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Sir, there is no way DAS or such systems will be incorporated in JF-17, the current or the future blocks. JF-17 will have its own particular role in PAF. When we can get hold of these advanced technologies that will be in form of a proper separate fifth generation fighter. If we try to upgrade the JF to that level it will KILL the ideology behind this plane, not something PAC will be looking to do.Bro,
There was a reason behind asking about DAS and the future upgrades that could possibly be incorporated from the J-20. Any ways we should leave it here...
As far as Nishan is concerned I found him to be very stupid and idiotic person when he was active. I have been a visitor on this web site from 2004-05,though decided to join after 10 yrs when I could contribute.
In my opinion if PAF has to incorporate and invest $1 bil or more to enhance JF-17 they should opt for TFX as that would give them almost all the things you are suggesting.
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Surely we do not know the costs for sure but they are supposed to be in region of 35 mil with all these suggested upgrades. The thing is when you are building the plane at home and in number, the cost is not going to increase that much rapidly with ever technological advancement as it would if you are buying from export market.Can anyone tell me, if PAC made modifications on block 3 version like AESA, IFR & some other necessary changes that enhance the capability of JF-17 to 4.5 generation level then what will be the unit cost of Block 3 estimated? If all these modifications cost too much then PAF can also consider J-10B procurement.
Sir, there is no way DAS or such systems will be incorporated in JF-17, the current or the future blocks. JF-17 will have its own particular role in PAF. When we can get hold of these advanced technologies that will be in form of a proper separate fifth generation fighter. If we try to upgrade the JF to that level it will KILL the ideology behind this plane, not something PAC will be looking to do.
I wont comment about Nishan, however i am extremely sorry to say that your ambitions are not far off either
Mixing JFT future with some fifth generation fighter jet program, that is now how it will work. At best, we may see a radar INSPIRED by the radar of J31, based on that, not actually that same radar, some EW suits and that is about it. The actual upgrades that PAC seem to be looking at and what looks most sensible are the ones that will keep JFT is this same league it is now but will improve its performance in this. We are not going to make a stealth fighter out of JF-17 despite all the wishes. PAF want to keep the number up and JFT is planned to be inducted in numbers, something we wont be able to do with fifth generation fighters.
Anyway, this is a debate i feel will never come to a conclusion despite all the evidence and opinions present there.
Hi,
Thank you for the post-----. The beauty of a Toyota Corolla is that it is what it was designed for----that is where it will stay---it will never become a Toyota Camry or a Toyota Avalon-----.
Like the F16---it is what it is------there is no stealth version of F 16-----it has a stair step increment of technology---but other than that---the plane is the same.
Hi,
Well here is the thing that is different now than what it was when F 16 was born was technology-----. The F 16 changed with the changing technology----okay----the thing is that the technology for conventional 4 and 4.5 gen. aircraft has reached close to its peak.
With the current Aesa radar and electronics warfare packages that are available now-----a few years down the road---the difference in tech may be capped and will not be as great as the F 16 A B to the Blk 52---because we are very close to the peak of the technology plateau for these 4 and 4.5 gen aircraft.
Were the change will occur in is the air to air bvr missiles----off bore site missile----jammers--engine some what---anti radar paint-----.
So---basically the Blk 3 would be the 10 year package unless there is a drastic break through in technology.
@Arsalan
To do all those things----we know that aircraft is called J 31.
it isn't required toI have a point ,Will JF-17 will be as effective in 2030 with advent of 5th Gen fighter flying like bees
The roles would have changed... Even now JF-17 is designed to be an aircraft that can deny India any Air Superiority over Pakistan. For this particular role the aircraft would be made in numbers and would also be updated till a replacement is not attained.I have a point ,Will JF-17 will be as effective in 2030 with advent of 5th Gen fighter flying like bees
In the Jf-17's target markets and likely wars, what percentage of planes will be 5th Gen? It is competing with Gripen, F-16, Mig-29, Teas and KIA FA-50. It will largely be competing with these anyway. Should it find itself against higher order fighters, the military planners involved will have failed or found themselves in the wrong league.I have a point ,Will JF-17 will be as effective in 2030 with advent of 5th Gen fighter flying like bees