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JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2018-06-17/doc-iheauxvy5371311.shtml

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Sina Military
June 17th 16:18

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Of course, taking into account the fact that the Indian Air Force put forward to the LCA MK1A fighter that is about to start mass production at the end of the project R&D last month, it put forward “smart multi-function display” such as cockpit, “combined interrogator for enemy’s identification” and Improvement requirements such as transponders, digital map generators, and improved radio altimeters, and these new requirements for improvement will undoubtedly delay the scheduled progress of LCA MK1 by 3-4 years. As a result, it seems that the progress of the UTTAM fire control radar trying to catch up with the LCA MK1A is not entirely impossible. It's just not clear if the final LCA MK1 and UTTAM fire-control radars could really come together after the two projects are postponed. Of course, if something goes wrong on the way, everyone will not be surprised. After all, compared to LCA's development process that lasted for more than 30 years, the project's delay time for several years does not seem to be too long.

It is still unknown whether LCA MK1A can be integrated with UTTAM due to a sudden change on the eve of batch production.

The earlier LCA MK1 and UTDAM fire-control radars were delayed after a series of improvement requests led to the project delay, compared to the Yongluo BLOCK3 and its associated KLJ-7A fire-control radar project, which was being advanced by the old rivals. The likelihood of latecomers surpassing is also growing. This is ultimately the result of the dual effects of the Indian Air Force’s modification of its demands on the three quarters and the inefficiency of India’s overall military industry and inefficient scientific systems.

In the final analysis, all this is the bitter fruit of Indian institutional problems.

If you leave the process aside, simply comparing the specific performance of the two fire-control radars KLJ-7A and UTTAM, you will find that the gap between the two technologies is even greater. After all, under the premise of an equal 700 mm head diameter, the KLJ-7A has achieved a level of integration of more than 1200 T/R components and an effective intercept distance of more than 150 km for a 5m2 RCS target. In contrast, the integrated T/R components on UTTAM are only less than 800, and the effective interception distance for 5m2 RCS targets is also more than 100KM. The huge difference between the two parameters also fully demonstrates the two countries The country has a huge gap in radar design and R&D and manufacturing of basic components.

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Xiaolong production line

There is a big gap between LCA and Xiaolong in terms of technical performance, productivity, and reliability. This is the best expression of the gap in national strength between the two countries. (Author's signature: Jenhuan Bear Defense Observer)

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LCA production line

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East Pendulum reported citing NRIET deputy director Wang Hongzhe that the KLJ-7A has a range of 170 km against aerial target with 3m² RCS (radar cross-section) or 200 km against aerial target with 5m² RCS. It can track 15 targets and engage four simultaneously. Though equipped with 1,000 TRMs, it is not known if the KLJ-7A’s TRMs are built from gallium arsenide (GaA) or gallium nitride (GaN).

JF-17s will detect MKIs at about 220-250 km range!
 
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East Pendulum reported citing NRIET deputy director Wang Hongzhe that the KLJ-7A has a range of 170 km against aerial target with 3m² RCS (radar cross-section) or 200 km against aerial target with 5m² RCS. It can track 15 targets and engage four simultaneously. Though equipped with 1,000 TRMs, it is not known if the KLJ-7A’s TRMs are built from gallium arsenide (GaA) or gallium nitride (GaN).

JF-17s will detect MKIs at about 220-250 km range!
That's massive edge ... However, when will JF17 will be able to target the adversary? furthermore, I think then the limitation will mainly be on account of the missile effective range ...
 
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That's massive edge ... However, when will JF17 will be able to target the adversary? furthermore, I think then the limitation will mainly be on account of the missile effective range ...

Remember these are idealized numbers. The picture may be quite different under severe jamming, and when the enemy is actively trying to introduce false positives. The final outcome will depend on how much multi-sensor fusion they are able to achieve.
 
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Real world bvr combat in peer-vs-peer scenario, particularly in close proximity situation of India and Pakistan, will take place at medium range - 20-40 kms. Very long ranges may be relevant in a small minority of engagements.

This is why it is very important for Azm to have good high altitude maneuverability and supercruise capability, so it can engage and disengage more freely.
 
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Real world bvr combat in peer-vs-peer scenario, particularly in close proximity situation of India and Pakistan, will take place at medium range - 20-40 kms. Very long ranges may be relevant in a small minority of engagements.

This is why it is very important for Azm to have good high altitude maneuverability and supercruise capability, so it can engage and disengage more freely.
Think about this ,
9:40 am , 4 su30 accompanying 5 jaguars take off 300 km from Lahore ( picked up by AWACS)
9:50 4 JF17 blk 3 fly off from peshawer armed with long range bvr
Now think about when the bvr would fly
 
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Think about this ,
9:40 am , 4 su30 accompanying 5 jaguars take off 300 km from Lahore ( picked up by AWACS)
9:50 4 JF17 blk 3 fly off from peshawer armed with long range bvr
Now think about when the bvr would fly

Early warning will change strategy(how to engage) but don't expect them to fire at maximum range unless you want them to close in the distance or force other to disengage.
& Jf-17 will fly from Forward bases so very little chance of firing missile at max range.
 
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If a 5m2 target can be detected at 200 kms, using rule of thumb, 0.05 m2 target (F-22) will be detected at 50 km. However, the issue is more complex. GaN radar sets (which we can assume this to be), can be configured for cleaner beams and more efficient noise cancellation, meaning, holding other things constant, they can more easily detect smaller RCS aircraft.

This means that actual range of a mature GaN radar KLJ-7A, against an F-22 would probably be 60< km.
 
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If a 5m2 target can be detected at 200 kms, using rule of thumb, 0.05 m2 target (F-22) will be detected at 50 km. However, the issue is more complex. GaN radar sets (which we can assume this to be), can be configured for cleaner beams and more efficient noise cancellation, meaning, holding other things constant, they can more easily detect smaller RCS aircraft.

This means that actual range of a mature GaN radar KLJ-7A, against an F-22 would probably be 60< km.
Are you sure its GaN based ?

Furthermore, detection range and lock ranges are different so by the time JF17 able to detect F22, F22 will most probably have a lock and at the time when thunder will be able to lock on to F22, thunder would be about to be hit ...

Its better to avoid comparing light weight 4+ generation jet with heavy 5+ generation jet
 
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that means f22 at 30 to 40 km that is good.
The 30-40km range has been around for a few years.
If a 5m2 target can be detected at 200 kms, using rule of thumb, 0.05 m2 target (F-22) will be detected at 50 km. However, the issue is more complex. GaN radar sets (which we can assume this to be), can be configured for cleaner beams and more efficient noise cancellation, meaning, holding other things constant, they can more easily detect smaller RCS aircraft.

This means that actual range of a mature GaN radar KLJ-7A, against an F-22 would probably be 60< km.
A 30-40km range has been around for a few years.
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