exactly why I hit my head when I see PAF running what is an truly R&D work; they are not engineers, project managers, systems integration specialists, software engineers (I mean having electrical engineering discipline + software development NOT MSCE Designations), Testing .... the list goes one. This is what happens when you have no aeronautical engineers and professional engineers running the end to end show with institutions backing up with endless supply of engineering ideas. When you think like a block head narrow minded AF pilot how can you be thinking of engineering solutions. AF needs to focus on flying and other work; leave the professional engineering/electrical/materials etc to the pros...

Hi,

Indeed there is the reason why other air forces of the world do not build their own aircraft---.